every time it gets brought up, chaos ensues. Like really, why not for a second cycle? I've read about all the sides, how much to use, etc. Why is this always discouraged?
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every time it gets brought up, chaos ensues. Like really, why not for a second cycle? I've read about all the sides, how much to use, etc. Why is this always discouraged?
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i can only say why i think.
the sides are not to be played with. Tren is a very powerful chem that will leave u spinning. shit, i havent slept in a while, shit is killing me.
second cycle does not make u a vet, its is only the second cycle, there is alot of learning required with AAS..
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sure, the sides may be terrible for some...but if the person will do it anyway, whats the difference between doing it second cycle vs fifth cycle?Originally Posted by Mooseman33
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I see nothing wrong with it as a second cycle option if you know possible sides and how to deal with them and as long as your run ACE version and can get off it quickly then there is no reason you can't give it a go to try it out..
I don't care what anyone says.. whether you use Trenbolone in your 2nd cycle or your 50th.. the sides are the same. If you are educated on it. Then you know what is coming. And if it is TOO MUCH. Stop !! As with anything.
A lot of people recommend Nandrolone Decanoate as a second cycle compound.. that IMO is a more dangerous compound to tamper with than Trenbolone Acetate. Because of the length of time it takes to filter it out of the system if the sides become somewhat of an issue.
It doesn't matter if you are a seasoned Vet when it comes to AAS it matters in knowing what the hell you are getting yourself into.
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I personally have never ran tren ace but ran Tren E in my second cycle. It may have been lucky but I didnt get any bad sides and felt great. I don`t openly suggest people do this because they may get bad sides. I guess I am just lucky.
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Well to tell you the honest truth the problem with people wanting to running it so earlier is that they do half ass research. I get PM's from people or read threads asking about prolactin in the middle of there cycle and they have no clue what caber or bromo is and numerous other questions.
I think (not always true) when people get more experence with aas they will do more research and when they do more research they will not miss the little things that can make your cycle better.
Everyone will tell you how they have been "lucking" and researching but from what I have read a lot of people will take tren because of the results.
Before I contemplate a cycle I research the hell out of it even if I have ran it before just in case I either missed something or some other issues to help combat sides and or other things might work better.
BTW I ran tren my 2nd cycle and loved it
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good post. I have only run 1 cycle which was the basic suggested cycle of test-e at 500mg per week. I have been toying with the idea of trying tren and have read and researched mostly everything I need to know at this point. If I feel that the sides are worth the risk of looking the best I have ever looked, then i dont see why I should be discouraged by everyone to not do it. Especially when I have been training and dieting efficiently for 5 1/2 years before my first cycle
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The reason I wouldn't recommend Tren for a second cycle is becuase the shti is strong. I tried running it twice before and got off each time. I finally complete a cycle but my dose was at 350mg/wk and I still had trouble sleeping and my aggresion was very high.
I also believe if you are going to run it you are going to run it no matter what cycle it is, so just try to educate yourself like everyone is saying. It's a great compound but I have to say that will be the last time I run it. I like being happy not pissed off all the time
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Why do you feel the need to run tren for your second cycle thats my question? I know seasoned vets with 10plus years of juicing that simply cant run tren because of the sides most seem to love it but you could make great gain s with a much safer compound and save the tren for when you really need it. Ultimatly its up to you if nthe sides are worth it to you I just dont understand why you wouldnt explore some safer compounds first but to each his own.
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I ran tren as a second cycle. The sides were pretty insane. Like deuce stated. It doesnt matter what cycle it is the sides will be the same. Just educate yourself before jumping on it.
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I ran tren a as a second cycle too.
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Im training someone who is running 100mg ED of Tren A on his 2nd cycle with no problems (8 weeks in). But, Ive never been able to run more then 50mg Ed without disruptive sides and Ive run more then 12 cycles.
Everyone is different. As long as you're running tren A so that you can bail and you've done exhaustive research, I have no problem with it. Just make sure your prepared.
