What are your favorite and least favorite products from SHOT Show 2017?

[numbere]

Okay so the 2017 SHOT show recently finished and I'm curious what products stood out to people.

The Taurus Spectrum is a neat .380 and priced right at $300.

I can't believe this product made it to production. What a waste of a Glock 19.

[kelkel]

Lost me when he said "you're going to cut your firearm." Uh, no.

[numbere]

Lost me when he said "you're going to cut your firearm." Uh, no.

Yeah I'm pretty sure Glock makes the model 26 so that you don't have to cut a 19 lol.

[Couchlock]

Okay so the 2017 SHOT show recently finished and I'm curious what products stood out to people.

The Taurus Spectrum is a neat .380 and priced right at $300.

I can't believe this product made it to production. What a waste of a Glock 19.

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3JzRbhhl60

That glock thing is the dumbest ass shit I have ever seen.

Did a retarded 8 year old think it up

Cut a 19 so it takes a 7 shot mag. What the fuck

[numbere]

That glock thing is the dumbest ass shit I have ever seen.

Did a retarded 8 year old think it up

Cut a 19 so it takes a 7 shot mag. What the fuck

It really is a horrible idea.

A Glock 26 is the same height (4.2") and has a 10 shot standard mag.

There's a few new 10mm firearms this year.

Rock Island Armory has a whole 10mm lineup.

Remington came out with a 1911 chambered in 10mm.

[yeahbuddy289]

I think my next hand gun is going to be a 1911. I really want one. Trying to decide what to go with. It's gotta be .45 and I think I want to go with colt. They use to manufacture them for the military correct?

[numbere]

I think my next hand gun is going to be a 1911. I really want one. Trying to decide what to go with. It's gotta be .45 and I think I want to go with colt. They use to manufacture them for the military correct?

For a first 1911 45acp is a good choice.

There were a lot of 1911 manufacturers that supplied the US military.

Just off the top of my head Colt, Springfield Armory, Remington, Singer and Ithaca Firearms.

I'm sure I missed a few.

The newly manufactured 1911s are slightly different than those issued to the military.

Manufacturing process have changed dramatically making the newer guns slightly smaller and lighter.

[Marsoc]

Okay so the 2017 SHOT show recently finished and I'm curious what products stood out to people.

The Taurus Spectrum is a neat .380 and priced right at $300.

I can't believe this product made it to production. What a waste of a Glock 19.

so gay lol..wtf or u can have 15-16 rounds in a normal glock 17 .or,the .40cal I had had a short grip like .. why have a big block lol wether it fit the pocket better or not lol. Who carries a gun in their pocket

[Couchlock]

It really is a horrible idea.

A Glock 26 is the same height (4.2") and has a 10 shot standard mag.

There's a few new 10mm firearms this year.

Rock Island Armory has a whole 10mm lineup.

Remington came out with a 1911 chambered in 10mm.

You got one 1911 in 10mm, you've got them all. I'm not a fan of them. Own a delta elite. But I like my eaa stock 2 10mm better.

I need double stack 10mm. I like the para p16 40 cal double stack 1911. Easy chamber finishing reemer to 10mm.

[Couchlock]

Colt is a poor choice now days for the 1911

Go to ruger sr1911

[numbere]

Colt is a poor choice now days for the 1911

Go to ruger sr1911

Definitely agree about new colts being a poor choice for a 1911, there's so many manufacturers that deliver a better package at the same price range.

I like the WW II issue Remingtons and Colts thought.

The KRISS Vector would be a neat firearm to have chambered in 10mm.

[RaginCajun]

I'm ready for the HPA to pass

I'm looking to get two pistols, one for concealed carry, and the other a threaded barrel for suppressed shooting.

Also in the market for a takedown .22 with a threaded barrel.

[numbere]

I'm ready for the HPA to pass

I'm looking to get two pistols, one for concealed carry, and the other a threaded barrel for suppressed shooting.

Also in the market for a takedown .22 with a threaded barrel.

You may as well get a suppressor now because the HPA will take a year to pass and when it does there will be a huge suppressor shortage until demand meets supply.

Plus, when the HPA passes there's a provision that the ATF will have to reimburse all $200 tax stamps for suppressors going back to October '15.

So you'll get your money back and won't have to wait for manufacturers to increase stock like everyone else.

[almostgone]

You may as well get a suppressor now because the HPA will take a year to pass and when it does there will be a huge suppressor shortage until demand meets supply.

