Test E and Deca

[bungledoona]

need advice on cycle..

12 week cycle of 400mg Nandrolone Deconate and 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week, AI: ??? PCT: ???

I have ran this cycle before and had lots of water rentention but wasnt running an AI or SERM. only had some mild gyno but i knocked that on the head with a little arimadex till it was gone.

basically im unsure on what AI or SERM would be ideal to combat water retention and gyno if it arises, aswell as PCT....also info dosing would be awsome

(please dont lecture me on my age or hammer me about being naive in the past with pct or AI's and SERM's ect, im here to learn, not to be citasized)

Cheers!

[kronik420]

Stats?

[wicked442]

Aromasin at 12.5mg ed. You dont run a serm on cycle,it is for pct. If you can controll estro with ai on cycle that usually keeps gyno away,but have caber on hand for prolactin with that deca.
Clomid in pct at 75/50/50/25. Arom at 12.5 eod starting at week 2 pct for any rebound estro.

[derekkpapa1]

Aromasin at 12.5mg ed. You dont run a serm on cycle,it is for pct. If you can controll estro with ai on cycle that usually keeps gyno away,but have caber on hand for prolactin with that deca.
Clomid in pct at 75/50/50/25. Arom at 12.5 eod starting at week 2 pct for any rebound estro.

not 100% correct as Kronik420 said stats

[clarky.]

Aromasin at 12.5mg ed. You dont run a serm on cycle,it is for pct. If you can controll estro with ai on cycle that usually keeps gyno away,but have caber on hand for prolactin with that deca.
Clomid in pct at 75/50/50/25. Arom at 12.5 eod starting at week 2 pct for any rebound estro.

Don't use this advice op^^^ as kronik said what your stats.

No need for stats you are 23 have a read at this link

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[wicked442]

Whats wrong with my advice? What is your advice?

[derekkpapa1]

Where Is nolva for pct
Where is hcg
Time frames
I agree with caber for prolactin
you are close but not 100%
In the future we want full stats before we input advice, person could be 18yrs 30% bf we don't have idea and we could make thing worse

[clarky.]

Whats wrong with my advice? What is your advice?

A few things.
He is 23

[wicked442]

Where Is nolva for pct Where is hcg Time frames I agree with caber for prolactin you are close but not 100% In the future we want full stats before we input advice, person could be 18yrs 30% bf we don't have idea and we could make thing worse

Nolva after deca is not a good choice. Op said he has ran this cycle before so it doesnt matter how old he is because he is running cycle anyway.

[bungledoona]

what exactly do you mean by stats? bloodwork or?

havent got bloodwork done yet but i will be sorting that out soon

age: 23
height: 5ft11
weight: 85kg at 12 percent body fat

[derekkpapa1]

at your age cycling is not recommend-you had a lot of water retention before because you have no clue what you are doing-get bw done and post it up and we can take it from there.
Your best bet is to eat clean-train hard and learn as much as possible for next year or so.

[bungledoona]

also ive heard that all people react differently to certain AAS, when i ran this cycle last i had no problems with libido or troubles with erections and what not. when i came off i ran an unknown pct that my bodybuilder friend was running with his cycle which was the same as mine but at lager dose. i had no problems with my libido or anything post cycle so im assuming my test didnt shut down for too long. the mild gyno i got was around week 10 and on a scale of 1-10 id say it was about a 2 compared to when i ran tren and prop I was consistantly fighting off gyno and eneded up using letro to kill it.. i dont think ill ever run tren and prop again ... also my gains off deca and test e were much better.

[mauz]

wicked or anyone else whats wrong with running nolva after deca .
sorry not trying to hijack .

[wicked442]

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[MuscleInk]

wicked or anyone else whats wrong with running nolva after deca .
sorry not trying to hijack .

Do you mean nolva to prevent E2 while on cycle with deca? If that's your question, no it's not the best approach. Nolva is a SERM and only blocks E2 receptor coupling but will not prevent the aromatization of testosterone and serum levels of estrogen from rising. During your cycle you should a proper AI to minimize aromatization activity and keep E2 within normal ranges. Elevated E2 poses numerous health risks - far greater than the man boobs everyone is so obsessed with.

Was that the question?

[kelkel]

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Nolva can cause rebound gyno after a prolactin anabolic.

That's completely ridiculous.

