Growing on as little as poss.

[TheTaxMan]

Not looking to be spoon fed info here, but would rather ask our guys than spend hours reading bullshit online.

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Its always advised if your growing really wel on say for example 500mg test, there is no need for more

Its always about growing on the least amount of supplement as possible.

Does this general rule of thumb apply to our food intake? If ones growing really well on say 3000 calories is there any need to eat more? Or should we just keep ramming as much clean foods in there as possible no matter how much we are growing?

Im asking this if the users goal is to add as much muscle as possible.

[Bio-Active]

Yes if your growing there is no reason for more cals unless your not happy with the results. If you eat more calories then your growth its going to result in more body fat. It also depends on what your doing. The pros over eat during the off season to make sure they do not miss an opportunity to grow but then they have to spend more time dieting off the extra bf.

[NACH3]

To add to what Bio stated... If your growing you'll need to reassess your TDEE. Say your 185lbs and you were eating 2650kcal/day(& I'm just using numbers here that haven't been plugged into an equation)... If you reach 200lbs your going to have to raise the amount(to your new TDEE) just to maintain and a lil more to grow, etc

[TheTaxMan]

Thanks guys that answers my question very well

Whats TDEE mean?

[Bio-Active]

Total daily energy expenditure

[TheTaxMan]

I have an active job
Accoding my iphone health app
It also sees me walk around 5000 steps a days, which is about 4km

Does TDEE mean i need to be eating more to compilment my job or does it mean that my TDEE is good as its stopping me from gaining fat?
Slightly confused here lol

Im gaining weight
Im dropping bodyfat
I have enough energy to get through my day and a good training session in the afternoon/evening

Im all good?

[NACH3]

I have an active job
Accoding my iphone health app
It also sees me walk around 5000 steps a days, which is about 4km

Does TDEE mean i need to be eating more to compilment my job or does it mean that my TDEE is good as its stopping me from gaining fat?
Slightly confused here lol

Im gaining weight
Im dropping bodyfat
I have enough energy to get through my day and a good training session in the afternoon/evening

Im all good?

If your job is active it very well can have an impact on you making up the cals burned from job + training etc not just training/cardio(all three will have an effect) but if your not gaining fat but gaining new tissue than your doing fine(I'd rather take the LBM gains all day over fat/& water then dropping it after...

A simple trick that works for me is just multiplying my weight by 15 and it gives you a pretty good number(not exact but works for me) -- 200x15=3000kcal as your TDEE - but if your burning say 5-800cal then you'd have to make it up during the day... But hey if it's working then stick to it... But it'll probably catch up to you later on....

[TheTaxMan]

I used this and it came back as 2850, seems pretty accurate
TDEE Calculator: Learn Your Total Daily Energy Expenditure

I know ones diet will not bulk and trim forever, i think im trying to fix something thats working here lol.
Maybe it's best to just shut up, keep at it and reassess when im stuck!
I guess its just tough not to want to keep improving.

[NACH3]

I used this and it came back as 2850, seems pretty accurate
TDEE Calculator: Learn Your Total Daily Energy Expenditure

I know ones diet will not bulk and trim forever, i think im trying to fix something thats working here lol.
Maybe it's best to just shut up, keep at it and reassess when im stuck!
I guess its just tough not to want to keep improving.

Don't fix what isn't broke

[Bodacious]

I used this and it came back as 2850, seems pretty accurate
TDEE Calculator: Learn Your Total Daily Energy Expenditure

I know ones diet will not bulk and trim forever, i think im trying to fix something thats working here lol.
Maybe it's best to just shut up, keep at it and reassess when im stuck!
I guess its just tough not to want to keep improving.

Reading everything your saying Taxman I think you answered your self....lol...GL keep up the good work.

