41 and 30lbs overweight

[maplewood]

A few questions

1. Is Clen better than Ephedrine and what is going price for Clen?

2. How do I use Clen, and will it work to help me lose weight?

3. What is a simple workout to drop weight fast, and I don't care if I lose some muscle. I was thinking sprints/running and body weight circuit workout

Any help is greatly appreciated!

[Pinnacle]

In Bold

A few questions

1. Is Clen better than Ephedrine and what is going price for Clen?Ephedra IMO

2. How do I use Clen, and will it work to help me lose weight?Research pal.We don't do ppl's homework for them

3. What is a simple workout to drop weight fast, and I don't care if I lose some muscle. I was thinking sprints/running and body weight circuit workoutCardio AM right out of bed on an empty stomach.Late night on empty stomach as well.Cycle your carbs throughout the week(high days/low days)Train hard and with heavy wieght 4-5 days a week.











Any help is greatly appreciated!

~Pinnacle~

[FullMoonHowlingWolf]

A few questions

1. Is Clen better than Ephedrine and what is going price for Clen?

2. How do I use Clen, and will it work to help me lose weight?

3. What is a simple workout to drop weight fast, and I don't care if I lose some muscle. I was thinking sprints/running and body weight circuit workout

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Forget the clen for now. Here is a sure fire and simple way to burn fat if your diet is in order. Upon waking in the morning (do not eat anything) either directly go outside and perform some cardio (brisk walk, bike ride, jog, etc.) or go to the gym if you live close by and do between 20 – 60 minutes of cardio at 60-70% of your Max Heart Rate (MHR). It’s a good idea to start out with 20 minutes and slowly work your way up to 60 minutes. You could also bring some OJ, Gatorade, or PowerAde just incase you start to feel light headed since this will be a shock to your system. Make sure that immediately after performing this cardio you have a PWO shake, to replenish your body. If you still feel that you need a further boost you can use the ECA stack, which is ephedrine, caffeine, and an aspirin. This will aid in the fat burning process. Be careful when using ephedrine as everyone reacts differently to it.

[maplewood]

Do you recommend the cardio everyday? I am trying to lose the weight fast!!

[Grappler13]

Do you recommend the cardio everyday? I am trying to lose the weight fast!!

So you are 30 pounds over weight...whatever that means (I suppose that you mean you;d like to shed 30 pounds of fat. My recommendation is that you get on a proper WEIGHT TRAINING program 1st. Nothing but heavy compound moves. You'll also need to eat lots of clean protien to build the muscle your body will want due to your lifting. For every lb of muscle you put on your body, your body will require (ie burn 50 or so extra calories per day). So one pound of increased muscle mass should equal 300 calories per week that you will burn just going about your daily routine.

If you are 30 lbs overweight, I doubt that you are in any condition to do cardio that will substantively burn fat. You can spend an hour on the treadmill walking and burn 300 calories or you can lift for three hours a week and put muscle on that will eat your fat away by raising your BMR. If you must do cardio at the beginning of your program, I agree that it should be done early on an empty stomache.

Weight lifting will add weight but in a way that rebalances your body with muscle instead of fat. Lift and lift heavy (proper form of course).

[maplewood]

I'm 6' 235 and would like to get to 205, I can jog 3 miles, and am not really fat fat, just want to get body fat down to 10-15%, it's problaby 25% now. I'm not a "body builder" but do have a full on home gym with power rack, safety squat bar, trap bar, pull up rings on chains, dip bars, treadmill, pullup bar, incline decline bench, and lots of other cool stuff............. but really looking for an experts advice on stripping fat off fast, mostly cardio and if a chemical can help I'm all ears.........like I said before I'm cool with laying off the weights for a while as I get the weight down. I'm cool with running, and at this point in life I would rather be able to run 5 miles and knock out 20 pullups than bench 400lbs and squat 500lbs, I'm sort of thinking of joining a basketball league a couple nights a week for the cardio ( much more fun than jogging or bike)

[Grappler13]

I'm 6' 235 and would like to get to 205, I can jog 3 miles, and am not really fat fat, just want to get body fat down to 10-15%, it's problaby 25% now. I'm not a "body builder" but do have a full on home gym with power rack, safety squat bar, trap bar, pull up rings on chains, dip bars, treadmill, pullup bar, incline decline bench, and lots of other cool stuff............. but really looking for an experts advice on stripping fat off fast, mostly cardio and if a chemical can help I'm all ears.........like I said before I'm cool with laying off the weights for a while as I get the weight down. I'm cool with running, and at this point in life I would rather be able to run 5 miles and knock out 20 pullups than bench 400lbs and squat 500lbs, I'm sort of thinking of joining a basketball league a couple nights a week for the cardio ( much more fun than jogging or bike)

January 1, 2006, I weighed 189 at 20%BF. Today, I'm 195 @ 13%. That's 12 pounds of fat loss and 20lb of muscle gained. Granted I wasn't natty but you could achieve half of what I did natty and I didn't do cardio once.