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50mgs yeah wasnt bad. I upped mine to 100mgs about a week and a half in. Then sides really got me.
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I think the general consensus is that experience is a whole helluva lot more valuable than book knowledge
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Its simple why you shouldnt run tren for your second cycle,,,,,,,,because there is no need to run something so powerful when something moderate will do the job! you dont run harsh compounds on your second run, you need to learn how to walk before you start running!
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Flame SUIT ON! All that is simply understood but you guys know human nature and people are going to run it anyways so why not give them the safest way to run it and best advise? Most people come here already knowing the dangers and most side and they come here for advise on how to minimize the dangers not to get slapped down and told don't do it and that's it. Especially from you "seasoned" vets that have done the cycles before, I don't see the big deal of just saying here do it like this and like that this is how I did it and got the least amount of sides. FLAME SUIT OFF
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this is where i see a problem.
most people do not know of all the REAL sides and dangers that can be caused by tren and other AAS.
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that explained it the best.
its like running your best thoroughbred at a local race. its just a waste. wait until you get to the upper echelons; in regards to needing stronger compounds to illicit the response. that is just how i feel.
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If he is going to do it, then he is going to do, as you say. But if we hand feed him the info on how to do it, then he didn't do his research that he says he did, right? By makeing him do the research on how to do it, he may really read about the sides and learn how to control them. At least that's the way I try and look at it.
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believe me, I have researched everything i could find on tren not only here, but two other sites as well. I think I am going to pass this time around, though I still havent decided. I will definitely do it 3rd or 4th cycle if i dont do it now though
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sides are horrible...that's why.
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If you are well educated on the compound and feel comfortable running it, then start low and increase week by week, until you feel the sides get too hard to tolerate. The first time I ran tren I started high and tried tappering down, with sucked, and I ended up getting off early.
Since you haven't decided, I would suggest waiting. Like stated earlier, you can still grow off a lot milder compounds. So why not do that and wait till you can't grow off the milder ones, before going to tren?
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This is a total miss statement.......sides are horrible...that's why.
Only negative sides I have ever experienced were night sweats which didnt keep me awake in fact I slept like a baby even at 600mg/week. I once got tren cough which is an experience but if you know what it is it's not that big a deal.
While you may have had bad sides I think it is unfair to assume everyone would.
'everything louder than everything else'
i once had these with too high a dose of deca, neva want to experience it again, 3wks of soaking hell, this alone means i'll neva touch tren
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I guess it just doesnt bother me, I just throw a towel on the bed and keep a spare t-shirt ready, make the swap and back to sleep instantly.
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Agreed, and marcus knows his shit too
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I am running tren for a second cycle. 12 days in, already visibly lost half of my bodyfat, gained 10lbs, and I am only on 350mg a week with around 400-500mg test per week (test is quite painful, might be base). Best part is, absolutely no sides so far. Tren is the best shit ever ever! Why would anyone ever need anything else unless they get sides?
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I guess you have too snort your tren to get those kind of results. Have you stopped working out as well>?
'everything louder than everything else'
i had hyperhydrosis for years and, although not as bad now, i can sweat very heavily from my back and forehead in even a moderately heated room, so im guessing even moderate doses of tren would trouble the situation, pity cos it sounds like good stuff
'everything louder than everything else'
had forgotten bout tht
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True, but then again what are THE REAL DANGERS??
No one knows, it's all theories.. what the possible FINA D1CK?? curable with either TEST or Caber/bromo/prami - keep the prolactin down from a 19-nor and boom no issues.
What else?? Night sweats.. oh real big danger there.. change the sheets.. sleep in a towel..
Umm, aggression?? Yah but if you exercise appropriately you should be leaving all "aggression" at the gym.
What else.. oh YOU MUST MEAN THE ENORMOUS INCREASE IN STRENGTH AND SIZE side effects too right?? Those are caused by tren and other AAS and should be avoided at all costs... lol...
just messin' with ya man.. but come on.. TREN IS AN ULTIMATE COMPOUND.. I see absolutely NO HARM in running it in your 2nd cycle.. all the way until your very last cycle ... because NO MATTER WHAT.. You will see the benefits from it. It's not like if you use Trenbolone in your 2nd cycle.. it won't work on your 16th or 30th cycle.. fvcking of course it will...
