Newbie with questions.

[NoOneUKnow]

I have been thinking of trying Test 250 to get myself in the shape I want to be in quicker than going naturaly. Due to major changes in my life at the end of last year I have started devoting 3+ hours a day to weight training. Since the first of the year I have dropped over 60lbs, and want to build more muscle. I started taking HGH 2 months ago for a start to this, but with the price, I think something else might be a better choice. I have noticed that my knee (damaged in a dirtbike wreck) is working properly, so I think I will continue with small amounts of HGH just for regrowing cartilidge. But, I have been talked into taking Test 250. From what I have heard from friends who do/ have done it, its a safe starting point and should help me with what I want. But, the amounts I am hearing vary quite a bit. One friend says 4.5cc's a week, and another says no more than 2.5 in a week for a first cycle. Im just trying to see what would be recomended by people who use this stuff and know about it. The guy who recomends 4.5 a week claims to be doing 8cc's a week, and hasnt cycled off in over a year, thus my lack of full trust there. I will also be taking something to prevent gyno and injectable clembuteral. I dont know if stats vary into my doseage, but I am mid 20's, 6'3" and about 215. I was 275+ at the start of the year, and have been working out religiously this year. I also do not intend to let myself go again, as this has taken a lot of work to take care of. I would appreciate any help.

[takedownII]

sounds like you've came along way, so congrats on that.

i don't get how you were "talked into it". if you're not ready or not sure, then wait there is no rush.

you need to do ALOT of research before you jump into this bro and i wouldn't listen to a word your friends say, they sound clueless to me.

2ccs a week is all i would do btw, but i would stick to test e or cyp personally

tkdwnII

[SMAN12b]

Welcome to AR

seems like you really need some MORE research before you JUMP into this.

There are many great threads here that will help you.

Look into and understand PCT first and foremost !!! it is the most important part of ANY cycle.

First cycles are usually recomended to be a single estered Test like Test Enanthate or Cypionate

as it is easier to tell what ONE compound is doing to your body both good and bad instead of something with 4 different esters or using more than one compound and not being able to tell what is giving you bad side effects or not


Basic first cycle is
Test E or C @ 500mgs/week for 10-12 weeks

Two shots of 250mgs each week, one every 3.5 days

PCT would start 14 days after last shot

[NoOneUKnow]

Thanks.

I wasnt exactly talked into it, but seeing crazy results on a few friends sure got my attention. Guy who was in worse shape than me a year ago is huge now. He is the one who recomends the larger dose. The other one, who recomends a smaller dose, claims that you run an initial cycle (one bottle/10cc's) with about double what you would normaly run, then drop down for every cycle after. Claims it gets your body used to the extra test and prevents (reduces) acne and other side effects. First one has awfull acne scars on his back. Second guy, his wife claims he had worse acne when they met in HS, roids never made it bad. First guy has bad mood swings (PMSx10) while second guy didnt have any problems according to friends and family. He also says that if you are starting to notice changes in temper, its time for another injection. He claims most side effects are from not keeping a constant amount in your body. Sounds like he knows more than the other guy, but I wanted to check it out. I have spent a few days looking this site over and didnt see anything on this, but I havent gone back to far. Thanks for the help/advice.

[NoOneUKnow]

Welcome to AR

seems like you really need some MORE research before you JUMP into this.

There are many great threads here that will help you.

Look into and understand PCT first and foremost !!! it is the most important part of ANY cycle.

First cycles are usually recomended to be a single estered Test like Test Enanthate or Cypionate

as it is easier to tell what ONE compound is doing to your body both good and bad instead of something with 4 different esters or using more than one compound and not being able to tell what is giving you bad side effects or not


Basic first cycle is
Test E or C @ 500mgs/week for 10-12 weeks

Two shots of 250mgs each week, one every 3.5 days

PCT would start 14 days after last shot

One thing that has aroused my curiosity is the forms of Test I see on this site. Only thing I hear about from people around here is Test 250 or 400. Never hear about E and C variations. The reason I got on this site was to learn more about this stuff. There are quite a few people doing this around me, but most dont seem to know much about it. I would rather learn from people who know more about it. I have been looking into PCT quite a bit, and its the part that gets me. The guys I have talked to either dont know what it is, or claim that when they got off roids, they started doing a legal version, thus they didnt need to do PCT. I have been spending a few hours a day scanning this site and looking for all the info I can find though. Its way better than asking a few people around me. Thanks for the advice.

[longhorn814]

well youve come to the right place, but you need to be aware that ALOT of people have absolutely NO idea how to cycle steroids correctly. Judging by your threads the people that are telling you about them are cluess. Just b/c they are big, doesnt mean they know how to take them correctly and safely. Eventually their misuse will catch up to them.

