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    The Gay Baby Boom

    -By Edward Lewine

    Using adoption or surrogacy, more homosexual men than ever before are becoming fathers. It's not a novelty—it's a movement. Look for it at a playground near you.

    It was a cold February night in suburban New Jersey when two men and their female friend gathered for an artificial insemination at Marsh Hanson and Jay Wilson's 1870s carriage house, which is decorated in what Hanson calls "Pottery Barn gay." Their friend Piper had arrived that day from Massachusetts with her three daughters in tow. "They're all gorgeous," Hanson says, "which was important to Jay and me. We're vain."

    Hanson, 38, works in IT for a Manhattan law firm. He put some of his sperm in a syringe and gave it to Piper. The following night, Wilson, 37, a record-label executive, repeated the procedure. Afterward they all drove back to Piper's house in Massachusetts, where the two men alternated the process for another three nights. Hanson and Wilson, who were joined in a civil union in October 2007, know another couple who mixed sperm when making their babies. Those men created a genetic cocktail and waited to see which man won the lottery. But Wilson and Hanson decided to take turns. The big moment came each night at around eleven o'clock.

    "We'd hand her the syringe," Hanson recalls. "Then we'd all go to sleep. It wasn't a social event and it wasn't hippie-dippy, with candles and fertility dances. We were kind of straightforward about it."

    While Hanson and Wilson's embryo was being created, similar scenes were unfolding around the country. The stereotypical image of the American gay man—single, fabulous, social, and up for endless anonymous sex—is giving way to a new norm, one that has couples and even unattached gay men settling down to raise children. Statistics are hard to come by, but academics, doctors, lawyers, and gay advocacy groups say that there appears to be a boom in homosexual men having babies. And as with many trends, the increase in gay fathers has afforded its own terminology: the gayby boom.

    "More and more gay men seem to be having babies," says Charlotte J. Patterson, a University of Virginia psychologist who studies gay families.

    "It's definitely happening," says Dan Savage, who writes the syndicated newspaper column "Savage Love" and is himself a gay father (he has a son). "Most of the people I know have adopted, but more and more gay men are opting for surrogacy because it gives you more control, and there are gay men who want that genetic relationship with their children."

    Hanson and Wilson decided on surrogacy after being inspired by another gay couple. "Their surrogate is pregnant with their third child," Hanson says, "and their surrogate is friends with our surrogate." These days in vitro fertilization (IVF) (which involves implanting a lab-fertilized egg in a womb) is particularly popular, and increasingly effective. Joe Taravella, 39, and his partner, Brent, 40, who recently took his last name, used IVF to have their daughter two years ago and then tried it again and had fraternal twins (a boy and a girl) last May. Other couples turn to makeshift approaches like the one Hanson and Wilson used. But all these reproductive methods have some things in common: They're faster than adoption, do't involve persuading social workers that you are fit to be a parent, and allow you to pass your genes along to your children. Agencies and law offices that match potential parents with egg donors and surrogate mothers say they're flooded with gay-male candidates. John Weltman, the founder of Circle Surrogacy in Boston, says he had few gay hopefuls when he opened his doors 12 years ago. Today around 90 percent of his clients are gay.

    Evidence of the gayby boom is everywhere. It isn't just the strollers in gay neighborhoods. Some Halloween parties at lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community centers now brim with gay dads showing off their immaculately costumed progeny. And participants in New York City's Gay Pride Parade have turned down the volume of the music in order to be more accommodating to kids.

    "They're even talking about having a family week on Fire Island this summer," says Ron Poole-Dayan, a marketing consultant who runs a biological-parent support group in Manhattan and has 7-year-old twins with his partner, Gregory Poole-Dayan. "So that tells you something."

    Ten years ago, if you were a gay couple who wanted a baby through in vitro fertilization you were likely to go to Southern California, which embraced IVF early on and has many specialist agencies. Today these clinics are pretty much all over the country.

