For those that run Test without an AI - how is the Libido?

[Late_Starter]

I've seen alot of guys post that they don't run AI sometimes even up to a gram of Test.

If you're one of these guys - do you still feel the raging Libido that comes with a Test cycle even if your Estrogen is a bit high?

I ask because judging high E or low E is hard when they have same symptom of low libido.. Surely low E is more likely to kill libido than high E (as long as Test to E ratio is OK i.e. high Test)?

Personally I'm in week1 of cycle, have pinned Test E 250 twice now, and Test P 100 twice. Anavar 50mg day. HCG have shot once 300IU only.
Feel nothing in terms of Libido..
I took 12.5 Asin on first day, and 6.25 per day after that.. obviously too much.
Bloodwork is expensive here, so I'm only planning to do twice per cycle.

[yesidont]

i never used asin, i always take proviron and when i feel that something is wrong with my nipples i just add 10mg of nolva thats it.
And its to early to see anything

[Mr.BB]

Considering only libido and/or gyno as estrogen side effects is wrong.

High estrogen levels in men contribute to prostate cancer and heart disease which should be the primary reason to use an AI.

[Obs]

I have run test only cycles without AI and still had high libido. Doesnt mean it wasn't damaging me though.

[cousinmuscles]

In my cycle I did not feel my libido go higher and I used an AI. My e2 levels did not even change from pre cycle to mid cycle. Then again my libido can't get higher unless I stop working et.c. and just masturbate.

[songdog]

Back in the early 80s we didnt run a ai but we were running only 250mg test and 40mg Dbol.We were always bloated some had high bp not a good thing.Just beacuse you are having a hard time with your ai doen't mean you should stop using it.You started a cycle without knowing wat you were doing.That happens when people don't know where to look.Now you know so do it right after all it's your body.

[songdog]

In my cycle I did not feel my libido go higher and I used an AI. My e2 levels did not even change from pre cycle to mid cycle. Then again my libido can't get higher unless I stop working et.c. and just masturbate.

I think that's a lil more than we need to know.Remember there are women on this board.

[cousinmuscles]

I think that's a lil more than we need to know.Remember there are women on this board.

I did not mean to be offensive to anyone. I just wanted to point out that libido seems to remain at ones "normal". The first weeks I didn't even use an AI because I thought since my test levels were going up there would not be much aromatization. Still no changes. I think for most people it has more to do with your brain and external factors.

[songdog]

I did not mean to be offensive to anyone. I just wanted to point out that libido seems to remain at ones "normal". The first weeks I didn't even use an AI because I thought since my test levels were going up there would not be much aromatization. Still no changes. I think for most people it has more to do with your brain and external factors.

Didn't take no offence bro just worried about your safety.

[Late_Starter]

Thanks guys so it sounds like no libido issues if my E2 gets a little high.

Sure I know it can be damaging if left too high too long, but Libido is important and so are my joints I don't want to train on dry joints and damage my knees...

Will error on the side of lower AI dose going forward, and have at least a week off AI.

Another question - when judging by bloating - how do you know if the bloat is from Estrogen or coming from something else like Petides/GH? I use mk677 and CJC-1295 for recovery and repair purposes and do somethings get some water retention if it kicks in hard sometimes. I'm assuming water retention looks the same no matter where it's from, but can either be reduced by taking supplements?

[numbere]

Thanks guys so it sounds like no libido issues if my E2 gets a little high.

Sure I know it can be damaging if left too high too long, but Libido is important and so are my joints I don't want to train on dry joints and damage my knees...

Will error on the side of lower AI dose going forward, and have at least a week off AI.

Another question - when judging by bloating - how do you know if the bloat is from Estrogen or coming from something else like Petides/GH? I use mk677 and CJC-1295 for recovery and repair purposes and do somethings get some water retention if it kicks in hard sometimes. I'm assuming water retention looks the same no matter where it's from, but can either be reduced by taking supplements?

Are you implying that taking an AI will lower your libido or negatively affect your joints?

You don't judge your e2 levels by amount of bloat, you have blood work.

Anyone estradiol assay and preferably a sensitive estradiol assay is how you properly judge e2 levels.

[Late_Starter]

Are you implying that taking an AI will lower your libido or negatively affect your joints?

You don't judge your e2 levels by amount of bloat, you have blood work.

Anyone estradiol assay and preferably a sensitive estradiol assay is how you properly judge e2 levels.

Yes definitely implying that. Crashed E can kill libido and make joints creaky. I crashed once before on a HCG & Sarms cycle just by taking a small amount of Aromasin.

As for bloodwork, I already said 3 times per cycle only. Can't do bloodwork every week it would cost a fortune.

[Back In Black]

Your ai will be very hard to judge and your bloodwork hard to read if you are pinning prop initially and then dropping it. Essentially, imo, you are running 3 compounds as your first cycle here. We recommend one compound to start so you know how you react to that compound and how to control the side effects.

[Late_Starter]

Your ai will be very hard to judge and your bloodwork hard to read if you are pinning prop initially and then dropping it. Essentially, imo, you are running 3 compounds as your first cycle here. We recommend one compound to start so you know how you react to that compound and how to control the side effects.

Thanks, you're 100% correct. After reading so much I stuffed up I thought I could handle Kickstart and front-load with Prop due to the research but I was wrong.. Bad idea I learnt the hard way.

Now I'll take it slow with TestE.

I have dropped the Anavar and the Prop. Can always keep the Anavar for another day.

Do you reckon its OK for me to run the Var in the last 2 weeks while I wait for the TestE to taper off before PCT? Or too complicated for managing sides?

[numbere]

Yes definitely implying that. Crashed E can kill libido and make joints creaky. I crashed once before on a HCG & Sarms cycle just by taking a small amount of Aromasin.

As for bloodwork, I already said 3 times per cycle only. Can't do bloodwork every week it would cost a fortune.

It's next to impossible to crash your e2 with aromasin on cycle because it is a very mild AI.

Taking var for only two weeks is a complete waste of money because var needs to me run for longer periods to be effective.

[Late_Starter]

It's next to impossible to crash your e2 with aromasin on cycle because it is a very mild AI.

Even in the first week before Test has built up? I took a full 12.5 tab on the first day..

[numbere]

Even in the first week before Test has built up? I took a full 12.5 tab on the first day..

Test begins to be metabolized immediately after injection.

Just because you don't see body composition changes during the first week exogenous test is still in your system.

Also, it takes about a week for aromasin to reach peak plasma concentration.

This is why it would be in your best interest to begin taking your AI on day one and continue taking it until starting PCT.

[Late_Starter]

Test begins to be metabolized immediately after injection.

Just because you don't see body composition changes during the first week exogenous test is still in your system.

Also, it takes about a week for aromasin to reach peak plasma concentration.

This is why it would be in your best interest to begin taking your AI on day one and continue taking it until starting PCT.

How much Aromasin per day do you recommend for a cycle of 500 Test + HCG, with 16% bodyfat?

[numbere]

How much Aromasin per day do you recommend for a cycle of 500 Test + HCG, with 16% bodyfat?

You should read the thread attached below.

Exemestane-The Underdosed AI