still zero sperm count and 4 months clean

**winny100** · 07-03-2002, 07:06 AM

i come of steriods end of febuary and still have zero sperm count.
i only did one shot of deca + 5 tabs of winny a day but for 3 years almost continously. is there any way to help my sperm count i did clomid end of cycle, should i use it again ?
any help would be appreicted i know my cycle was stuped

yours sincerely winny 100

**High Fall** · 07-03-2002, 07:26 AM

Some information that I had ran across on poor semen analysis...

Over 50% of men will have a treatable cause of male factor infertility. These factors include varicoceles (dilated veins in the scrotum) infections, hormonal abnormalities, abnormalities in the seminal fluid, ductal blockages, and difficulties with erections and ejaculation. When these conditions are treated, either through medication (hormones, antibiotics), or surgery (varicocelectomy, vasal reconstruction, repair of a blocked ejaculatory duct) a man will often see a significant improvement in his semen analysis.

If you want more information you can PM me (there is quite a bit of it) and I would be happy to pass it along to you.

HF

**Japan man** · 07-03-2002, 07:34 AM

shit bro! after 3 years you may have become sterile; plan to procreate?

**dizzle** · 07-03-2002, 08:56 AM

Did I read that right? You did 1 shot of deca everyday for 3 years?

**NoLimits** · 07-03-2002, 08:59 AM

I was going to ask the same question! Plus winny everyday, how are your joints? WOW...

**winny100** · 07-03-2002, 10:44 AM

200mg of deca a week 5 winny tabs a day sorry guys

**Nathan** · 07-03-2002, 10:47 AM

You need to talk to a doctor and tell him your situation.

**rangerdudeleads** · 07-03-2002, 10:50 AM

WOW!!!! Im I reading this right, you shot deca and did winny ed for 3 years without stopping, DAMNNnnn thats a long ass cycle bro. You definatly need to talk to your doc and tell him what you told us.

**androplex** · 07-03-2002, 11:37 AM

3 years

Holly flyfish.

Thats about all I would be doing, fishing, after 3 years deca cause my BF would dump me for sure.

How much gains did you make?

**the quest aka ef** · 07-03-2002, 04:18 PM

first of all you need to educate yourself better before you continue to use juice, also i have a few question-

1- you are telling us you used deca at 200mg a week and five tabs of winny a day for 3 years!! I would like to know your winny dose were they 2.5 or 5 mg tabs? also I think you better go to the doctor and get blood work asap you are also proff that the toxic orals are overatted

2- what gains have you made in 3 years, and the last four month how much muscle have you lost and how bad of a crash did you have?

3- last question, how bad did your nuts shrink? ( deca is the most suppersive drug out there), and did you use any hcg during your cycle?

**5minsforfighting** · 07-03-2002, 05:07 PM

Hey bro there was an article in Muscular Development Mag this month about low sperm counts. They did a study and found that men with normal and low sperm counts how took zinc (66mg per day) and folic acid (5mg per day) boosted their sperm counts by 74% .. I would talk with your doc bro .. but i would try using these supplements in the mean time .. couldn't hurt at all ...

**Strutt** · 07-03-2002, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by winny100
i come of steriods end of febuary and still have zero sperm count.
i only did one shot of deca + 5 tabs of winny a day but for 3 years almost continously. is there any way to help my sperm count i did clomid end of cycle, should i use it again ?
any help would be appreicted i know my cycle was stuped

yours sincerely winny 100

I wonder how your hypothalamus has responded after 3 years on cycle...

I WOULD do a blood profile and find out what you are pushing after cycling for 3 years. A test for LH (Lutenizing Hormone) may be a good call, FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hromone) and Total T and Free T.

**diesel21** · 07-03-2002, 09:04 PM

thats crazy.. don't stay on a cycle anywhere near that long. your body needs time to regulate itself.

**djdjdjddjon** · 07-03-2002, 09:22 PM

yah that is long, but the big boys stay on long, why you think their big? dont assume he doesn't know what he's doing, he could very well know. good luck with the sperm thing, hope it works out for ya

dj

**diesel21** · 07-04-2002, 06:37 AM

yeah and all of those big guys are watched by doctors! thats way they can stay on that long.

**jersey juice** · 07-04-2002, 06:47 AM

3 years

Holy testicles Batman!!! Have you tried HCG and clomid together? Go to an endocrinologist.

**CatGrabber** · 07-04-2002, 02:01 PM

3 YEARS! WHY???

**tx_iron** · 07-04-2002, 03:30 PM

k guys heres my next cycle
weeks 1-156
test eth 400
eq 400
let you know the results when im done

**Strutt** · 07-04-2002, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by tx_iron
k guys heres my next cycle
weeks 1-156
test eth 400
eq 400
let you know the results when im done

Don't forget the clomid post-cycle bro!

**gorilla** · 07-04-2002, 08:18 PM

thats some funny shit

**winny100** · 07-05-2002, 02:28 AM

tx thanks for your "understanding" i already said it was stupid. basically
this is a disscusion and i think it could help other people as well as myself.
is not this board about helping each other ?

**Billmister** · 07-05-2002, 03:50 AM

LIsten winny100 first of I am sorry to hear what has happend to you. I am not intending to flame but i really wish you get that fixed out. Go to a doctor. I know if that happend to me i would be really worried about the whole thing. And guys i'm sorry but winny is right, i know taken deca for 3 years is not the right thing, but it's done and you guys should be more supportive then repeating how stupid it was... it solves nothing. HighFall good call on that reply about the facts. I think it helped. I'm sorry i have no knowledge on this matter but it just bothered me to see people repetedly see "for 3 years?", specially on AR. I wish you the best man.. good luck. See a doctor would be my best option

**winny100** · 07-05-2002, 04:27 AM

thank you so far i got blood test results and the doctor said fsh & lh are normal are normal but slightly lower then average

**the quest aka ef** · 07-05-2002, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by winny100
thank you so far i got blood test results and the doctor said fsh & lh are normal are normal but slightly lower then average

well thats good news, i heard proviron can help in production in sperm volume, and it will not suppress natural test fuction so maybe you can look into it. also if you don't mind me asking how old are you and how long have you cycled in the past?

**Strutt** · 07-05-2002, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by winny100
thank you so far i got blood test results and the doctor said fsh & lh are normal are normal but slightly lower then average

Do you know exactly what the reading was? Below average is probably not good. When the doc says its still normal, it would also be normal for a 70 year old man. I am guessing you are rather young.

Unfortunately, there is nothing much an average doctor will do for you.

If LH is low, that means its a pituitary problem. In addition, FSH means the testes aren't up to par as well.

Hopefully you have a knowledable doc who will prescribe you some HCG to kick start your testes again and after go for a couple of months on clomid and some high dose tribulus to wake up the pituitary.

**jersey juice** · 07-05-2002, 05:00 PM

Try an endocrinologist who can do a complete profile on you and tell you what you need to do as well as supervise your progress. You need a specialist, not just your normal doctor. Not flaming bro, but a specialist in hormonal imbalances is what you need.

**tx_iron** · 07-11-2002, 04:21 PM

i was just busting your balls a little, no harm done

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