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[decadorabranding]

Hi All. Lots of great info here. I have been hoovering around for a couple months. Learned a lot, but still need to learn some more. Decided it was time to join and get some help with a few things. Motivated by some of "PerfectBeasts" threads...Very nice, excellent Job.

A little about me and some questions I have with help on a cycle.

Im 28
5'8
200
Been lifting weights for 10 years now.

I used steriods once before a few years back, but it was done very improperly. I had not planned or researched at all.
Im trying to pre-plan correctly now and would like some help. And I want to make sure I make it as close to perfect as possible. I dont want to miss anything.

My first cycle a few years back consisted of WinnyV Tabs 50mg for about 6 Weeks EOD with 4Ui HGH injections ED for about 10 Weeks.
I lost a little body weight but nothing significant.


This is what Im planning on doing now, its a familiar cycle to many of you I picked up. I changed a few things. Please correct or advise me with this cycle. I want to make sure my PCT looks good. I want to make sure My balls and think cap are back to normal when Im done. Thanks in Advance.


PRE-CYCLE
WEEK 1: Letrozole 1mg ED
WEEK 2: Letrozole 2mg ED


CYCLE
WEEKS 1-6: Letrozole 2.5mg ED
WEEKS 1-6: Winstrol 50mg EOD
WEEKS 1-6: Trenabol 75mg EOD
WEEKS 1-6: Cytomel(T3) 75mcg ED
WEEKS 1-8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg EOD
WEEKS 1-8: Pregnyl (HCG) 400iu Every 4-5 days
WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF


PCT
WEEK 7: Letrozole 2mg ED
WEEK 8: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid ED
WEEK 9: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid ED
WEEK 10: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid ED

[kfrost06]

I wouldn't recommend starting letro 2 weeks prior, I hate the sides from letro and I also do not use hcg during a cycle. I see no need to use it during a short cycle and never from the get go. For the pct I like to use a AI with the SERMs rather then 1 then the other. Just my opinions, GL!

[outofthebox]

i would have to agree with kfrost, letro before and during? are you predispositioned to gynecomastia? test at 200mg a week is a bit on the light side...personally i would drop the letro until the last week or two of your cycle, and up the test a bit, as far as HCG, thats just preference, do what makes u happy =)

what are your goals here? cutting i hope...

[rabidsquirrel]

i agree with them, also i would run the winny weeks 2-8 instead of 1-6.

[rabidsquirrel]

t3 can be ran longer if u like also

[Kratos]

winny needs to be ed min. You are going a little overboard with the ancilaries. Drop the HCG. Change letro to arimidex unless you have gyno.

[timidator34]

CYCLE
WEEKS 2-8: 50mg Ed (or 100 eod)
WEEKS 1-6: Trenabol 75mg Ed (or 150 eod)
WEEKS 1-8: Testosterone Propionate 100mg eod
WEEKS 1-10: Cytomel(T3) 75-100 mcg ED
WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80,120,160 then drop back down to 80 b4 end of 14 days aka "pyrmid" and take benedryl b4 bed on your weeks off to build up the receptors again for the following weeks when ur back on again..... 14 days ON, 14 days OFF is good

use arimidex on cycle if u are prone to gyno but looking at ur cycle i dont think u will have a problem. and i wouldnt use hcg unless ur balls shrink. and if so start it after last injection of test at 500iu's ed for 2-3 weeks..

PCT
WEEKS 8-10 clomid-100mg ed and nolva at 20mg ed. i really dont think u need 40 ed...

this is just my opinion and hope u can get something out of it..

[timidator34]

by the way the 2-8 is winny i agree with rabid

[timidator34]

by the way the 2-8 is winny i agree with rabid, u could even hold of till week 2 with the tren is is tren acetate..

[decadorabranding]

Excellent, thanks for the quick replys guys. I do have a bit of Gyno and am worried it would get worse. This is why I chose Letrozole in the cycle. Even when I used HGH a few years back I noticed my Gyno getting worse after the first week of use. I will up the TEST to 100mg.


Any recommendations on what to take in the morning or what to take in the afternoon. I know that Clen should be early in the morning or I wont sleep at night. But what about everything else? should I take before I workout or after I workout. I usually workout afternoons/evening times.

Is there a better preference on what to mix together?

And yes my Goal is to Cut..

Thanks Again!

[testisbest]

What's your body fat %? And why all those compounds? Are you very fat? Your first cycle should be something like test with some winny and maybe clen. And definately not tren for your first go.

[testisbest]

Excellent, thanks for the quick replys guys. I do have a bit of Gyno and am worried it would get worse. This is why I chose Letrozole in the cycle. Even when I used HGH a few years back I noticed my Gyno getting worse after the first week of use. I will up the TEST to 100mg.


Any recommendations on what to take in the morning or what to take in the afternoon. I know that Clen should be early in the morning or I wont sleep at night. But what about everything else? should I take before I workout or after I workout. I usually workout afternoons/evening times.

Is there a better preference on what to mix together?

And yes my Goal is to Cut..

Thanks Again!

Again, leave the tren out because you won't sleep on that either. See how you react to other compounds one or two at a time before you go full speed ahead. You gotta crawl before you can walk.

[decadorabranding]

What's your body fat %? And why all those compounds? Are you very fat? Your first cycle should be something like test with some winny and maybe clen. And definately not tren for your first go.

Last time I checked (about 5 months ago) was around 22%

The Reason I combined all those, is to get a maximum out of a cutting cycle. After doing searchs on the forums, I noticed many were using a similar cycle for Max cutting. Also it was one of the available cycle kits that I could purchase with those compounds all in one. And most users seemed to be satisfied with results of the cycle.

[cookiemonstR]

I would avoid Letero if possible, and wouldn't take HCG during a cycle

[decadorabranding]

I just checked again online to see what my current BF% is..
Im at about 19% according to this site