[Buster Brown]

I used this and it came back as 2850, seems pretty accurate TDEE Calculator: Learn Your Total Daily Energy Expenditure I know ones diet will not bulk and trim forever, i think im trying to fix something thats working here lol. Maybe it's best to just shut up, keep at it and reassess when im stuck! I guess its just tough not to want to keep improving.

I would just stick with what your doing and don't obsess about the numbers. I found that I did much better hitting my goals when I started added 250 cals or down depending on my goals then when I would go drastic.

[musclestack]

I use the same calculation as NACH, only I use LBM instead of total body weight. So, for me, it would be 215 @ 13%bf = 188(LBM) x 15 = 2,820. I add roughly 6-700 calories to this in order to grow and adjust accordingly as my LBM rises. By now, I don't really need calculations though. Once you have an understanding of how your own body works and how it responds to different quantities of food intake/macro ratios, you'l eventually get a grasp on what works and what doesn't without the need for calculations. I do 'back-check' from time to time though, just to make sure the above calculation remains consistent. It's always pretty close to on point (at least for me).

To answer your question, no, you don't need to keep ramming down 'extra' food. If you're growing nicely without fat gain (or minimal fat gain), there's no need to fix anything. Seems like you have your situation figured out though, and it's working for you. Keep at it!

[< <Samson> >]

No BS - I don't count cals, carbs, fat or pro

Haven't for almost 2 years & I am in the best shape I have ever been - even back on a TRT dose(it's really TRT now @ 200mg a week)

Just eat clean - it takes a while understand what that really means

[ScotchGuard02]

I noticed two major physiological phase changes in my life. The first was when I was about 15 when I noticed puberty. My strength came on and in one year I went from benching 95lbs to 225lbs and gained 20lbs. The second was when I was about 46 when my body metabolism just came to a stand still. I'm pretty fanatical about my eating and I know that my body processed carbs in four hours and a steak in seven hours. At 46, my body processed carbs in 7 hours and a steak in over 12 hours. I could tell my metabolism slowed down by 50%. I had to change my eating regiment at that time. I had to eat the minimum amount to maintain my gains or I will gain fat. So for the last 10 years I've taken on the minimalism philosophy. Take the least amount of AAS to get gains and eat the minimal amount to maintain the gains. I'm just constantly fighting off the fat. The magic bullet against belly fat has been HGH. Taxman, you're young and you have leeway in eating because your body metabolism's still high. It may be a good to get into the habit of eating just what you need.

[TheTaxMan]

Great posts
As always thanks for the advice, much appreciated!

[bermich]

If youre gaining but not gaining fat EAT MORE. Why be comfortable with just OK Why not see if you can increase your gains by eating more. What youre saying is: Im gaining on what Im doing now. Why not see if you can gain more with more. That is the whole purpose of being on a cycle. ALWAYS TRY TO PEAK. Not just go with the flow. My opinion. Im never happy with just doing what gets me by. But I can lose fat easily so what Im saying fits me. 3,000 calories really isnt much food especially on a cycle.

Guess I forgot to ask your goal weight.

[TheTaxMan]

So you saying keep eating until i see fat gain? Then i know thats my limit, and eat just under that?

Currently
204lbs 14%bf

Goal 215-220lbs would be nice, 10-12%bf

[AussieMachine]

Not looking to be spoon fed info here, but would rather ask our guys than spend hours reading bullshit online.

--

Its always advised if your growing really wel on say for example 500mg test, there is no need for more

Its always about growing on the least amount of supplement as possible.

Does this general rule of thumb apply to our food intake? If ones growing really well on say 3000 calories is there any need to eat more? Or should we just keep ramming as much clean foods in there as possible no matter how much we are growing?

Im asking this if the users goal is to add as much muscle as possible.

It will really depends on how massive you want to get mate. Small doses of gear and moderate calories will give you some quality gains that most people would be very happy with.

But if you're trying to be freaky IFBB bodybuilding big, well that's something different

[TheTaxMan]

Nah i think i would like to get slightly passed genetic limit nothing too serious though