[Teabagger]

I'm sure I'll get flamed by some for this but here goes.....considering your goals you might want to look into kettlebells. You get cardio and resistence in the same workout. It builds functional strength, not size. good luck.

[FullMoonHowlingWolf]

I'm 6' 235 and would like to get to 205, I can jog 3 miles, and am not really fat fat, just want to get body fat down to 10-15%, it's problaby 25% now. I'm not a "body builder" but do have a full on home gym with power rack, safety squat bar, trap bar, pull up rings on chains, dip bars, treadmill, pullup bar, incline decline bench, and lots of other cool stuff............. but really looking for an experts advice on stripping fat off fast, mostly cardio and if a chemical can help I'm all ears.........like I said before I'm cool with laying off the weights for a while as I get the weight down. I'm cool with running, and at this point in life I would rather be able to run 5 miles and knock out 20 pullups than bench 400lbs and squat 500lbs, I'm sort of thinking of joining a basketball league a couple nights a week for the cardio ( much more fun than jogging or bike)

Try doing what I suggested above (cardio/empty stomach) 3-5 times a week and see how that goes. You can increase to 6 days and do the ECA stack if you aren't losing enough. You have to make sure your diet is in check or all will be for not. A little lifting would be good to keep you strong for playing ball, but do that later in the day, not after your empty stomach cardio.

[southpaw26]

diet, diet, diet - diet is everything.what are you eating?you can do all the cardio you want but to loose that weight you are going to have to eat clean! there are several ways of doing this.one good way would be doing carb rotation.if you are interested let me know and i will show you a diet that will make you drop weight very fast!

[MotorBoatin' SOB]

Well if your wanting to lose the weight fast I would do cardio EVERYday. Running/Bikeing, whatever fits your style. What ever makes you sweat.

[almostgone]

Cardio @ 60%-75% of MHR 5 days/week
minimum simple carbs
moderate complex carbs
higher lean protein intake...
..... your calorie intake will have to be less than your calorie expenditure.....

..and get a physical before you start just to play it safe

AG

[AverageJoetoo]

I'm 6' 235 and would like to get to 205, I can jog 3 miles, and am not really fat fat, just want to get body fat down to 10-15%, it's problaby 25% now. I'm not a "body builder" but do have a full on home gym with power rack, safety squat bar, trap bar, pull up rings on chains, dip bars, treadmill, pullup bar, incline decline bench, and lots of other cool stuff............. but really looking for an experts advice on stripping fat off fast, mostly cardio and if a chemical can help I'm all ears.........like I said before I'm cool with laying off the weights for a while as I get the weight down. I'm cool with running, and at this point in life I would rather be able to run 5 miles and knock out 20 pullups than bench 400lbs and squat 500lbs, I'm sort of thinking of joining a basketball league a couple nights a week for the cardio ( much more fun than jogging or bike)

Just wondering how long you have had the "full on home gym", and why you have 30 pounds of extra body fat?? Besides adding the Cardio (which is a staple of losing fat), go to the diet forum and get that in check. You can show your home gym to all your buddies, do all the cardio you want, but if you are still chowing down at McDonald's your just going to be a fat guy on a treadmill.

[kyleb]

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[cyclist2173]

Interesting recommendations. I am a CPT (NASM) and have a BS (nutrition). First off, to lose weight IT DOES NOT MATTER the source of calories (Mcdonalds or Organic Whole Grain yada Yad)...it matters that you put you body into a caloric deficit. However, that being said eating the right foods 8-10 total servings of fruits/veggies per day, lean choices of protein (dairy and meat), along with whole grains and plenty of water is IMPORTANT FOR HEALTH.

Now, I can figure out your BMR if you give me your weight, height, age, and sex (I'll assume you are a man). Once this is determined, I can calculate your caloric expenditure via direct (exercise) and indirect (EPOC) means and figure out a daily caloric goal.

That being said, I would recommend resistance training 3x/week and cardio 5x/week. The best way to determine your recommended training zone for cardio would be to use Karvonens formula in which I would need your age and your resting heart rate (upon waking) to give a reasonable estimate. The best way to determine MHR is via a Stress Test, but this is not convienent for most.

