IASP (Super Pharma) HGH - lockjaw?

[BrotherTheresa]

Does anybody have experience with their Hgh in particular? Just started running 4iu ed last week. Couple things I noticed since I started (and not sure how much is true versus just in my head, yet).

I have noticed a bit of lockjaw/tightness/soreness in my jaw, rather quickly after injection. I inject the 4iu all at once first thing in the morning. It eventually subsides within maybe a few hours after and only experience it at 4iu and not at 2iu. It’s not super bothersome but it’s a noticeable sensation.

Noticed a deeper sleep the night I took 4iu before bed, but I since have started just doing it when I wake up and using off the rest of my mk677 (20mg) before bed instead.

Also my current issue with tendonitis seems to be a bit more aggravated along with joint soreness as well. But especially in some preexisting nagging areas like my shoulder and elbow I’ve been rehabbing from an impingement and tendinitis.

Haven’t noticed any bloating or CTS necessarily. Hard to distinguish any possible cts passed the achey joints at this point. Have noticed more vascularity though.

I know real results typically will take 6-12 months but I have been a rather strong hyper responder to anything I’ve taken so unsure if this is par for the course or not. Debating committing to 6months+ after all the scare about fake GH from China (although this is from the Philippines)

Any feedback about the symptoms or source is much appreciated. Does this sound like legit Hgh so far?

I will continue to update here

[Cylon357]

Does anybody have experience with their Hgh in particular? Just started running 4iu ed last week. Couple things I noticed since I started (and not sure how much is true versus just in my head, yet).

I have noticed a bit of lockjaw/tightness/soreness in my jaw, rather quickly after injection. I inject the 4iu all at once first thing in the morning. It eventually subsides within maybe a few hours after and only experience it at 4iu and not at 2iu. It’s not super bothersome but it’s a noticeable sensation.

Noticed a deeper sleep the night I took 4iu before bed, but I since have started just doing it when I wake up and using off the rest of my mk677 (20mg) before bed instead.

Also my current issue with tendonitis seems to be a bit more aggravated along with joint soreness as well. But especially in some preexisting nagging areas like my shoulder and elbow I’ve been rehabbing from an impingement and tendinitis.

Haven’t noticed any bloating or CTS necessarily. Hard to distinguish any possible cts passed the achey joints at this point. Have noticed more vascularity though.

I know real results typically will take 6-12 months but I have been a rather strong hyper responder to anything I’ve taken so unsure if this is par for the course or not. Debating committing to 6months+ after all the scare about fake GH from China (although this is from the Philippines)

Any feedback about the symptoms or source is much appreciated. Does this sound like legit Hgh so far?

I will continue to update here

I have never experienced lockjaw on HGH, but I haven't gone over 2.5iu per day.

I have no experience with that particular brand, either. Personally, I like ZPTropin and have some Paratropin on the way. Eurotropin will do, in a pinch, but it seems to cause me to retain water worse than other brands. I also have some Ace Labs on hand, but haven't run it enough to speak to it well.

[BrotherTheresa]

Starting to be convinced this shit is legit.

Doing my morning routine with injections this morning and right thumb and then hand began going numb just trying to screw on the luer locks.

I am beginning to be concerned about the jaw symptoms though. Afraid this might start forming into an underbite. Feels like a lot of soreness and tightness in my jaw and almost like it’s moving slightly.

Is lowering the dosage going to prevent this from happening entirely or is GH inevitably going to change my facial bone structure regardless?

[Cylon357]

Starting to be convinced this shit is legit.

Doing my morning routine with injections this morning and right thumb and then hand began going numb just trying to screw on the luer locks.

I am beginning to be concerned about the jaw symptoms though. Afraid this might start forming into an underbite. Feels like a lot of soreness and tightness in my jaw and almost like it’s moving slightly.

Is lowering the dosage going to prevent this from happening entirely or is GH inevitably going to change my facial bone structure regardless?

Didn't you say that at 2iu per day you didn't have these problems? If so, stick with that dose, and maybe gradually up the dosage over the course of several weeks. I'm talking do 2iu for 2 weeks, then add .5 iu (total 2.5iu per day) for two more weeks, then another .5 for a total of 3iu per day for 2 weeks, etc. Do this until one of two things occur:
1 - you hit your target dose
2 - you start to have negative sides

Facial bone structure changes occur with large doses (8iu +) over a long time (think years, not weeks or months).

Keep the following formula in mind for everything we do : Risk = dose(compound) x time.