    And it's not just gay couples who are investigating IVF. Many homosexual men have decided to go it alone, which provides at least one tangible bonus: While single parenthood can be a turnoff on the heterosexual dating scene, being a single gay dad is—there's really no other word for it—hot.

    "In the gay community, having a child as a single man is a sign of assertiveness," Ron Poole-Dayan says. "It's also appealing to know this is a gay man who isn't afraid of commitment." Poole-Dayan says he's seen six out of the seven single gay dads he knows pair off after the births of their children.

    That's what happened to B.J. Holt, 40, a general manager for Broadway stage productions. "I worried about being a single father," Holt says. "But sure enough, as soon as I started the process with a surrogate mother, I met my future partner." Today Holt and his partner, who asked that his name be withheld, are raising Christina, who is 7 months old.

    Darek DeFreece, 36, an investment-banking attorney who lives in the Bay Area, was aware of the possible consequences of being a single father. "I worried about the workload, about having enough time to give to my family and my personal life," he says. But those concerns seemed relatively trivial when he looked at the long term. "It was especially important for me to have children as a single man. I looked at myself in the future, and being a single, older man without kids didn't seem like a desirable place to be." (DeFreece no longer has to worry about being on his own—he and his partner have 9-month-old twins, Jake and Riley Catherine.)

    The difference in experience between older gay men and the new breed has caused something of a generation gap: Men in their twenties and thirties have come of age with the expectation that they can find partners and raise families if they choose to, whereas older men have had to adjust their thinking to the possibility.

    Tom Piskula is 48. He remembers believing as a young man that if he acknowledged he was a homosexual he would have to accept that he was giving up the right to have children. "It was either be gay or have kids," says Piskula, who now shares a home in New Jersey with Jeffrey Lu, 36, and their 20-month-old girls, Ivory and Iris, who were born using Lu?s sperm and a surrogate mother. You can trace the roots of the gay baby boom back to the mid-nineties, when a number of cultural forces came together. The gay-rights struggle had given gay men greater freedom and acceptance, and the aids epidemic had made monogamy more appealing. This translated into the same-sex-marriage movement, which led to the growing prevalence of domestic partnerships, civil unions, and gay marriage.

    The next logical step was fatherhood. Or maybe it was the other way around. "The legal changes helped people feel comfortable about changing their behavior," says the Yale law professor William N. Eskridge Jr., the author of Dishonorable Passions: Sodomy Laws in America, 1861-2003. "Those behavioral changes have helped change the law."

    Not that any of this means it's become easy for gay men to form families. Many states allow some kind of legalized relationship for gays, but only one, Massachusetts, has gay marriage on the books. And there are legal barriers in many states that prevent two unmarried people from adopting the same child. Then there is the time, energy, and sheer cost.

    Marsh Hanson and Jay Wilson were lucky to find their surrogate friend and to be able to inseminate her privately in their home. "Part of the issue for us was financial," Hanson says. "It was the cheapest way to do this." They are in the minority. Most gay men opt for an IVF procedure using an egg from a donor placed in the body of a different woman, who carries the embryo to term. This is called gestational surrogacy and is favored because in some states it gives the carrier no legal rights to the child she gives birth to.

    Melissa Brisman, a New Jersey lawyer who specializes in reproductive law, says it can cost between $60,000 and $150,000 to create a baby through IVF. The parents pay the gestational carrier's medical bills. The fee paid to the carrier is often around $20,000; for carrying twins it can be $3,000 to $5,000 higher. The egg donor typically gets around $8,000 (although it can be less).

    It's been a few months since Hanson and Wilson handed the syringe to their surrogate, and sure enough, Piper is pregnant, although no one knows the sex of the baby or whose sperm did the trick. "At the end of the day we'll be happy whoever the dad is," Hanson says. "But both of us are secretly wanting to have hit the ball out of the park."
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    I wonder if the kid is allowed to talk to the mother that donated the egg

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    As long as they are doing a good job, super!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexed View Post
    I wonder if the kid is allowed to talk to the mother that donated the egg
    It depends on which process they use.