[Steel_Test]

Hey bro forget all the commets above about clen. There is a problem. The resolution to your problem is DNP with proper diet cardio or not. The are several effective ways to incorporate DNP in your lifestyle. I can give you more details just ask?

I have taken and I have trained individuals with the same problem you have. I can show you how to eat and take DNP to where you can get down to 10%bf within 2 months.

Only if you can handle feeling like you have a cold when you are in hell. It will make you HHHHOOOOTTTT. Sweating all the time!

[Bulldog36]

Steel test..very interesting I sent you a PM

[Dustee]

So did I

[almostgone]

..I'll say it ONE time....DNP is not the ideal solution.......


AG

[SwoleCat]

For what it's worth, DNP for this gentleman is a suggestion I view as very irresponsible.

Do w/that what you wish.

~SC~

[SwoleCat]

Do you recommend the cardio everyday? I am trying to lose the weight fast!!

You didn't get fat in a month, u ain't gonna get the ideal body you want in that time-frame either.

Make it your lifestyle and enjoy it, and you have more than enough time.

~SC~

[almostgone]

For what it's worth, DNP for this gentleman is a suggestion I view as very irresponsible.

Do w/that what you wish.

~SC~

[SwoleCat]

First off, to lose weight IT DOES NOT MATTER the source of calories (Mcdonalds or Organic Whole Grain yada Yad)...it matters that you put you body into a caloric deficit.

Funny with a B.S. that you have that view.

My own B.S. on that statement above would be

~SC~

[almostgone]

Funny with a B.S. that you have that view.

My own B.S. on that statement above would be

~SC~

[Dustee]

OK...Nooob question what is DNP?

[cyclist2173]

Funny with a B.S. that you have that view.

My own B.S. on that statement above would be

~SC~

Hopefully, you are joking because the statement I made is a fact. I have seen in many times with HUNDREDS of clients. For example: If you require 2,500 Kcals a days to maintain homeostasis and you only eat three Big Macs per day and drink water YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT. As for your BP, Lipid profile, Vit/Min status, etc; that is a different issue. Case Closed.

[Booz]

OK...Nooob question what is DNP?

dangerouse shit thats wat it is mate..................

[SwoleCat]

Hopefully, you are joking because the statement I made is a fact. I have seen in many times with HUNDREDS of clients. For example: If you require 2,500 Kcals a days to maintain homeostasis and you only eat three Big Macs per day and drink water YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT. As for your BP, Lipid profile, Vit/Min status, etc; that is a different issue. Case Closed.

Yeah, okay....with no regard for body composition or pure health for that matter. You could also eat dog shit and make yourself sick.

Usually those who are wanting to lose weight DO CARE ABOUT what they look like after they diet and such, because they hate how they look now. In order to attain those newer/good/better looks, I'd say it DOES MATTER what they eat and whether it's pure shit or not pure shit.

Under-eating pure shit is still going to make them look like shit. They'll be smaller pieces of shit w/the same shitty body composition.

Didn't know that was relevant to a healthy lifestyle.

Unless you would encourage that type of eating, using such a ridiculous scenario is a non-sequitor.

~SC~

[TADOLFI]

Maplewood - a lot of good info here.

You've gotta make a choice about how you want to approach this.
The quick fix? With drugs, supps, stacks - whatever.
Or the "Change it for Life" approach?

If you choose the quick fix and shed the weight - you'll probably go right back to the same things you were eating before and you will see the weight start to come back.

If you change for life - you'll make more healthy food choices and learn how different things you put in your mouth affect the body.
When the weight comes off you are in a better position to keep it off because you have armed yourself with this knowledge.

You'll struggle at first - but the Bennys at the end are worth it.

And my 2 cents on the DNP - STAY AWAY!

Found this on another website...
DNP or 2,4-Dinitrophenol, (Pronounced: die ni'tro fe' nolz) is an industrial chemical with various applications such as making dyes, wood preservatives, explosives, insect control substances, other chemicals, and as a photographic developer. Sold under several trade names, including Caswell No. 392, Sulfo Black B, and Nitro Kleenup, DNP has recently gained steady popularity as a fat loss tool.

DNP was used in diet pills in the 1930s, but was banned for this use in 1938. Classified as an "uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation," medically, DNP is quite dangerous. You see, the body has no negative feedback system that may deal with overdoses. Specifically, there is no upper limit to the increase in body temperature that may be obtained with DNP's use.