I will speak on this more in a subsequent post.

[Cylon357]

So the formula above is slightly different than what I have said in the past, let me elaborate a bit.

Normally we would simplify down to Risk = dose x time. This works well for a lot of things. Testosterone at 500mg per week for 10 weeks is more risky than 200mg per week for 10 weeks. But it doesn't scale well. For example 500mg per week for 10 weeks is 5000mg of test. That same test spread out over, say, 50 weeks carries almost no risk . That would be 100mg for 50 weeks... that is TRT level for a lot of men and doable for life.

So that simple formula doesn't really work as a comparison of the same dose over a given time, just for as a general guideline.

The second part of the equation that is not accounted for is the compound itself. For example, 500mg of test is far less risky than 500mg of tren. This is inherent in most conversations, but is worth noting. I call it out specifically because there are a lot of people that don't study this thing we do as well as we have here.

So, to further simplify, risk is calculated as the DOSE of a given COMPOUND over TIME. It is worth noting that there is likely a threshold for every compound out there where risk simply doesn't apply. 2.5mg of Anavar per day likely poses zero problems for most people. Likewise, 5 or 10mg tren per week poses no serious health risk for most men. No, neither of these bring any significant benefit, they simply illustrate some of the limitations of the simple risk formula.

In addition, there are likely some compounds that carry tremendous risk at any dose. I can't come up with a PED right off the top of my head, but think any chemo-therapy drug. This type of drug falls to the other end of the category on risk and thus also skews the simple formula.

[BrotherTheresa]

So the formula above is slightly different than what I have said in the past, let me elaborate a bit.

Normally we would simplify down to Risk = dose x time. This works well for a lot of things. Testosterone at 500mg per week for 10 weeks is more risky than 200mg per week for 10 weeks. But it doesn't scale well. For example 500mg per week for 10 weeks is 5000mg of test. That same test spread out over, say, 50 weeks carries almost no risk . That would be 100mg for 50 weeks... that is TRT level for a lot of men and doable for life.

So that simple formula doesn't really work as a comparison of the same dose over a given time, just for as a general guideline.

The second part of the equation that is not accounted for is the compound itself. For example, 500mg of test is far less risky than 500mg of tren. This is inherent in most conversations, but is worth noting. I call it out specifically because there are a lot of people that don't study this thing we do as well as we have here.

So, to further simplify, risk is calculated as the DOSE of a given COMPOUND over TIME. It is worth noting that there is likely a threshold for every compound out there where risk simply doesn't apply. 2.5mg of Anavar per day likely poses zero problems for most people. Likewise, 5 or 10mg tren per week poses no serious health risk for most men. No, neither of these bring any significant benefit, they simply illustrate some of the limitations of the simple risk formula.

In addition, there are likely some compounds that carry tremendous risk at any dose. I can't come up with a PED right off the top of my head, but think any chemo-therapy drug. This type of drug falls to the other end of the category on risk and thus also skews the simple formula.

I hear that- i just started my hrt protocol 2 weeks ago as well. I’m interested in optimizing a low dose long term protocol, so I can continually progress and avoid the yo-yo effect. Big thing I’m interested in was reducing recovery times, overall sense of well being and joint health too.

Current hrt protocol at 200mg test-c, 200mg deca ew (split 2x) and lowered the GH to 2iu ed. The test and deca are pharmaceuticals and everything else will be ugl. I also supplement with 10mg cialis ed and will be adding 20mg mk677 ed (before bed). I only have one weeks left worth of MK.

Still nursing my shoulder injury with full rest and 500mcg bpc157/tb500 blend 2x per day. Will keep this protocol for another 2 weeks before I continue my CrossFit symmetry program again to rebuild shoulder strength prior to going back to full workouts again.

Going to keep it at 2iu ed until cts symptoms subside.

Not sure if I should keep this thread here or move this into a blog entry? I’d like to keep updating it.

[BrotherTheresa]

Update

CTS has dropped a lot since dropping to 2iu ed and not using mk677 anymore. It got very intense there for a minute. Symptoms are still there but tolerable at this dose. Still affects my sleep some.

Do the cts symptoms eventually go away or are they pretty much here to stay forever and I’ll never be able to increase the dosage? Goal was to get to 3.3-4iu range but I don’t think I’ll ever go above 2iu ed if symptoms don’t get any better than they are now.

Also, shipped a vial off to Janoshik for dimer and purity testing. Should have results by end of this week.