test cypionate cycle advice??

[jkproperties]

Hi All
I am considering a cycle of test cypionate.

This would be my second cycle.

Did a hectic strong 1st cycle with not as much gains as I wanted.

My question is:
Do I run this test500mg/wk only
test500mg/wk deca300mg/wk or
test500mg/wk decca300mg/wk proviron and kessar(anti estrogen)

Please advise me what you guys think.

My specs are as follows:
27yo
78kg
1,65 meter
BF around 15%

[Reed]

Well your gains were probably lagging due to diet and possibly your training program. AAS will NOT do the work for you, you still have to eat right and train correctly

Off the top of my head, 1,65 meters is 5 feet 4 inches?? and about 175lbs??

I would go with just a test cycle this time around, no point in wasting compounds if you don't have everything on track.

What do you plan for PCT?

[jkproperties]

My diet did lag a little.
I was told to stop my protein shakes and try to eat more, I believe this was the problem as I lost a lot of easy proteins and didn't gain as much.
I train hard though.

PCT:
Clomid and pregnyl is normally advised to me.
What do you think?

My gains were about 7kg around 14lb.
Not terrible but not what I was expecting.

[Reed]

14lbs is truly not bad at all. What were you expecting 30?? Understand that your gains will not be all muscle.

Protein shakes should be kept to a minimum but they are not a poor choice of protein. I usually do 2 shakes during my growing phases. PWO and sometime during the day. Morning or possibly before bed.

I'd say you PCT sounds fine possibly add in some nolva or torem

But again get your diet on track, head to the diet forum and post your current diet for critique so you can maximize the cycle.

And with your training just cause you train hard doesn't mean there is not things you can improve upon whether its the way you have your body parts split, the exercises you do, and even the way you go about your reps.

[jkproperties]

I did post my diet before with the shakes and the guys said it looked good.
But then the guy I get the stuff from said I should leave the shakes and I had a 10am shake plus a PWO shake and a 10pm shake.

Thats 100g of protein I lost not even looking at cals.

Well I was looking at Hunter-S-Thompson log and he went up close to 30lb on just test.

I use a 3 day split.
I change my workout every 8 weeks.

This is my current workout.

Day 1
Chest and Bicepts
day 2
Legs and shoulders
day 3
Tricepts and back

Do you want the full workout details?

PCT
What is the Nolva for?
I think that is my Kessar for estrogen.
I was told to use it throught the cycle... what do you think?

[Reed]

I did post my diet before with the shakes and the guys said it looked good.
But then the guy I get the stuff from said I should leave the shakes and I had a 10am shake plus a PWO shake and a 10pm shake.

Thats 100g of protein I lost not even looking at cals.

Well I was looking at Hunter-S-Thompson log and he went up close to 30lb on just test.

I use a 3 day split.
I change my workout every 8 weeks.

This is my current workout.

day 1
Chest and Bicepts
day 2
Legs and shoulders
day 3
Tricepts and back

Do you want the full workout details?

Link me to the Hunter thompson log. Did he post pics

I don't like your training split one bit. Is this for three days in a row?? Your triceps are used as a secondary muscle group on chest and shoulders then you try to hit them on the last day. Also delts are used with chest and you have them the following day as well.

Keep it basic

D1: Chest
D2: Back
D3: off
D4: Shoulders/traps
D5: legs
D6: arms
D7: off

More is not always better. You grow outside the gym

I'd suggest to get your training in order and your diet, lower your body fat a bit and then do this cycle. The lower your body fat the more gains you'll see instead of the extra body fat covering it up and also the higher the body fat the more side effects you risk. Gyno, high blood pressure etc.

[jkproperties]

I train
day1 Monday
day2 Wednesday
day3 Friday

Cardio on tuesday and Thursday

sorry for the unclear post.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...64#post4815264

check page 1 for before pics and page 5 for after pics.

He added 40lb and then started dropping down. If you read the log entire log.

I only got some acne from my previous cycle not any other sides that I noticed.

My 1st cycle was expensive :
Tren
D/bol
Decca
Testaviron

with proviron and kessar.

[Reed]

I train
day1 Monday
day2 Wednesday
day3 Friday

Cardio on tuesday and Thursday

sorry for the unclear post.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...64#post4815264

check page 1 for before pics and page 5 for after pics.

He added 40lb and then started dropping down. If you read the log entire log.

I only got some acne from my previous cycle not any other sides that I noticed.