Not true, like I said above.. it doesn't matter how many times you run it or in what cycle.. IT WILL ALWAYS DO IT'S JOB.. Yes dose adjustment might be needed through course of use in the lifetime you use it.. but TREN will always work like TREN.
No they aren't. Hahaha... wow... everyone makes it out like TREN is EVIL.. Kinda sad actually...
Marcus, you know I value your knowledge but I am going to disagree here.. yes while running something moderate may do the job.. NOTHING compares to TRENBOLONE. Nothing.. and I have stated it a couple times in this post already.. it does NOT matter if you use it in your 2nd cycle or 4th or 17th or 36th cycle.. It will always do what it does.. just because you use it in your 2nd cycle doesn't make it's effects null and void for the rest of your life. I know people that implement Tren in (almost) every cycle and they make awesome kick ass gains in every cycle.
There should be ONE CATCH to someone using it in their 2nd cycle.. KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GETTING INTO. Know the possible sides. Know how to correct them. And KNOW that it is a POWERFUL COMPOUND.. and they should be just fine to use it.
What is the major difference in waiting.. Tren will give you the same results and sides in your 1st ever cycle or your Last ever cycle.
In fact, I think it should be USED MORE in the beginning stages of Anabolic use to get the body into a platform ready for the "upper echelons" of bodybuilding/powerlifting/strongman or for just creating a super massive physique for the sake of doing so..
But alas.. I am but ONE MAN.. and what is One Man.. Just One Opinion... EVERYONE'S will vary to a certain degree.
I 2nd that.. I LOVE TREN... (Also Love NPP) BUT I do NOT experience a wealth of horrible sides from them.. hahaha if you call Huge gains in strength and size a horrible side... OH I AM GUILTY !! LOL
You must be running Tren ACE.. I myself experience a huge reduction in bodyfat and visible changes by the 12th day also.. haha You can DEFINITELY TELL I AM ON TREN by Day 10..
COME ON MAN, Unnecessary.. he was choosing to throw in his opinion on how awesomely great TREN is and you have to FLAME him..wow bro.. i thought you had more respect than that for people.. just goes to show ya..
Like I stated above, I see a reduction in bodyfat and visible changes by day 10 of Tren A administration.. what.. YOU DON'T?? Must not be running some good Trenbolone Acetate then..
Not necessarily bro.. just because you have a condition it does not mean it will amplify it.. it doesn't mean it won't either.. no real way of knowing if it does unless you try it.. don't count it out man. Tren is something that you should NEVER say NEVER too unless you have tried it and it just isn't for you.
THERE.. THAT'S MY .02 CENTS on this thread.
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just when I was leaning toward waiting, Deuce makes a post that makes me want to do it now haha!
Last edited by AlphaMaleDawg; 12-29-2009 at 07:54 PM.
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Its overkill that's why you shouldn't run it as a seconds cycle. You wouldn't run 1 gram of test as a second cycle because you don't need that much, same thing tren. It's stronger than you need.
Steroid cycles progress one of two ways, the dosage increases or the compounds get stronger. If you start taking the strong compounds on your second cycle then its the dosage that has to go up each cycle.
It's not about the sides, if you are prone to the sides you are going to get them if it's your 1st of 20th cycle.
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Yes everyone is different, and i loved tren. I also used tren as a second cycle @ 75mg ed and prop @ 50mg ed. I loved the night sweats and had no trouble speeping. The results were amazing. Added 20lbs lean to my frame but it was the worst pct in my life( ive done 3 cycles). I was shut down really hard. Estrogen was running rampamt and i had emotional break downs on a weekly basis. I really felt what it means to be a female lol. I cried at the end of "7 pounds" lol. I cried at my office. I was an emotional wreck. My pct was 40/40/20/20 nolva and used hcg while on cycle. Thing is i was so badly shut down i wasnt taking my nolva like i shud. I was so emotionally unstable i made some bad decisions. My third cycle was test e500mg/wk and winni 50mg ed. Great cycle and my pct was good, but i did suffer a few emotional sides but i learned to control it better. This pct i got severe anxiety but slowly i learned to control it, so next cycle if it happens again i wont suffer tyring to figure out whats wrong with me.