    "Most gay men opt for an IVF procedure using an egg from a donor placed in the body of a different woman, who carries the embryo to term. This is called gestational surrogacy and is favored because in some states it gives the carrier no legal rights to the child she gives birth to."
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    Ever think you'll want a kid Carlos?

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    Every child should have a mother, fathers help but a mother is paramount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    Every child should have a mother, fathers help but a mother is paramount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    Ever think you'll want a kid Carlos?
    I want kids but not as a single parent.
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    Carlos, can you please share the source of this article? I would like to send it to a friend of mine.

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    Great read, thanks Carlos.

    When i am in a long term loving relationship and financially stable i will no doubt be having kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantmoremass View Post
    Carlos, can you please share the source of this article? I would like to send it to a friend of mine.
    http://men.style.com/details/blogs/d...y-bo.html#more
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...m_n_99187.html
    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    Great read, thanks Carlos.

    When i am in a long term loving relationship and financially stable i will no doubt be having kids.
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    I bet gay couples would be good parents, even if only based on the fact that this is something that would have been impossible years ago so they won't take the privilege of parenthood for granted like all the usual shitheads of the world.

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    Great article....I support it...and it makes me happy...if for no more reason than it hopefully aggrivates the living piss out of the religious zealouts that try to tell other people how to live... Excellent!

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    The only negative I predict is possibly some sort of short-term social stigma on the child. It might be pretty rough at school, as this stuff is still pretty new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Act of God View Post
    I bet gay couples would be good parents, even if only based on the fact that this is something that would have been impossible years ago so they won't take the privilege of parenthood for granted like all the usual shitheads of the world.
    From what I've seen that is the case. The people I know tend to spoil the kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    hopefully aggrivates the living piss out of the religious zealouts that try to tell other people how to live... Excellent!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Act of God View Post
    The only negative I predict is possibly some sort of short-term social stigma on the child. It might be pretty rough at school, as this stuff is still pretty new.
    I think it's no different than being a White or Black in an area where you're different. Or being a fat kid. Kids will tease you for being different no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    Great read, thanks Carlos.

    When i am in a long term loving relationship and financially stable i will no doubt be having kids.
    um, can you please explain how exactly your going to have kids? Maybe you can legislate nature and demand men capable of bearing children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Act of God View Post
    I bet gay couples would be good parents, even if only based on the fact that this is something that would have been impossible years ago so they won't take the privilege of parenthood for granted like all the usual shitheads of the world.
    Hangs head in shame in disgust

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    I think it's no different than being a White or Black in an area where you're different. Or being a fat kid. Kids will tease you for being different no matter what.
    Perhaps you explain how a man, sorry 2 men are going to help a young girl reaching purbety? They are going to relate? They will know from experience? Absolutely obsurded and completely selfish. Men are incapable of bearing children for a reason, whether you believe it's God or nature. Giving a child to 2 men to raise may look cute in a hollywood movie but it's a crime to the child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Act of God View Post
    The only negative I predict is possibly some sort of short-term social stigma on the child. It might be pretty rough at school, as this stuff is still pretty new.
    Where did you get this from? Or is it just the staus quo to toss a bone to the liberals, do you think 2 men could replace your mom?

    you think the only down fall is a little teasing, come off it and use that brain you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    um, can you please explain how exactly your going to have kids?
    Obviously it involves doing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    Perhaps you explain how a man, sorry 2 men are going to help a young girl reaching purbety? They are going to relate? They will know from experience? Absolutely obsurded and completely selfish. Men are incapable of bearing children for a reason, whether you believe it's God or nature. Giving a child to 2 men to raise may look cute in a hollywood movie but it's a crime to the child.
    Don't be stupid.

    What about a single father with custody of his children or if his wife died? Are you saying he isn't capable of raising a girl? He should have his girls taken away?