[cyclist2173]

Yeah, okay....with no regard for body composition or pure health for that matter. You could also eat dog shit and make yourself sick.

Usually those who are wanting to lose weight DO CARE ABOUT what they look like after they diet and such, because they hate how they look now. In order to attain those newer/good/better looks, I'd say it DOES MATTER what they eat and whether it's pure shit or not pure shit.

Under-eating pure shit is still going to make them look like shit. They'll be smaller pieces of shit w/the same shitty body composition.

Didn't know that was relevant to a healthy lifestyle.

Unless you would encourage that type of eating, using such a ridiculous scenario is a non-sequitor.

~SC~

Mr Cat.

If you read my first post you will see that I DO NOT recommend eating unhealthy. I just wanted to make a point. Please re-read my first post again and you will see that I said, "eating the right foods (examples)......IS IMPORTANT FOR HEALTH."

In fact, during Spring 2005 semester (Nutrition courses) we had a guest speaker who made a rebuttal to the film "Supersize Me". It was called "Downsize Me". This person was a bodybuilder who ate McDonalds every day and actualy lost weight/body fat. It was quite obvious that the person in "Supersize Me" ate more calories than usual and this is why he gained weight. I defend this film ("Supersize Me"), not as a groundbreaking documentary, but as a postive example of what not to do. Bad eating habits start when your young and this movie hits home with the youth.

With regards to "Downsize Me", I was one of a few people that actually spoke out at the end of the presentation. I asked him about the long term effects of such a diet and the encouragement to follow such a diet. The last thing we need is for kids to say, "He ate Mcdonalds every day and look at what shape he is in". I thought the film was quite an egotistical portrayal of himself and I informed him of my opinion in front of an stunned audience.

Anyhow, you might want to check it out (for entertainment purposes of course).

Take Care.

[*Narkissos*]

Hey bro forget all the commets above about clen. There is a problem. The resolution to your problem is DNP with proper diet cardio or not. The are several effective ways to incorporate DNP in your lifestyle. I can give you more details just ask?

I have taken and I have trained individuals with the same problem you have. I can show you how to eat and take DNP to where you can get down to 10%bf within 2 months.

Only if you can handle feeling like you have a cold when you are in hell. It will make you HHHHOOOOTTTT. Sweating all the time!

This is the most idiotic suggestion i've seen in a while...

Reminds me of something.. IP check

[AverageJoetoo]

Mr Cat.

If you read my first post you will see that I DO NOT recommend eating unhealthy. I just wanted to make a point. Please re-read my first post again and you will see that I said, "eating the right foods (examples)......IS IMPORTANT FOR HEALTH."

In fact, during Spring 2005 semester (Nutrition courses) we had a guest speaker who made a rebuttal to the film "Supersize Me". It was called "Downsize Me". This person was a bodybuilder who ate McDonalds every day and actualy lost weight/body fat. It was quite obvious that the person in "Supersize Me" ate more calories than usual and this is why he gained weight. I defend this film ("Supersize Me"), not as a groundbreaking documentary, but as a postive example of what not to do. Bad eating habits start when your young and this movie hits home with the youth.

With regards to "Downsize Me", I was one of a few people that actually spoke out at the end of the presentation. I asked him about the long term effects of such a diet and the encouragement to follow such a diet. The last thing we need is for kids to say, "He ate Mcdonalds every day and look at what shape he is in". I thought the film was quite an egotistical portrayal of himself and I informed him of my opinion in front of an stunned audience.

Anyhow, you might want to check it out (for entertainment purposes of course).

Take Care.

What well conditioned bodybuilder would introduce fast food into there system. I wish I had known about this McDonald's DownSize Me diet for BodyBuilders, instead of eating all this dog gone skinless chicken, egg whites, oatmeal, yams, and such on this cutting diet.
How about you eat three Big Mac's-a-day for 12 weeks with a good work out routine and cardio and then post before and after pics.

[*Narkissos*]

How about you eat three Big Mac's-a-day for 12 weeks with a good work out routine and cardio and then post before and after pics.

lol...

[Steel_Test]

NARKISOS

Light weight

HaHa your head is bigger that the rest of your body 2012 FUNNY

[Booz]

NARKISOS

Light weight

HaHa your head is bigger that the rest of your body 2012 FUNNY

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[*Narkissos*]

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No worries Booz.. the joker (Steel_Test) probably doesn't even lift weights.

[Myka]

hmm...Im a ban some1

[IBdmfkr]

3 Big macs/day eh? WTF, IP check for Mrsnakes!