S-4 During PCT LOG

[adam15425]

Starting S-4 tomorrow @ 25mg/day. This week I will be running HCG @ 500iu EOD as well as Aromasin @ 12.5mg/day.
Next weeks are as follows:
16 Aromasin 12.5mg/day - Nolvadex 20mg/day - Clomid 50mg/day
17 Nolvadex 20mg/day - Clomid 50mg/day
18 Nolvadex 20mg/day - Clomid 25mg/day
19 Nolvadex 20mg/day - Clomid 25mg/day

Plan on running S-4 @ 25mg/day throughout up to week 23. May bump it up to 50mg/day. I'd like to run the S-4 for 8 weeks but we will see how the sides get. I am also dieting for a show. Stay tuned for pics and updates.

[bass]

thanks for logging this...

[biggerisbetter1827]

yes thank you indeed....i'm running a test e and deca cycle this summer and i have been considering adding s-4 to my pct...keep us posted
-D

[Okinawa_Power]

I would not run S4 during PCT. S4 will affect your HTPA just like AAS does. During PCT you are trying to restart your natural test levels, by taking S4 you are just complicating the process. S4 is starting to be used as a bridge for AAS cycles because of the ability to keep muscle and the fat breakdown going from one cycle to another. This should just be done by experienced users. Just my .02

[adam15425]

I thought that a low dose of S4 doesnt affext the HPTA

From: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...8/?tool=pubmed
"The activities of S-4 on LH and FSH were similar to those produced by TP. S-1 and S-4 partially suppressed LH production at dose rates of 0.5 mg/day or higher."

An absolute dose of 0.5 mg/day is equivalent to 1.9 mg/kg/day in the rats studied. When corrected for body surface area and converted to dosing for humans, you get 0.31 mg/kg (1.9 * 0.162). As a theoretical extrapolation, for a 100 kg (220 lb) man, a dose of only 31 mg/day is where you'd start to see "partially suppressed LH production."

[adam15425]

Also found this on e l i t e f i t n e s s.com (jacshelb)

I've written about this a few times, but yeah, that's exactly what I did. I did a cycle in Jan, starting bw of 205 and got up to 235 or so and when I came off, with some pretty standard PCT, I lost weight and ended up at 210 lbs. That wasn't cool! I used sarms AFTER PCT right up to my next cycle at 75 mg per day 5 days per week for about 5-6 weeks. I lost 3-4 lbs of fat- at least- and gained 2-3 or more lbs of muscle. Basically it helpe me recomposition.

Like I say, I ran s4 right up till my next cycle. This time I did a very similar cycle, got up to around 240 lbs, but when I came off I used: Clomid 50 mg/day, s4 50 mg/day/5 x week, and DHEA (for mood etc). Instead of plummeting to 210 lbs like I did before I only lost my testosterone water weight, dropped to around 230-232 or so. After PCT I kept running the sarms. My libido came back as "normal" post cycle, everything was normal except I retained a great amount of size! I ran s4 right up to my next cycle... again.

This is probably how I'll do it. My balls come back to full size as they normally do, without hcg. I do NOT think s4 helps in hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - recovery, but that mine is recovering despite the s4. Side by side, a PCT for me, as far as I can tell about the size of my testes, sex drive, energy levels etc. is the same with or without s4, only difference is s4 helps me retain ALL gains- besides water. Or, at least that is the case thus far. I don't want to be without sarms!

Also, I had no vision trouble to speak of at 50 mg/day and only slight at 75mg-100mg. But, I've heard from others who had trouble at 50 mg, but went away 3 days after stopping.

[Necrosaro]

I also believe that sarms will not effect your hpta unless you run at a higher dose. If kep to a min dose you should be bale to complete your pct and keep most of the gains.

[Swifto]

I thought that a low dose of S4 doesnt affext the HPTA

From: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...8/?tool=pubmed
"The activities of S-4 on LH and FSH were similar to those produced by TP. S-1 and S-4 partially suppressed LH production at dose rates of 0.5 mg/day or higher."