Plus, when the HPA passes there's a provision that the ATF will have to reimburse all $200 tax stamps for suppressors going back to October '15.

So you'll get your money back and won't have to wait for manufacturers to increase stock like everyone else.

Slightly off topic, but I'm waiting to see what extras the Army is requesting on the SIG P320 now that they've been awarded the contract. I'm guessing they want some type of external safety whether it be a grip safety or slide safety? Don't think they'll settle.for a tabbed trigger.
Although, I do love my 1911s and have several different models (Springfield Armory mil-spec 1911A1, Colt Officer's ACP with a reverse guide rod modification, a Sig Ultra Nitron that I absolutely love, and an old Remington Rand mil-spec 191A1; think that's it off the top of my head), I would love to see a striker fired SIG with an external safety. Almost have ordered an Springfield XD with an external safety, but have been holding out to see how the SIG bid played out.
I do love my P220 carry as well, but man that long DA pull on the first shot can be a no-sh!tter if you're shooting a timed run.

Edit: Just got my first look at it and it is an external safety, just wished they had gone back to .45ACP vs. 9mm NATO.

https://www.sigsauer.com/press-relea...un-system-mhs/

Also, I'm guessing SIG learned a lot from their work getting the P250 up and running several years back.

[numbere]

Slightly off topic, but I'm waiting to see what extras the Army is requesting on the SIG P320 now that they've been awarded the contract. I'm guessing they want some type of external safety whether it be a grip safety or slide safety? Don't think they'll settle.for a tabbed trigger.
Although, I do love my 1911s and have several different models (Springfield Armory mil-spec 1911, Colt Officer's ACP with a reverse guide rod modification, a Sig Ultra Nitron that I absolutely love, and an old Remington Rand mil-spec 1911; think that's it off the top of my head), I would live to see a striker fired SIG with an external safety. Almost have ordered an Springfield XD with an external safety, but have been holding out to see how the SIG bid played out.
I do love my P220 carry as well, but man that long DA pull on the first shot can be a no-sh!tter if you're shooting a timed run.

Edit: Just got my first look at it and it is an external safety, just wished they had gone back to .45ACP vs. 9mm NATO.

https://www.sigsauer.com/press-relea...un-system-mhs/

What model is your Remington Rand?

I have one slide type 2 and one slide type 3.

Need a slide type 1 with original finish to complete the collection.

Imo they were the best 1911s ever produced.

Have you shot an XD before?

I have have the first model full size in 9mm.

It has a fantastic stock trigger but prefer a Glock because the XDs have a higher bore hight which increases the level arm and perceived recoil.

Sig makes very nice pistols and I definitely agree that if I was shoot at a person with FMJ ammo I'd rather have 45 apc over 9mm.

Sig stopped producing the p250 when they were awarded that military contract.

[Capebuffalo]

What model is your Remington Rand?

I have one slide type 2 and one slide type 3.

Need a slide type 1 with original finish to complete the collection.

Imo they were the best 1911s ever produced.

Have you shot an XD before?

I have have the first model full size in 9mm.

It has a fantastic stock trigger but prefer a Glock because the XDs have a higher bore hight which increases the level arm and perceived recoil.

Sig makes very nice pistols and I definitely agree that if I was shoot at a person with FMJ ammo I'd rather have 45 apc over 9mm.

Sig stopped producing the p250 when they were awarded that military contract.

If you don't have a Zev trigger in your Glock I highly recommend it. It's the best trigger I've ever owned. The reset is incredible.

[almostgone]

What model is your Remington Rand?

I have one slide type 2 and one slide type 3.

Need a slide type 1 with original finish to complete the collection.

Imo they were the best 1911s ever produced.

Have you shot an XD before?

I have have the first model full size in 9mm.

It has a fantastic stock trigger but prefer a Glock because the XDs have a higher bore hight which increases the level arm and perceived recoil.

Sig makes very nice pistols and I definitely agree that if I was shoot at a person with FMJ ammo I'd rather have 45 apc over 9mm.

Sig stopped producing the p250 when they were awarded that military contract.