But what im tryna say is, you need to take steps whn using. You learn something new about your body after every cycle. You cant jump in the game expecting to expect evetything cause you never know how youll react. Im not saying everyone will react the same... But you need to take precaution sometimes
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Yes everyone is different, and i loved tren. I also used tren as a second cycle @ 75mg ed and prop @ 50mg ed. I loved the night sweats and had no trouble speeping. The results were amazing. Added 20lbs lean to my frame but it was the worst pct in my life( ive done 3 cycles). I was shut down really hard. Estrogen was running rampamt and i had emotional break downs on a weekly basis. I really felt what it means to be a female lol. I cried at the end of "7 pounds" lol. I cried at my office. I was an emotional wreck. My pct was 40/40/20/20 nolva and used hcg while on cycle. Thing is i was so badly shut down i wasnt taking my nolva like i shud. I was so emotionally unstable i made some bad decisions. My third cycle was test e500mg/wk and winni 50mg ed. Great cycle and my pct was good, but i did suffer a few emotional sides but i learned to control it better. This pct i got severe anxiety but slowly i learned to control it, so next cycle if it happens again i wont suffer tyring to figure out whats wrong with me.
But what im tryna say is, you need to take steps whn using. You learn something new about your body after every cycle. You cant jump in the game expecting to expect evetything cause you never know how youll react. Im not saying everyone will react the same... But you need to take precaution sometimes
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That doesnt make sense, your answering something what hasn't been asked, thats a bizzare response!!Marcus, you know I value your knowledge but I am going to disagree here.. yes while running something moderate may do the job.. NOTHING compares to TRENBOLONE. Nothing.. and I have stated it a couple times in this post already.. it does NOT matter if you use it in your 2nd cycle or 4th or 17th or 36th cycle.. It will always do what it does.. just because you use it in your 2nd cycle doesn't make it's effects null and void for the rest of your life. I know people that implement Tren in (almost) every cycle and they make awesome kick ass gains in every cycle.
THERE.. THAT'S MY .02 CENTS on this thread.
No one is saying tren isnt going to be effective on a 2nd cycle, we are talking about a newbie who hasnt got any experienece with how his body reacts to low to moderate compounds and how he actually feels with the normal sides these kinds of newbie cycles give, your advicing someone to run one of the most powerful compounds going when he doesnt know how he is going to react to test and a oral let alone the extreme sides of tren.
A newbie shouldnt run tren on his 2nd cycle because there is no need for it, other compounds will do the same job for someone who is at his stage of using steroids, he will kiss ass with every cycle he is a newbie to steroids, he needs to introduce tren when he is hitting a wall and needs some extra power,he needs to slowly learn how he reacts to adding compounds to cycles, not use something what could put him off for life!!
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So, Deuce, if we push your theory to its logical conclusion, then it's fine for people to use Tren on their first cycle, as long as they understand what they are getting into, and have the knowledge to deal with the sides as they arise, right?True, but then again what are THE REAL DANGERS??
No one knows, it's all theories.. what the possible FINA D1CK?? curable with either TEST or Caber/bromo/prami - keep the prolactin down from a 19-nor and boom no issues.
What else?? Night sweats.. oh real big danger there.. change the sheets.. sleep in a towel..
Umm, aggression?? Yah but if you exercise appropriately you should be leaving all "aggression" at the gym.