    A child will have female influences. Aunts, grand mothers, close female friends. It's a ridiculous statement on your part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    do you think 2 men could replace your mom?
    I see you're against men having children together. Are you against 2 women having children together? Or is your personal prejudice just against gay men.
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    think about all the gay jokes the kids make at school. now imagine you have two gaymen as parents......this kid is gonna get picked on and beat up and will never even have a chance at popularity. imagine when he gets to highschool....... i am just glad it isnt me, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    Obviously it involves doing this.
    If thats the case I would be a new father everyday, sometimes 2-3x a day. Takes more then that though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    I think it's no different than being a White or Black in an area where you're different. Or being a fat kid. Kids will tease you for being different no matter what.
    Interesting thought...what happens if we notice that the rate of homosexuality of these adopted children to gay couples is significantly higher than compared to children of heterosexual couples?

    That would F sh!t up, big time. I personally still wouldn't care because I'm all about personal freedom but it could really damage the "homosexuality is not a choice" campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    Don't be stupid.

    What about a single father with custody of his children or if his wife died? Are you saying he isn't capable of raising a girl? He should have his girls taken away?

    A child will have female influences. Aunts, grand mothers, close female friends. It's a ridiculous statement on your part.
    So I am being stupid for pointing out the obvious? In every custody case the mother has the side on her and it would take extreme measures for a mother to lose that main custody status, like drugs or mental disorder or a Britney Spears personality.

    A child needs more then an occassional female influence and ignoring this fact and calling my statement ridiculous shows your out of touch with reality on this issue. Seroiusly, do you think 2 guys could replace your mom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    Where did you get this from? Or is it just the staus quo to toss a bone to the liberals, do you think 2 men could replace your mom?

    you think the only down fall is a little teasing, come off it and use that brain you have.
    Haha, I know man. Honestly, I just don't care what people do in their private lives. Considering we allow every shaniqua, tammy, loo-anne and Margarita squeeze out children irresponsibly and leech off OUR tax dollars and medical system I don't see how this can be any more damaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    I see you're against men having children together. Are you against 2 women having children together? Or is your personal prejudice just against gay men.
    Prejudices aside there is no doubt in my mind 2 women would do a far superoir job then 2 men, you can say that makes me a bigot I say it makes me a realist. A one father one mother is and always has been the best since the begining of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Act of God View Post
    Interesting thought...what happens if we notice that the rate of homosexuality of these adopted children to gay couples is significantly higher than compared to children of heterosexual couples?

    That would F sh!t up, big time. I personally still wouldn't care because I'm all about personal freedom but it could really damage the "homosexuality is not a choice" campaign.
    From what I've read there is no evidence of gay parents raising a higher number of gay kids. I know a guy who had lesbian parents and he's straight. He's actually quite a womanizer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    So I am being stupid for pointing out the obvious? In every custody case the mother has the side on her and it would take extreme measures for a mother to lose that main custody status, like drugs or mental disorder or a Britney Spears personality.

    A child needs more then an occassional female influence and ignoring this fact and calling my statement ridiculous shows your out of touch with reality on this issue. Seroiusly, do you think 2 guys could replace your mom?
    For the record, I do think that 1 mom and 1 dad is best. I also think that 2 moms or 2 dads is better than one of either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    From what I've read there is no evidence of gay parents raising a higher number of gay kids. I know a guy who had lesbian parents and he's straight. He's actually quite a womanizer.
    That's because he has inside information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    So I am being stupid for pointing out the obvious? In every custody case the mother has the side on her and it would take extreme measures for a mother to lose that main custody status, like drugs or mental disorder or a Britney Spears personality.

    A child needs more then an occassional female influence and ignoring this fact and calling my statement ridiculous shows your out of touch with reality on this issue. Seroiusly, do you think 2 guys could replace your mom?
    You totally ignored my first point so I will repeat.

    What about a single father with custody of his children or if his wife dies? Are you saying he isn't capable of raising a girl? He should have his girls taken away?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    You totally ignored my first point so I will repeat.