There are different types of steroid esters. You should do a search for them. You need to understand them and their half lives so you know when to start your PCT. Commonly for test there is enanthate, cypionate, and propionate. The test 250 you speak of is probably test enanathate and the test 400 is probably a blend of enanthate and propianate. PCT is absolutely a must after any steroid cycle. YOu need to bring back your natural test production as quickly as possible to help keep your gains. If your friends tell you they dont do it, then thats there problem. Wait til they come off and they deflate faster than you can pop a ballon. I suggest keep researching for a while and remember steroids arent magic, if you want to get the most out of them, you need a sound diet too. Head to the diet section on here and do some reading too. Good luck and feel free to post up any questions.

Its always nice seeing someone come here and it actually interested in learning

[scaramouche]

read all about the different tests and other steroids right here is a good starting place http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104

and welcome aboard

[NoOneUKnow]

longhorn814, I am a firm believer in learning what you are doing before you start. I dont want to end up wasting $$$ and ending up in worse shape than I am now. For PCT I read so many conflicting ideas that I have wound up more confused than before. Some people take one thing, but others say its trash, take something else. Ive still got more to figure out before I start, but I have time. Im not doing this to pick up chicks, or anything else, just because its something I want to do. Diet I have been working on, and pretty much have it where I need to be. I cut out all the crap, no sugar, soft drinks, candy, crap like that. 5 meals a day, grilled chicken breasts, sometimes with rice. Taking good supplements, and protein shakes if I cant get a decent meal. Most people that know what Im doing are saying that Ive got it all right. Working on quiting smoking, about done there. I am just hoping to get more results faster. But being as overweight as I was (and still have way more fat than I want) its a slow process.

[NoOneUKnow]

Thanks a lot scaramouche. Ive been reading through there quite a bit lately. Good info.

[Big]

I applaud the fact that you're willing to do the research before you dive in to anything, you will be glad you did.

[NoOneUKnow]

Always better safe than sorry. Ive seen the results of taking this stuff wrong and dont want to deal with it. And Im not a know it all who thinks that I cant do anything wrong.

[takedownII]

sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders. i'm glad to hear that.

stick around for awhile bro, there's alot to learn, you've only touched the tip of the iceberg!

[NoOneUKnow]

Here is what Im thinking of going after. I took some pics so I could see what people thought, good or bad stuff. I noticed that some threads said not to show a lab name so I used paint (yes, I suck at computers) to cover that up. Hope this is Ok to post. Test E 250, Helios (Clenbuterol) and Letrozole. Use the Letro for PCT and run the test 2cc's a week. Ive been told to do the Clen 3 days on, 2 days off, starting at .5cc a day working my way up to 1cc a day. I am still looking around here before I do anything, but I think that I might should stay at .5cc a day on it. Any suggestions? And is this good stuff or not?

[NoOneUKnow]

Thanks takedownII. I really dont want to jack myself up. I make my living with my GSXR on the racetrack, and wouldnt want to get messed up to much to do that.

[NoOneUKnow]

Oh yea, the only thing I have is the clen. I took a pic of my buddies stuff since he has the same source as me. I have more than a dozen friends taking the clen, with results and no problems, so I am going to start it.

[longhorn814]

clen is usually taken for 2 weeks on and then two weeks off..read this about clen

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=23808

As for your PCT, you will need something other than letro, most people dont use letro for PCT as it kills your sex drive..get some nolva/clomid/aromasin

[Titleist]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240
^^That will help you with the Clen. Ask any questions you can't find the answer to in that thread. You have Helios there though, which is injectable Clen with Yohimbine. I have information on that, but I can't post a link from an outside site(against the rules).

You still have a lot more research to do man. No one here will spoon feed you this stuff. You need to read up on different threads and put forth some effort before even thinking about buying anything. As you already know, this isn't something to dive into. With the information available at this board, there is no excuse for ignorance.

Here are a few threads that will help:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265484
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=604
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=14284
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=278759

This PCT has gotten good reviews and you may want to give it a try.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

[NoOneUKnow]

I have been trying to buy Tamox

http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...products_id=43

but the site refuses to take my credit card. Have no idea why, but its pissing me off. Kinda sucks to know that you have a $200,000 limit but cant spend it where you want. Any suggestions there? I have heard that is a good PCT, and I want to have it here before I start anything, but that site is a pain to use. I have looked for syringes there too and not found anything. Any other suggestions? Not supposed to give sources away, but this is all over this site and I still cant use it.