Advanced User. Arimidex EXTREME JOINT PAIN! HELP!

[Wayacrucis]

Hey guys.I've been a member here for a couple of heres and have been cycling since. I'm currently on 1000mg Test E/Week, + 400mg Tren ace EW. Ever since I started using Adex maybe a year ago, I've been having extreme pain in my elbows during tricep work. It's so bad that I'll spend 2-3 minutes doing 30-40 reps with cable pushdowns to warm them up. Subsequently, I'll do 4 sets of Cable push down with medium weight for 10-12 reps and AFTER that move on the the heavy overheard extentions and skull crushers.

It still burns like crazy, it's so bad that I can handle around 10 reps easily with 115lbs Dumbell overhead extension and I'll have to stop at reps 5-6 due to the pain. I'm taking 3g EPA/DHA Omega 3 to lubricate joints + 1500mg Glucosamine a day. My adex dose is SO LOW. I take around 0.8m per week on 1g of test. Usuaully 0.5 when I get sensaitive in the nipples, and 0.3 when I'm super bloated. But I've never used over 1mg a week.

SHould I throw in NPP for 50mg on M/W/F for joint support and down my adex to maybe 0.25 Twice a week? Or maybe completely stop Adex and just use Nolva for Gyno and deal with bloat through diet? If I do use Nolva, what is the recommendation. Say my nipples feel sensaitive do I take 20mg? 40mg? Just that day..? how should I go about this.

[DanB]

Id get bloodwork done

[Wayacrucis]

^ To look for what? Estrogen too low? In terms of my gear, I've been using the same lab for around two years and very happy. I'm stronger than ever, super vascular and pretty lean. Sitting at around 220lbs, 6'0, 10% BF.

I forgot to point out. The pain is at it's worst, the day after I take adex. I'm assuming because it dries me out like crazy?

[stpete]

It's not the a-dex. It's the tren. I have the same issues. How long have you been running current cycle? I hope not the entire 3 years.

And you're "warming up" too much w/those issues.

[Wayacrucis]

It's not the a-dex. It's the tren. I have the same issues. How long have you been running current cycle? I hope not the entire 3 years.

And you're "warming up" too much w/those issues.

Def not. I'm going for a 16 week cycle. I was on 750mg Test alone from week 1-8. Week 8-16 Upped the test and started Tren. I've been on Tren for only 4 weeks. My body seems to gain fat and hold water "differently" with tren. People keep asking me If I'm getting ready for a show, because my shoulders/Chest/Arms are very lean + vascular, though I only have visible abs when flexed. I'm eating Approx 4500-5000 Cals a day. Almost all of it is clean.

This is weird, because this is my second time with Tren ace. First time I used Prop and Tren ace, last year for a 8 year bulker and didn't have any joint issues. Maybe it's the low BF + staying very dry? I remember maybe 12-3 months ago I ran a cycle of Sust + Deca and I would literally start warming up with 135lbs with military shoulder press for 20 reps. Now..I have to start with the bar...95lbs...literally 5-10 minutes of warming up on Chest/Tri/Shoulder day. I don't understand how my joints could have taken such toll in a year?

[stpete]

Could be your muscles are growing faster than your tendons/joints can handle.

And i wouldn't suggest using NPP/Deca to help. some people it does, others not so much. Plus, two 19-nors might be too much.

[John Andrew]

I am using letrozole as AI. Joint pain is reducing daily. Aromisin was not available and I do no like Arimadex. I find halh a cap daily is pleanty and will taper off. I also used a lot of Tren. You may just be overtraining! Good luck John

[John Andrew]

Half a 2.50 micro milligram tablet! Sorry

[measuretwicecutonce]

^i would. I've heard people run deca with tren. with deca low 150-300 mostly for joint lube. just make sure you run enough caber/dos/bromo/prami. i have no experience myself. glad to hear u say npp, n not deca. definitely npp>nadrolone. n ya m/w/f dosing would be correct. are you on hgh? some people get joint pain. may want to look into some more joint supplements. besides glucasomine. like chondro or msm. i combo up all 3.

[t-dogg]

Could be your muscles are growing faster than your tendons/joints can handle.

Very good point. Thats also a very good way to get seriously hurt as well.

[Metalject]

This might seem simple but sometimes the answers are very simple. It could be that your joints are hurting because you've been lifting heavy weights for a while now. With or without steroids, AI's or anything else, at some point in time a lot of guys start getting these nagging pains. For me it's my shoulders more so than anything else. My hips bother me too sometimes on leg exercises and my wrist ache. It's just part of lifting and comes with the territory.

A low dose of deca could help you. 100mg/wk is enough to get the healing benefits of nandrolone. It's not going to be fast, but in a few months time it could really make a difference. Plus, it's not going to provide a masking like effect....it'll promote actual healing.

[Wayacrucis]

Thanks for all the input guys. One factor is bothering me though and I'd really appreciate it if anyone could clear it up. I've read that Arimidex causes bone loss/density. Though on almost every source that states this it says that Arimidex causes this to occur due to estrogen levels dropping that of normal. So on 1g of Test, a small dose of 0.5-.8mg of Adex cannot be the culprit of my joint pain correct? Is it worth it for me to switch to nolva for a while?

[Vettester]

Arimidex can indeed be attributed to bone density issues. Nolva won't do anything to sustain or lower your E2 levels. As a SERM, it will only block estrogen at the receptor site. IMO, I think it would be a good time to run labs that include your E2, Vitamin D-3 Hydroxy and Prolactin levels. Make sure to supplement plenty of calcium with vitamin D, and if your vitamin D is low you need to look at dosages at/approx. 5,000iu daily.

I'm more on the HRT side of things here, so I can't say much about your cycle and if it's good/bad/ or indifferent, but we deal with E2 issues all the time over there, and the variables to diagnose and treat this stuff are constant just the same. Your Adex dosage "shouldn't" be all that much, or the "culprit" as you stated, but maybe there's a chance that your E2 has been in the tank for awhile (or been real low), and you've just never been able to rebound to normal levels. 0.5 to 0.8mg isn't a ton, but it might be enough to sustain your current serum level where it's at and keep it from increasing. That's what we call a maintenance dose in the other forum. Again, BW will clear up any fact or fiction on that thought.