The RR is a 1943 model I believe, serial number leads off with 138xxxx. It's one of the few things I have stored in a friends old bank safe at his business. I think it has some collector value, although not tremendous, but the friend that left it to me was virtually family and it has a lot of sentimental value.
Re the XD. Yes sir, I have shot a friend's XD service model in .40 S&W. I have nothing against a .,40, but prefer the lower operating pressure of the .45 ACP. The XD comes very close to the most instinctively aimed pistol I have ever fired. The only thing done to it is my buddy added a Hogue Handall sleeve with finger grooves.
I honestly shoot it better than he does(which royally irks him) and that's why I've been eyeballing the XD with the slide safety. Although it has the small thin grip safety, old habits die hard and when you're used to a slide safety, it becomes instinct to sweep.it down as you present to fire. Also, I carry frequently and just prefer the additional safety that only costs a few tenths of a second to disengage.
Glad SIG dumped the P250. I've fired probably 12-15 of them and there was no sign of the SIG consistency in performance and fit.
LOL, I know I was bitching about my P220 carry earlier, but I will say this she is a workhorse. The recoil wrong is braided wire and looks like a cable off a come-along.. SIG also did well with the Ultra. Its my default warm weather IWB carry.

[ghettoboyd]

i don't own any guns but I am enjoying your conversation about them and learning a bit...ive been thinking about buying one as of late...am I an idiot to not own one?...ive never hunted or had a father so ive never been exposed to any of it...and I live in a very safe state so up until recently it had never crossed my mind due to lack of need...I do feel like less of a man in some ways because of it...so I ask you brothers, am I a pussy?

[almostgone]

i don't own any guns but I am enjoying your conversation about them and learning a bit...ive been thinking about buying one as of late...am I an idiot to not own one?...ive never hunted or had a father so ive never been exposed to any of it...and I live in a very safe state so up until recently it had never crossed my mind due to lack of need...I do feel like less of a man in some ways because of it...so I ask you brothers, am I a pussy?

Absolutley not. Ownership of a firearm doesn't define an individual anymore than non-ownership, IMHO. It's just a choice everyone makes for themselves. If some of your friends are firearm enthusiasts, ask them to take you along one day. Offer to buy a couple.of boxes of ammo or if they're reloaders help them scavenge the brass. I would imagine they would love to have you along. It's always a blast when you can help someone get comfortable with shooting (safely). It will give you the opportunity to find out for yourself.
Also, many ranges offer classes for.those who aren't familiar with ownership/safe operation, and I can almost promise you that you won't be the only male in the class. Another possibility may be a gun shop w/ an indoor range. They generally monitor safety very closely for liability reasons and often have quite a selection of shooters to try out.

[Capebuffalo]

i don't own any guns but I am enjoying your conversation about them and learning a bit...ive been thinking about buying one as of late...am I an idiot to not own one?...ive never hunted or had a father so ive never been exposed to any of it...and I live in a very safe state so up until recently it had never crossed my mind due to lack of need...I do feel like less of a man in some ways because of it...so I ask you brothers, am I a pussy?

Yes you are and you're not an American. No just kidding. Everything AG said above. Go to a gun safety class if you like it take the next course. Try different guns and calibers. I got my first .22 rifle in first grade. So shooting has always been a part of my life. I carry everyday but it's not to feel like a man. It's to protect my family and my property. Things are getting crazy fast in the world. Hey if you like it it's a great hobby.

[almostgone]

Yes you are and you're not an American. No just kidding. Everything AG said above. Go to a gun safety class if you like it take the next course. Try different guns and calibers. I got my first .22 rifle in first grade. So shooting has always been a part of my life. I carry everyday but it's not to feel like a man. It's to protect my family and my property. Things are getting crazy fast in the world. Hey if you like it it's a great hobby.

i don't own any guns but I am enjoying your conversation about them and learning a bit...ive been thinking about buying one as of late...am I an idiot to not own one?...ive never hunted or had a father so ive never been exposed to any of it...and I live in a very safe state so up until recently it had never crossed my mind due to lack of need...I do feel like less of a man in some ways because of it...so I ask you brothers, am I a pussy?

Ghetto, I will warn you that reloading often follows gun ownership if you enjoy shooting. Also, as Cape said, the world is getting crazy fast. LOL, I think of ammo as an alternate currency, just like precious metals, someone skilled in a trade, etc. that you could.use as "money" if needed?

[Capebuffalo]

Ghetto, I will warn you that reloading often follows gun ownership of you enjoy shooting. Also, as Cape said, the world is getting crazy fast. LOL, I think of ammo as an alternate currency, just like precious metals, someone skilled in a trade, etc. that you could.use as "money" if needed?

