Effect of injecting too much oil??

[qscgugcsq]

This morning I injected 1.5cc in my mid delt.

I know it was alot, I didnt know what could happen if too much oil was injected. I was curious and mainly thought to just feel more pain. so I didnt really care.

I noticed that my upper arm up to my mid biceps is way bigger. Looks like a bit of edema.

Almost no pain at the injection site, however the pain is a bit lower on the side of my biceps(the line between biceps and triceps).

Of course my mobility is getting restricted due to the edema and the pain.
Lateral elevation hurt. passive movement is painfree.
horizontal is painfree.
contracting biceps and triceps is painfree.
it hurts to the touch.

It feel like the oil leaked or my delt and went down up to the mid of my arms.

the pain is tolerable if it do not deteriorate during the night I will still train normally.

any Idea on what it is and how to deal with it.

Thanks

[< <Samson> >]

Is it warm?

Sounds very much like a abscess.

[qscgugcsq]

yes a bit

[Cuz]

You say its only been this morning? I don't know could be too soon to tell. usually an infection takes 3-5 days before it starts up.

I thought I had one too but it turned out to be just an irritated injection site. Was pink and a little warm to the touch. It may even be a pocket of oil that has not absorbed yet.

All you can do is report back and keep a check on it for now. HOw many mg's and what compounds? Was needle a 1"? Assuming you used all sterile equipment?

[qscgugcsq]

1" 25g
used test prop 100mg/ml
sterilized the injection site with alcohol pad of course.

has been about 15hours ago.

everything was sterile

has done some subQ with prop.

the small lump under the skin look alike but on my arms its wider and longer.

[MuscleInk]

You say its only been this morning? I don't know could be too soon to tell. usually an infection takes 3-5 days before it starts up.

I thought I had one too but it turned out to be just an irritated injection site. Was pink and a little warm to the touch. It may even be a pocket of oil that has not absorbed yet.

All you can do is report back and keep a check on it for now. HOw many mg's and what compounds? Was needle a 1"? Assuming you used all sterile equipment?

^^^Concentration and type of gear? 1.5ml but what was total volume? As asked above, size of needle may be a factor. Was injection lateral or rear?

I've pushed 2-3ml in delts with no trouble.

[Cuz]

1" 25g
used test prop 100mg/ml
sterilized the injection site with alcohol pad of course.

has been about 15hours ago.

everything was sterile

has done some subQ with prop.

the small lump under the skin look alike but on my arms its wider and longer.

I don't know man, having lumps on your arms does not sound good bro when you are injecting in your mid delt?. Was it your first time into the delts?

[austinite]

Yeah I can do 3 CC in the delt easy. Even better, the lats can hold a ton of oil with no issues.

[qscgugcsq]

^^^Concentration and type of gear? 1.5ml but what was total volume? As asked above, size of needle may be a factor. Was injection lateral or rear?

I've pushed 2-3ml in delts with no trouble.

lateral,

the small lump(i may not use the right word here
..) its more like harder tissu but
similar density than what I had SubQ.

Anyway tonight I cant do anything ill go sleep and tomorrow ill report back.

thanks for help

[qscgugcsq]

I don't know man, having lumps on your arms does not sound good bro when you are injecting in your mid delt?. Was it your first time into the delts?

with oil based. Yes

[MuscleInk]

lateral,

the small lump(i may not use the right word here
..) its more like harder tissu but
similar density than what I had SubQ.

Anyway tonight I cant do anything ill go sleep and tomorrow ill report back.

thanks for help

1 inch is pretty long IMO. I use 1/2 to 5/8 and the latter is plenty long enough.

Moderate heat and Motrin will help currently. Keep an eye on size of lump, hardness, fever, increasing pain, fatigue, nausea, etc. could be trauma, absorption, infection, or others. Next 24-48 hours will be important for assessing problem.

[tdoe11]

If it makes you feel better I am running a prop/npp blend 200mg/ml. EVERY time I pin my delts they swell and get hot for a few days. It hurts so bad I can hardly sleep. About 4 or 5 days post injection I am good. Prop is gnarly sometimes man, also Virgin or less seasoned muscles can really hurt. Good luck, I am going to subscribe and stay up to date.

Tomorrows delt shot will include .75 ml of cotton seed oil. I got my fingers crossed.

[Java Man]

I've put 3cc's in my delts hundreds of times with a 1'' 23g.. I don't think the 1.5cc volume has anything to do with your symptoms.