My 1st cycle was expensive :
Tren
D/bol
Decca
Testaviron

with proviron and kessar.

Doesn't look like 40lbs of what we are after... lean body mass... anyway his gains will not dictate what yours will be. We are all different.

That was a pretty big first timer cycle. Hell I've never ran that much and I JUST started my third bulker, did one pre contest cycle for shows.

Ahh I see with your split, its better that way but I think you could benefit more from the split I gave you. Yours seems more geared to that of a powerlifter or one that is PCT mode. What are your goals?

[marcus300]

I wouldn't concern yourself with what someone else gained, 14lbs for your first cycle is good IMHO, the guy who used tren,deca,dbol,test for his first cycle is reckless I wouldn't take much notice with what he is doing because by his first cycle his second may just see him off completely.

I would like to echo what Reed as already said, re-design your diet, shuffle your training program around and gains will come, just remember that everytime you put muscle mass on you need to change the diet to compensate the new found muscle

[jkproperties]

To build some good muscle and look good.

I want get to around 90kg

I don't want to get too lean thoughjust to see my sixpack nicely

[ninesecz]

I would say just run the test alone! If you did not get the gains you wanted from your first cycle, I would say it was your diet that is not in order! I would work on that first of all then work on the cycle!

[jkproperties]

that nut was me.

I was badly informed.
Trying to do it right this time around

[Reed]

To build some good muscle and look good.

I want get to around 90kg

I don't want to get too lean thoughjust to see my sixpack nicely

You'll need to diet and possibly add in cardio in order for that to happen.

Like I suggested previously, your best bet would be to diet down first, get that six pack, and then look into cycling.

Look at what Marcus is telling you as well.

Start researching and posting a diet for critique.

[jkproperties]

I am adjusting my diet.
I got most of my gains at the end of my cycle when I got my diet up to scratch I am looking at my diet weekly now to improve it and refine it.

[Reed]

I am adjusting my diet.
I got most of my gains at the end of my cycle when I got my diet up to scratch I am looking at my diet weekly now to improve it and refine it.

Nice, now do you understand why I am telling you diet down first before a cycle? You want to maximize your gains and trying to cut while on cycle with not do this...

Diet down first, re-organize your training, then cycle. That would be the best for you.

[jkproperties]

I will post my diet in the diet section now.

For the cycle you guys recon test only?
should I leave the kessar and proviron off aswell.

This is anti estrogen and to keep water retention down

[Reed]

I will post my diet in the diet section now.

For the cycle you guys recon test only?
should I leave the kessar and proviron off aswell.

This is anti estrogen and to keep water retention down

Well you get that body fat down you probably won't have to worry about water retention as much.

Your goals are achievable but will have to put in the work for a while in order to get there. The more time you spend doing it right, learning, reading, tweaking diet and training the faster your goals will become reality.

[jkproperties]

Reed,
What do you reckon about the cycle?
Only the test?
none of the other stuff...

[Reed]

yes, keep the AI on hand.

sorry my internet connect is having a bit of trouble and I'll be down to check your diet ASAP

[jkproperties]

Reed,
So only use the test and have the kessar just in case dont run it the whole time. leave the pro viron.

I just want it clear without any misunderstandings.

I appreciate the feedback.

[jkproperties]

anyone els got some feedback for me?

[jkproperties]

I have posted my Diet
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post4816148

[jkproperties]

must be a good cycle i suppose

[ranging1]

sorry budddy but IMHO 78kg and 15% bodyfat and 5 foot 8?

u seriously could grow without anabolics easily

BUT heres few basics for ya

if u wanna gain at a good rate, 500mg test is all u need, think about it ur injecting 5-6 times the normal test levels of a man, if u cant grow from that much test then its ur diet and training that are no good

people who need more steroids are usually guys further into their genetic potential and beyond

78kg is prob not even half ur genetic potential

another tip is train short and hard, dont train like a pro bodybuilder doing 12-20 sets per bodypart, its not effective unless ur running shit loads of gear and are already a monster

as for diet go to the diet section as u already have, if ur not gaining i say a pound-2 a week while ur on a cycle then ur NOT eating enough

[jkproperties]

Ranging1,
thanks for the feedback.
please check my diet and tell me what you think.

[jkproperties]

Reed,
I am starting a cutting cycle today.
once I have my six pack I will start this cycle.
Thanks for the advice.

[jkproperties]

I went to collect my stuff today.

I am hoping to start in 2 weeks from now.
Hope I am able to cut enough by then.