I was shooting about a 1000 reds a week of 9mm. But could keep it inexpensive with ammoseek.com

[almostgone]

I was shooting about a 1000 reds a week of 9mm. But could keep it inexpensive with ammoseek.com

I was buying from Natchez and Midway in the 500 round boxes of .45 when I couldn't keep my supply at a comfortable level via my own reloading. I prefer to shoot 200 grain lead SWC if I'm just out plinking or practicing runs. However, you can occasionally catch the big boxes of Remington UMC FMJ on sale and I would grab some because their brass is generally very reloadable.
LOL, I'm.not anti-9mm either. Actually have a SIG M-11, a Beretta 92, and a S&W 5906 I acquired somewhere. I'm just a .45 guy at heart.

[numbere]

I was shooting about a 1000 reds a week of 9mm. But could keep it inexpensive with ammoseek.com

If you don't mind reloaded brass check out ammonv dot com.

You can get 1000 rounds of 115gr 9mm for $190 and they have $25 flat rate shipping.

Good night, guys. Again, I enjoyed it, but need to rest up. Want to do some punishment on my calves later on.

It's cool AG we all know you need your beauty sleep.

[numbere]

i don't own any guns but I am enjoying your conversation about them and learning a bit...ive been thinking about buying one as of late...am I an idiot to not own one?...ive never hunted or had a father so ive never been exposed to any of it...and I live in a very safe state so up until recently it had never crossed my mind due to lack of need...I do feel like less of a man in some ways because of it...so I ask you brothers, am I a pussy?

Not a pussy but you are missing out on one of the great personal rights given to Americans.

As mentioned by AG firearms stores with ranges are a great place to learn.

Even if you don't become a firearm owner you should become familiar with the basic handling techniques.

[Couchlock]

Slightly off topic, but I'm waiting to see what extras the Army is requesting on the SIG P320 now that they've been awarded the contract. I'm guessing they want some type of external safety whether it be a grip safety or slide safety? Don't think they'll settle.for a tabbed trigger.
Although, I do love my 1911s and have several different models (Springfield Armory mil-spec 1911A1, Colt Officer's ACP with a reverse guide rod modification, a Sig Ultra Nitron that I absolutely love, and an old Remington Rand mil-spec 191A1; think that's it off the top of my head), I would love to see a striker fired SIG with an external safety. Almost have ordered an Springfield XD with an external safety, but have been holding out to see how the SIG bid played out.
I do love my P220 carry as well, but man that long DA pull on the first shot can be a no-sh!tter if you're shooting a timed run.

Edit: Just got my first look at it and it is an external safety, just wished they had gone back to .45ACP vs. 9mm NATO.

https://www.sigsauer.com/press-relea...un-system-mhs/

Also, I'm guessing SIG learned a lot from their work getting the P250 up and running several years back.

I'm waiting for all the surplus M9A1's to hit the market. Whooo who

[almostgone]

Sh!t! Sorry if I derailed your thread, Numbere. Hopefully I didn't detract from it. You know I have an inherent weakness for.firearms.

[ghettoboyd]

sorry to hijack again but thank you guys for your feedback I agree with you all that I should go check out a gun range /store and go from there...from listening to you guys I have a lot to learn so that would be the safest way to figure out what exactly my wants and needs are and how to use it/them...I just don't ever want to be that guy who couldn't defend his family during a home invasion...and now that no place is safe anymore I feel its time...thanks again...

[numbere]

sorry to hijack again but thank you guys for your feedback I agree with you all that I should go check out a gun range /store and go from there...from listening to you guys I have a lot to learn so that would be the safest way to figure out what exactly my wants and needs are and how to use it/them...I just don't ever want to be that guy who couldn't defend his family during a home invasion...and now that no place is safe anymore I feel its time...thanks again...

You're not hijacking, I created this thread for everyone.

As long as your post is firearm related you're all good.

Firearm ownership isn't for everyone because it's lot of responsibility, but everyone should understand basic firearm safety.

Firearms are kind of like AAS in that if you don't know what you're doing they can be scary and you can easily hurt yourself.

Knowledge is power and it's not difficult to become proficient with a firearm.

If you're going to purchase and keep a firearm in your house then you should probably take your wife or children with you for lessons.

Learning with or teaching someone else firearm manipulation is a great bonding experience.

I've taught every girlfriend I've ever had how to shoot and they all eventually bought their own pistols and got carry licenses.

[ghettoboyd]

You're not hijacking, I created this thread for everyone.

As long as your post is firearm related you're all good.

Firearm ownership isn't for everyone because it's lot of responsibility, but everyone should understand basic firearm safety.

Firearms are kind of like AAS in that if you don't know what you're doing they can be scary and you can easily hurt yourself.