[wicked442]

Nolva in pct after deca or tren use is not reccomended. You can use it if you like and let everyone know what happens. I stand by clomid and it has ALWAYS worked well for me.

[MuscleInk]

Interesting. What specific properties are unique to nolva then that it facilitates estrogen rebound that clomid would not?

[wicked442]

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[bungledoona]

I also have read somthing like that in another thread somewhere about prolactin type gyno. i think i was researching Clomid and why people tend to run that with deca instead of nolva.

[Alirezo0o]

need advice on cycle..

12 week cycle of 400mg Nandrolone Deconate and 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week, AI: ??? PCT: ???

I have ran this cycle before and had lots of water rentention but wasnt running an AI or SERM. only had some mild gyno but i knocked that on the head with a little arimadex till it was gone.

basically im unsure on what AI or SERM would be ideal to combat water retention and gyno if it arises, aswell as PCT....also info dosing would be awsome

(please dont lecture me on my age or hammer me about being naive in the past with pct or AI's and SERM's ect, im here to learn, not to be citasized)

Cheers!

I would start out with the AI. Its going to help keep some of the test from converting. I'd just be sure to keep it low. .25mg EOD should be good.

[bungledoona]

Aromasin at 12.5mg ed. You dont run a serm on cycle,it is for pct. If you can controll estro with ai on cycle that usually keeps gyno away,but have caber on hand for prolactin with that deca.
Clomid in pct at 75/50/50/25. Arom at 12.5 eod starting at week 2 pct for any rebound estro.

quick question Wicked, how do you know when to take Cabergoline? do u take it after getting specific sides or?
just curious

[ghettoboyd]

Nolva should not be used aftet a 19-nor because it does not help with prolactin type gyno and can make it worse. I am just going by real life experiences. I know many people that have used nolva after deca,tren and had gyno probs, where as using clomid they and myself had none. Some people say that is not true,but i have seen it first hand. Im not a dr or chemist but i know what works for me. If you can explain it just the opposite i would appreciate it. Not trying to argue just giving my opinion.

fyi bro muscleinc is a doctor and knows far more about this stuff than you so I would listen and learn if he chooses to continue advising in this thread...you will not get any bro science from him, just facts backed up by medical journals/studys...just saying buddy...

[GSXRvi6]

Nolva should not be used aftet a 19-nor because it does not help with prolactin type gyno and can make it worse. I am just going by real life experiences. I know many people that have used nolva after deca,tren and had gyno probs, where as using clomid they and myself had none. Some people say that is not true,but i have seen it first hand. Im not a dr or chemist but i know what works for me. If you can explain it just the opposite i would appreciate it. Not trying to argue just giving my opinion.

I'm using Novla with a 19-nor right now. I am not taking Nolva to control my estrogen or prolactin, I'm taking anastrazole and caber for that. The only way I could see "gyno rebound" is someone using Nolva to prevent gyno but then doing nothing about the circulating estrogen in their bodies, eventually the nolva drops off and you suddenly have all of this free estrogen running around and binding to your breast tissue.

quick question Wicked, how do you know when to take Cabergoline? do u take it after getting specific sides or?
just curious

I take caber starting day 1, there is really no good reason that I know of not to.

[wicked442]

fyi bro muscleinc is a doctor and knows far more about this stuff than you so I would listen and learn if he chooses to continue advising in this thread...you will not get any bro science from him, just facts backed up by medical journals/studys...just saying buddy...

Im not too proud to admit when someone knows more than i do and im not too ignorant to learn. I meant no disrespect and i will take your advice.

[kelkel]

how do you know when to take Cabergoline? do u take it after getting specific sides or?
just curious

You don't need caber if you can control your estrogen. Caber if a safety net, and a nice one at that.

[GSXRvi6]

You don't need caber if you can control your estrogen. Caber if a safety net, and a nice one at that.

Safety net is exactly why I started caber day 1 and it's a good thing I did, blood test showed my AI was doing nothing and my estrogen came back at 336 (max 70) so I'm very very glad I started with caber day 1.

[kelkel]

Safety net is exactly why I started caber day 1 and it's a good thing I did, blood test showed my AI was doing nothing and my estrogen came back at 336 (max 70) so I'm very very glad I started with caber day 1.

Good move! Now, off to find a legit AI!