[qscgugcsq]

1 inch is pretty long IMO. I use 1/2 to 5/8 and the latter is plenty long enough.

Moderate heat and Motrin will help currently. Keep an eye on size of lump, hardness, fever, increasing pain, fatigue, nausea, etc. could be trauma, absorption, infection, or others. Next 24-48 hours will be important for assessing problem.

Agreed but I didnt push the needle to the end. so Its like Ive used 5/8 - .5". the needle wasnt the problem.

the pain has gone down when I move , however, edema is still there and some pain to the touch also.

my delt do not hurt when I press on it, the pain increase considerably when Im pressing on the tendon.
also the pain lost in lenght...

the end of the muscle(the beginning of the tendon) to about the lenth of one third of the humerus.

it feel like it fixing itself. and thats a good news

Ill take some anti-inflammatory and see from their.

thanks for the help.

[qscgugcsq]

I've put 3cc's in my delts hundreds of times with a 1'' 23g.. I don't think the 1.5cc volume has anything to do with your symptoms.

that's good too know Ill keep pinning 1.5cc there then XD

however, what could have caused this??
do not seems to be an infection(appeared way too fast)

maybe an abcess(in this case Im.pretty loss of what to do)

Maybe just irritared(more pain but gonna fixe itself in few days)

their is anything to prevent this, the pain do not really bother me(as long as I can train) but the swelling is annoying...

thanks

[Back In Black]

Prevention? Don't do it.

[qscgugcsq]

Prevention? Don't do it.

would be the best way XD

but last week I used pretty much all the spot I could in my lower body...

Ive got some quality issue with my vial who make it VERY painful.
i wasnt able to inject due to the pain.
I pinned about 12times in three days just to try to inject it...
now my vial is better and injection are normal.(still a bit painfull cause its prop but nothing to worry about).

is their any difference between pinning twice .75ml and once 1.5cc(wanted to do .75ml in each pec). however splitting the pin like this cut me fast of injection site.

Im scared of doing lats and traps, biceps and triceps(if I had too triceps would be my choice but still...)

[Java Man]

would be the best way XD

but last week I used pretty much all the spot I could in my lower body...

Ive got some quality issue with my vial who make it VERY painful.
i wasnt able to inject due to the pain.
I pinned about 12times in three days just to try to inject it...
now my vial is better and injection are normal.(still a bit painfull cause its prop but nothing to worry about).

is their any difference between pinning twice .75ml and once 1.5cc(wanted to do .75ml in each pec). however splitting the pin like this cut me fast of injection site.

Im scared of doing lats and traps, biceps and triceps(if I had too triceps would be my choice but still...)

That part in bold has me confused. What 'issue with the vial that causes pain' are you referring to? Its either sterile or its not. There's no correlation between PIP and how much oil has been removed.from the vial.

I hope those 12 injections in three days weren't a full ml. You were injecting fractions of a ml to equal what would be your scheduled dose, right? What I'm saying is I hope you didn't inject 12ml in 3 days.

An abscess won't form in a few hours. If your vial is contaminated sterilize it or toss it. It's not worth it. As MI said earlier, the 24-48hr period following the injection is important. If it heats up, gets bigger or the pain gets worse, get medical attention.

[qscgugcsq]

That part in bold has me confused. What 'issue with the vial that causes pain' are you referring to? Its either sterile or its not. There's no correlation between PIP and how much oil has been removed.from the vial.

I hope those 12 injections in three days weren't a full ml. You were injecting fractions of a ml to equal what would be your scheduled dose, right? What I'm saying is I hope you didn't inject 12ml in 3 days.

An abscess won't form in a few hours. If your vial is contaminated sterilize it or toss it. It's not worth it. As MI said earlier, the 24-48hr period following the injection is important. If it heats up, gets bigger or the pain gets worse, get medical attention.

Quality issue i'm refering to Very high BA concentration.

Of course I didnt injected 12 ml... I tried to inject every time unsuccessfully, was way too painful.

I switched vial and found one who give me normal pain(like prop should). The very painful one will be trashed. I won't inject that again for sure.

The 12(approx. number) was just putting th eneedle in and trying to push oil in. In all these tries I didn't even manage to do a full ml...

I'm positive even with that issue It was still sterile(no ****ing way anything could have survived at that concentration of BA...)

Like a said, About the same size, same temperature(hard to tell), and less pain. I can now move around easily enough and can even do lateral raise If I wanted too with bearable pain.(I won't do it today for sure though)

[Java Man]

Quality issue i'm refering to Very high BA concentration.