Knowledge is power and it's not difficult to become proficient with a firearm.

If you're going to purchase and keep a firearm in your house then you should probably take your wife or children with you for lessons.

Learning with or teaching someone else firearm manipulation is a great bonding experience.

I've taught every girlfriend I've ever had how to shoot and they all eventually bought their own pistols and got carry licenses.

that's a fantastic idea man getting the family involved thanks again...

[numbere]

that's a fantastic idea man getting the family involved thanks again...

You'd probably want to go by yourself or with your wife first before you bring any kids.

Not that it would be a bad situation just that no man wants to feel or look unsure of himself in front of his kids.

Also, you should call in advance because any please I've ever been that had lessons made you schedule before hand.

[ghettoboyd]

You'd probably want to go by yourself or with your wife first before you bring any kids.

Not that it would be a bad situation just that no man wants to feel or look unsure of himself in front of his kids.

Also, you should call in advance because any please I've ever been that had lessons made you schedule before hand.

thank you for your well though out responses my friend and that goes out to all of you that have taken the time to address my question and not make me feel like an idiot/pussy...you are all good people and class acts...im proud to call you all friends...

[almostgone]

You're not hijacking, I created this thread for everyone.

As long as your post is firearm related you're all good.

Firearm ownership isn't for everyone because it's lot of responsibility, but everyone should understand basic firearm safety.

Firearms are kind of like AAS in that if you don't know what you're doing they can be scary and you can easily hurt yourself.

Knowledge is power and it's not difficult to become proficient with a firearm.

If you're going to purchase and keep a firearm in your house then you should probably take your wife or children with you for lessons.

Learning with or teaching someone else firearm manipulation is a great bonding experience.

I've taught every girlfriend I've ever had how to shoot and they all eventually bought their own pistols and got carry licenses.

In bold above. Very good advice that you will never regret. Safety+familiarity= competence + confidence= effective use in a situation that requires action.

[songdog]

I have never been a hand gun type of guy.I like my 300 Win mag n my 270Wsm they do me right!

[Capebuffalo]

I have never been a hand gun type of guy.I like my 300 Win mag n my 270Wsm they do me right!

I carry my sbr in a backpack to the grocery store.

[almostgone]

I carry my sbr in a backpack to the grocery store.

LOL, I thought I was prepared because I carry a Gerber Strongarm horizontally in the small of my back in addition to a sidearm whenever I'm off work and out rambling around trying to keep tabs on the late night tweakers/meth fueled thieves so they don't steal what little we have.
Glad that when I do drink alcohol, I drink rural made liquor. Really.wouldn't want to get in a ruckus with you over the last 12 pack of beer on a late night last minute beer run.

[Couchlock]

Anytime buddy that's one of the reasons we're all here, to help each other.

FYI it can take 10-14 days for one of their packs to land.

So if you're going to take a course or plan a shooting weekend it's best to plan ahead.

Check out underwood, for high pressure hot as fuck loads across all calibers (but reloaded might prefer their own fireballs)

I use them for my 9x25 Dillon, and 10mm,357 sig.

[numbere]

Check out underwood, for high pressure hot as fuck loads across all calibers (but reloaded might prefer their own fireballs)

I use them for my 9x25 Dillon, and 10mm,357 sig.

They have some hot rounds!

I have a few boxes of their 90gr 9mm 1500fps.

Their 10mm and 357sig loads are impressive at 1700fps.

I use to hunt with a friend who carried a Glock 31 and loaded his his own carry ammo.

He would consistently get 1500fps+ from his 357sig with a few grains of Red Dot.

[Capebuffalo]

They have some hot rounds!

I have a few boxes of their 90gr 9mm 1500fps.

Their 10mm and 357sig loads are impressive at 1700fps.

I use to hunt with a friend who carried a Glock 31 and loaded his his own carry ammo.

He would consistently get 1500fps+ from his 357sig with a few grains of Red Dot.

I hand loaded my .375 H&H for Africa. I had a Nosler Partition 265 gr traveling 2800 ft per second. Remington 700 BDL with the trigger worked by me to .75 lbs. it is a tack driver.

[numbere]

I hand loaded my .375 H&H for Africa. I had a Nosler Partition 265 gr traveling 2800 ft per second. Remington 700 BDL with the trigger worked by me to .75 lbs. it is a tack driver.

Did you hunt in Africa?

0.75lb that's insanely light!!!

I usually put a 3-3½lb pull on the rifles I accurize.