Prohormone alternatives to AAS

[KTM114]

Hi,

I was just wondering if anyone had any advice/information/opinions on the supplements/prohormones that are still legal and easy to obtain. Are any of them worth doing? I'm 6'5", 280 lbs, 23 years old and have done multiple prohormone cycles in the past (s-drol, decabolen) so I would like to do something comparably strong. I always used tamox for my pct so let me know if you think I would need to do more. From the reading I have done on this site I know that many of you think that PHs are not worth the risks/side effects but I have never had any issues in the past and I have no idea how to obtain legit AASs and no desire to attempt to find out at this time.

I know this is not an AAS question but I tried elsewhere and got no responses.


Thanks for the help

[Soar]

I would suggest staying away from any PH, they're going to cause more harm then good. At 280 you are already a monster, keep doing what you're doin. AAS with a proper pct, AI and hcg would do you much better. Though you're still a bit young, endocrine system is still doing its thing.

[BBJT200]

Superdrol is easy to get if you know where to look online. The clones, anyway. SD-10, m-drol, etc. They're discontinued but people still auction them. As it was explained to me, they're still legal, but banned. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the legality.

Otherwise...I hear Dimethazene and Methylstenbolone make a pretty badass combination.
look up SuperDmZ 2.0 rx

[BBJT200]

however, AAS are going to be much more predictable in behavior, as well as there is much more information out there about the experiences people have with AAS.

Prohormones are....iffy. I'd run AAS over a PH any day...but I might be tempted to jump start a long ester cycle with superdrol

[Turkish Juicer]

Staying away from PH is the smart thing to do.

Neither the producers nor the governments that have allowed it have a precise knowledge of what PH mechanisms actually are, how they work etc.

PH is sketchy stuff my friend. Stick to a proper AAS cycle and keep estrogen well-managed, you will benefit more and risk less without a doubt.

[stpete]

^^^^ That!

[EINTPIAN17]

have you ever tried m 14? or m m4? or halo 17?

[Buster Brown]

Have tried DMZ and I can tell you that you will be much better off following a solid AAS cycle and Pct in the long run. Alot of the so called pro-hormones that are on the market are compounds that the AAS companies researched years ago and for one reason or another, didn't make the cut.

[BBJT200]

^Good advice. Probably why they are able to sell them legally as dietary supplements. Not enough press to get the FDA to look at them.

[Atomini]

Don't use prohormones. If you're going to use PH, then just go and do straight steroids.

Prohormones are death to your body, guaranteed high amounts of hepatotoxicity. You're better off doing straight steroids than prohormones. Prohormones are basically half-completed chemical structure (OR an anabolic steroid precursor) of various anabolic steroids. Prohormones force your liver to complete the chemical structure of the steroid that you're taking (or through several biochemical steps, convert the precursor into the target final anabolic steroid product), and what this results in is a TON of stress on the liver and your liver values AND LDL (bad) cholesterol will skyrocket far higher than any oral steroid would do. The other issue with prohormones is: there is no way of knowing EXACTLY what the precursor will turn into. 50% of it may turn into ESTROGEN for all you know! Is that what you want? There are reports all over the internet of individuals experiencing absolutely massive Estrogen increases and Estrogen related side effects as a result of prohormone use, far beyond what any conventional anabolic steroid would do. You're better off injecting/ingesting straight hormones into your body than do the prohormone junk.

You also get worse side effects with prohormones and less results than steroids, so to sum it up:

Prohormones = more pronounced side effects and more destruction on your body (especially liver) with questionable gains (sometimes they will be massive, sometimes they will be subpar - this has to do with what I mentioned earlier about not being able to predictwhat the precursor will turn into).

Anabolic steroids = safer and you will get actual gains for your money.

[jfloran]

I tried one cycle of PH's. They work, and I didn't have any sides either. But PH's are not as effective as AAS, they aren't necessarily cheaper, and you can not cycle them as long as you cycle AAS. After doing a bunch of reading, it only makes sense to step up to AAS. It is worth the extra research involved.

From what I have been reading, any PH's that are steal sold legally are not as effective as the ones banned. JTAthelete covered this already!

[redz]

I`m glad I never touched ph's and waited until I was ready and went right to steroids.