    What about a single father with custody of his children or if his wife dies? Are you saying he isn't capable of raising a girl? He should have his girls taken away?
    I think it is a rare and unfortuante case and certianly should not have his kids taken away and in a strong family unit the extend family will step up to the plate and help. It is not a manufactored situation like what you are proposing. Where do the kids come from for a gay couple?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    I think it is a rare and unfortuante case and certianly should not have his kids taken away and in a strong family unit the extend family will step up to the plate and help. It is not a manufactored situation like what you are proposing. Where do the kids come from for a gay couple?
    I would much rather see children, who are wards of the state, who face a future of being shuffled around from state homes, to foster homes...the face untold abuses and other unstable situations; and who would otherwise live a miserable 18 years and have no chance at a childhood; goto a gay couple or parents who would provide a stable home free of abuse, than to see them face the aforementioned. Surely you would agree that that situation is much more favoreable to children to be in a loving home than to be in the states care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    I think it is a rare and unfortuante case and certianly should not have his kids taken away and in a strong family unit the extend family will step up to the plate and help. It is not a manufactored situation like what you are proposing. Where do the kids come from for a gay couple?
    Read the article posted above and you can stop asking how gay parents have kids.

    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    In a strong family unit the extend family will step up to the plate and help.
    That's EXACTLY what I said in a previous post. You dismissed my point then you repeat it.
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    Every child would do best if they were born to a mother and father (I think there is something to be gained from both sex, not just mother), to parents that are married, financially stable, love each other.

    It never happens that way, girls get knocked up, people spit, have babies they don't want, do a shitty job, split custody, raise kids in bad neighborhoods, cigarette smoke, raise kids around drugs. A million ways str8 people f up a kid.

    With gay men, were talking about a substantial outlay of cash, they really want that kid. I am yet to see a study were kids raised by gay parents are less likely to be happy. If they really want the baby and are going to put the effort into raising it, what's the problem? Not every household can be ideal.

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    I really don't see how people can still think this way. Being a female does not mean you automatically have skills to be a good parent. It doesn't matter what instincts you have for most parenting issues. Other than breast feeding...the rest comes with constantly being around / caring for the child. Spend night and day with a baby answering their cries and you'll start to know and feel when the baby is sick , sad, or just not well. To say that only a mother or pair of mothers could do good is rediculous. It just falls in line with the new sexism that is out there now days. Men are treated as inferior all the time on tv and movies. It's ok to show a tv show where a man is an idiot and can't do anything right, but the wife comes to the rescue and helps and is a saint for putting up with such an idiot. Women have freed themselves from being seen as only mothers who have to stay at home but now no one defends the males who are themselves being seen as inferior, less emotional and less able to be a good parent.

    I've gotten a little of track here. I guess what i'm sayinig is, it's just as wrong to say that a man can't do as good of a job raising a child as it is to say that the only thing a woman can do is stay home and have kids. They are both stereotypes and both based more on environmental factors such as TV, social jokes.... and less on actual fact.


    I saw that in this thread some one made reference to sharing personal experiences. Ok so the father would not have gone through becoming a woman ... so that doesn't mean he can't be edjucated and read about exactly what process is like. I've never been an alcoholic but I know all the signs and emotional problems that go with it. So I should be able to understand and relate to an alcoholic on some level right? As a parent you will go through tons of random things that you just can't expect or prepare...I used drugs...skipped school... got expelled...went to college ... dropped out....got my first high paying job... all of which my parents never did. But they were there for it all...and they helped me through it great. So i guess what i'm saying is a parent can't count on there own personal experiences as the sole basis for their parenting skills.



    Lastly...I think the only thing that matters is that the parents love the child and are willing to sacrifice everything to help that child grow up right. That is all that matters.

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    oh yah 1 more thing... about the kid being made fun of... GOOD! It's a tough world out there. I know we are in an everybody gets a trophy generation , but life is hard...you don't always win... the good guy does not always end up on top. Adversity and strength are needed to live in our world.

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