An absolute dose of 0.5 mg/day is equivalent to 1.9 mg/kg/day in the rats studied. When corrected for body surface area and converted to dosing for humans, you get 0.31 mg/kg (1.9 * 0.162). As a theoretical extrapolation, for a 100 kg (220 lb) man, a dose of only 31 mg/day is where you'd start to see "partially suppressed LH production."

Correct.

[Crulexis]

From many people I've been talking to on EliteF.com SARM'S are seeming more and more like a good idea for PCT.. It shouldn't shut you down at 50MG. ED but, of course that is all speculation at this point, and everyone's different... But a few guys I know used SARMS during PCT , it helped them drop the water weight, keep STR and maintain A LOT MORE muscle compared to not have used the SARMS...

Good luck man, I will def be following this log, as I am going to be using it in My PCT in 8 weeks time

[Triple Stack]

I'm following this thread too...thanks for the log! I have two bottles of S4 here with me, ready for my PCT starting in March. I've been debating with myself which would be better: Do PCT, then SARM'S....or both PCT & SARM'S together. I was planning 50mg/day for 2 months.

I'll stay posted here & keep researching, thanks for the info Adam!

[Necrosaro]

^ Personally we are all experimenting with sarms at the moment; when are you done your cycle? You could wait till you see the results of the original poster

[Triple Stack]

I'm done 2nd week of February, which means I'm starting PCT beginning March. I'm counting on seeing the results here of the OP. I'm really interested in seeing how this pans out!

[Necrosaro]

He might have at lease some results to give you an idea of how his progress is and give you a better idea as to what you might want to do before you start.

[Triple Stack]

I hope so, and if it's still inconclusive at that point, then I'll be the 2nd (or 3rd,4th,5th by that time) to post my own S4 PCT log!

[tballz]

Good stuff, Adam. Keep us posted.

[freakinhuge]

definitely keep us updated on this, a lot of logs on here are about running sarms by itself, would love to see how it affects your pct, good luck.

[adam15425]

SCRATCH THIS....... With all this misinformation going around I am not risking to be a test rat to possibly be on HRT if this "S-4" isnt what it is claimed by sellers. I'm just going to do my pct w/o "S-4" or whatever the hell it is. I will save the compound for when I recover to use as a standalone to see if its suppressive to myself at a dose of 50mg/day. Sorry fellas

[endus]

SCRATCH THIS....... With all this misinformation going around I am not risking to be a test rat to possibly be on HRT if this "S-4" isnt what it is claimed by sellers. I'm just going to do my pct w/o "S-4" or whatever the hell it is. I will save the compound for when I recover to use as a standalone to see if its suppressive to myself at a dose of 50mg/day. Sorry fellas

Don't worry about - you put in lot of effort getting ripped. If unsure, save it for later. Better to be safe than sorry.

[adam15425]

Ill probably run the S-4 in the beginning of May....I'll be sure to keep a log

[adam15425]

Just figured I'd post this up: Guy running S4 during PCT. Bloodwork to come.

http://www.e l i t e f i t n e s s.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/my-sarms-s4-experience-681165-10.html

[bass]

Adam, what were you levels before?

[adam15425]

680ish ng/dL test 34ng/dL estrogen

[bass]

That’s pretty damn good, now remember this is what my readings were after S4 cycle (higher number after cycle), the only difference is i did a poor PCT, if your stay the way it is three months from now then that would be awesome.

[adam15425]

I hope nothing changes. Im going to be running Primordial performances test recovery stack starting next week too. Ill retest probably the end of april to see where I stand a month after stopping the S4

[tballz]

I've read another log on another board where it didn't suppress. He was doing like 50mg/day.

[teddykgb29]

wow great to see the test results come back, your levels came back big. Have you always been using 20 mg per day during pct.

[adam15425]

wow great to see the test results come back, your levels came back big. Have you always been using 20 mg per day during pct.

This is the first time I've used it at all, and it's during PCT...I'm still on also.

[tballz]

Great stuff. I've read other logs where sarms didn't suppress them.