[Atomini]

The issue iwth prohormones is that they are unpredictable. Some have been known to provide dramatic results, while others have provided dramatic results that are intermittent with shitty results as well.

Also, please do not confuse prohormones with designer steroids. Many designer steroids have been mistaken or wrongfully labelled as prohormones. Designer steroids are simply that: straight anabolic steroids. The reason why designer compounds were at one point legal is because they were compounds that were never before released, marketed, or even known beyond the R&D archives of many pharmaceutical companies, and therefore these compounds were never listed on the original anabolic steroid control act of 1990. All someone needed to do is dig back into the R&D archives of Searle, Ciba, Syntex, or any of the countless other pharmaceutical corporations and just manufacture it and release it on supplement store shelves. But they are not prohormones. They are often mixed up with prorhomones because they were released at the same time as prohormones.

[KTM114]

Thanks for all the information guys. I guess I will see what I can do on the AAS front and hold off on PHs for now. As a pre-med student I would have to be really dumb to ignore all your warnings. I really appreciate those of you who took the time to explain why and how the PH's are bad in addition to the warnings.

So now another question, Soar mentioned that I am already big at 280......well its not all muscle and part of the reason I liked the PHs I did in the past was that it allowed me to gain size and strength while loosing bodyfat. I always have issues cutting fat without loosing significant size and strength when I lower my calorie intake (while not on any supplements). I work as a commercial fisherman right now and burn massive amounts of calories because of the long hours and hard work so that may be part of it. Also I'm not looking to get ridiculously huge, just looking for a little boost to get some definition while also loosing fat. I assume a low dose cycle of AAS would achieve this goal more effectively than PHs?

[Justhav2p]

You will never get huge from steroids. You will get huge from working out harder then anyone else, eating more then everyone else and genetics.

First cycle you could easily gain muscle and lose fat in a calorie deficit with proper nutrition and PROTIEN! Dont rely on flinging fish for a workout. You need compound movements.

[KTM114]

Well I definitely have the first two, its just the genetics that are a little lacking. (I was severely obese before I started working out to get in shape for high school wrestling when I was 16 and have always been a slow gainer and struggled to kick the last 20 pounds around my stomach). Back in HS and college when I was playing sports I did a lot of powerlifting based workouts so my workouts today are still based on that. The majority of my workouts are based on heavy compound movements. I do almost exclusively free-weights, with maybe one machine exercise per muscle group as an isolation to finish up my workout and have been working out like that for years. My parents did some bodybuilding back in the day so I learned the right way to work out early on.

After my last post i realized that I misspoke slightly. Its really when I restrict (about 3500) my calorie intake and do regular cardio (3-5 miles 4 times a week or so) that I struggle to keep my size and strength while loosing fat. Any suggestions on how to balance my training so I can do a little of both?

[iSwanson]

Well I definitely have the first two, its just the genetics that are a little lacking. (I was severely obese before I started working out to get in shape for high school wrestling when I was 16 and have always been a slow gainer and struggled to kick the last 20 pounds around my stomach). Back in HS and college when I was playing sports I did a lot of powerlifting based workouts so my workouts today are still based on that. The majority of my workouts are based on heavy compound movements. I do almost exclusively free-weights, with maybe one machine exercise per muscle group as an isolation to finish up my workout and have been working out like that for years. My parents did some bodybuilding back in the day so I learned the right way to work out early on.

After my last post i realized that I misspoke slightly. Its really when I restrict (about 3500) my calorie intake and do regular cardio (3-5 miles 4 times a week or so) that I struggle to keep my size and strength while loosing fat. Any suggestions on how to balance my training so I can do a little of both?

That is normally just how it works. You can probably maintain your strength and possibly size while cutting but your gonna have a very hard time gaining size and strength without gaining some body fat.

Your best bet is to make a lifestyle change and do what most have to do to get the body they desire. You can go on a cut now then bulk up until you hit a certain bf% then cut down again then bulk up some more and so on and so fourth. If you do this correctly you will over time get to the body you want. This is what I've done so that I can add strength without gaining massive amounts of fat, and cut without losing massive amounts of muscle. It's a process that you're not gonna be able to do overnight. Find new ways to workout and try new healthy recipes to keep things fun and interesting.

If you look on here most people on here with amazing bodies have 10+ years of training and more importantly have their nutrition down to a T.