Of course I didnt injected 12 ml... I tried to inject every time unsuccessfully, was way too painful.

I switched vial and found one who give me normal pain(like prop should). The very painful one will be trashed. I won't inject that again for sure.

The 12(approx. number) was just putting th eneedle in and trying to push oil in. In all these tries I didn't even manage to do a full ml...

I'm positive even with that issue It was still sterile(no ****ing way anything could have survived at that concentration of BA...)

Like a said, About the same size, same temperature(hard to tell), and less pain. I can now move around easily enough and can even do lateral raise If I wanted too with bearable pain.(I won't do it today for sure though)

Ohhh ok. Vial issue was ambiguous to me. I misunderstood. high BA makes sense.

[qscgugcsq]

Yeah XD
not my happiest pin

anyway, lets recap.

its not infection nor abcess cause it appeared too fast right??

so what's left? irritated and inflammed injection site?

I take some AINS and wait...??

[qscgugcsq]

For those interested.

About 36h since my pin, Swelling as gone a little down, still hot to the touch and a bit painfull.

I guess that was nothing to.worry about but still want to know what was the cause of it?? Pinned as usual, the only thing who didnt go like usual is the fact that I put 1.5cc in a small muscle...

but most of you agree that wasnt the cause... so im a bit lost.

First pic is my swelling arm, second the normal one.

Have any Idea??

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[Cuz]

Your fine man.

[austinite]

Shave your dang arms, dude

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[bass]

sorry posted in the wrong thread!

[Bonaparte]

I've had this happen several times, generally with a delt or tricep injection.
It's from the oil not staying in the muscle and being carried down the limb by gravity between the muscle and it's fascia, where it absorbs poorly and causes a bunch of pain and inflammation. It always clears up in 5 days.
I just try to avoid pinning anywhere but the glutes if I can. Otherwise, just inject slowly, Z-track if possible, and hope it doesn't happen.

[MuscleInk]

I've had this happen several times, generally with a delt or tricep injection.
It's from the oil not staying in the muscle and being carried down the limb by gravity between the muscle and it's fascia, where it absorbs poorly and causes a bunch of pain and inflammation. It always clears up in 5 days.
I just try to avoid pinning anywhere but the glutes if I can. Otherwise, just inject slowly, Z-track if possible, and hope it doesn't happen.

Good advice. My lateral delts and triceps are my best features and grow easily. I've never had issues with delt IM.

OP, sounds like an inflammatory response that is resolving on its own. Try not to exacerbate the inflammation by squeezing the area or aggressively manipulating it. It should be healed in another 2-3 days.

[qscgugcsq]

I've had this happen several times, generally with a delt or tricep injection.
It's from the oil not staying in the muscle and being carried down the limb by gravity between the muscle and it's fascia, where it absorbs poorly and causes a bunch of pain and inflammation. It always clears up in 5 days.
I just try to avoid pinning anywhere but the glutes if I can. Otherwise, just inject slowly, Z-track if possible, and hope it doesn't happen.

Great info thanks alot!!
I knew that was not much but Im happy to know exactly what it is

[AD]

I've had this happen several times, generally with a delt or tricep injection.
It's from the oil not staying in the muscle and being carried down the limb by gravity between the muscle and it's fascia, where it absorbs poorly and causes a bunch of pain and inflammation. It always clears up in 5 days.

do you mean the oil is between the muscle fiber and the fascia? or is outside the fascia and in the subQ?

I just try to avoid pinning anywhere but the glutes if I can. Otherwise, just inject slowly, Z-track if possible, and hope it doesn't happen.

do you mean z-track the skin? or z-track the fascia?

[Bonaparte]

Double post

[Bonaparte]

do you mean the oil is between the muscle fiber and the fascia? or is outside the fascia and in the subQ?



do you mean z-track the skin? or z-track the fascia?

Probably mainly between the fibers and the myofascial sheath. If it were sub-Q there would be no distinct stopping point, but it always becomes inflamed at the base of the muscle pinned (just above the knee with quads, just above/at the elbow with triceps, and where the delt inserts to the humerus).

And I see what you're getting at with the Z-track thing. lol
I don't bother z-tracking (and yeah, I suppose it won't do much in this case), but it can't hurt.
The main thing would be to inject deeply and slowly.

[AD]

The main thing would be to inject deeply and slowly.

totally agree

[austinite]

The main thing would be to inject deeply and slowly.

That's what she said.

[Java Man]

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[AD]

That's what she said.

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