What else.. oh YOU MUST MEAN THE ENORMOUS INCREASE IN STRENGTH AND SIZE side effects too right?? Those are caused by tren and other AAS and should be avoided at all costs... lol...
just messin' with ya man.. but come on.. TREN IS AN ULTIMATE COMPOUND.. I see absolutely NO HARM in running it in your 2nd cycle.. all the way until your very last cycle ... because NO MATTER WHAT.. You will see the benefits from it. It's not like if you use Trenbolone in your 2nd cycle.. it won't work on your 16th or 30th cycle.. fvcking of course it will...
Not true, like I said above.. it doesn't matter how many times you run it or in what cycle.. IT WILL ALWAYS DO IT'S JOB.. Yes dose adjustment might be needed through course of use in the lifetime you use it.. but TREN will always work like TREN.
No they aren't. Hahaha... wow... everyone makes it out like TREN is EVIL.. Kinda sad actually...
Marcus, you know I value your knowledge but I am going to disagree here.. yes while running something moderate may do the job.. NOTHING compares to TRENBOLONE. Nothing.. and I have stated it a couple times in this post already.. it does NOT matter if you use it in your 2nd cycle or 4th or 17th or 36th cycle.. It will always do what it does.. just because you use it in your 2nd cycle doesn't make it's effects null and void for the rest of your life. I know people that implement Tren in (almost) every cycle and they make awesome kick ass gains in every cycle.
There should be ONE CATCH to someone using it in their 2nd cycle.. KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GETTING INTO. Know the possible sides. Know how to correct them. And KNOW that it is a POWERFUL COMPOUND.. and they should be just fine to use it.
What is the major difference in waiting.. Tren will give you the same results and sides in your 1st ever cycle or your Last ever cycle.
In fact, I think it should be USED MORE in the beginning stages of Anabolic use to get the body into a platform ready for the "upper echelons" of bodybuilding/powerlifting/strongman or for just creating a super massive physique for the sake of doing so..
But alas.. I am but ONE MAN.. and what is One Man.. Just One Opinion... EVERYONE'S will vary to a certain degree.
I 2nd that.. I LOVE TREN... (Also Love NPP) BUT I do NOT experience a wealth of horrible sides from them.. hahaha if you call Huge gains in strength and size a horrible side... OH I AM GUILTY !! LOL
You must be running Tren ACE.. I myself experience a huge reduction in bodyfat and visible changes by the 12th day also.. haha You can DEFINITELY TELL I AM ON TREN by Day 10..
COME ON MAN, Unnecessary.. he was choosing to throw in his opinion on how awesomely great TREN is and you have to FLAME him..wow bro.. i thought you had more respect than that for people.. just goes to show ya..
Like I stated above, I see a reduction in bodyfat and visible changes by day 10 of Tren A administration.. what.. YOU DON'T?? Must not be running some good Trenbolone Acetate then..
Not necessarily bro.. just because you have a condition it does not mean it will amplify it.. it doesn't mean it won't either.. no real way of knowing if it does unless you try it.. don't count it out man. Tren is something that you should NEVER say NEVER too unless you have tried it and it just isn't for you.
THERE.. THAT'S MY .02 CENTS on this thread.
Since when did knowledge become equivalent to acceptability?
That's like saying, "I've read alot about Necrophilia; I know all about it; so it's fine for me to do it." See the point? Just because you know all about it, doesn't make it acceptable or even prudent to do.
Anyway, I think you're missing the bigger picture. Sure, Tren will still work in later cycles if you run it in an earlier one, of course it will. But in this game, I don't see the point of bringing out the big guns until you really need them. Keep it simple at first, and let the diet do most of the work. Then, when you need them, bring out the heavy artillery (on second thought, maybe I shouldn't use gun analogies with you, lol).
I don't care how old you are, if you've only done one cycle, you're new to AAS. So, again, by your logic, everyone newbie to AAS should be using HGH, slin and tren if they want to take their body to the next level. But if you start using all them early on, what do you have to fall back on?
Marcus said it best, "you need to walk before you run."
You're a good guy, Deuce, just some friendly debate.
^^Completely agree.
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Deuce, u know i love u man.
an i know ur love for gear, but i ask you to please be careful with ur posts as we all no most noobs who come here are not ready to think about AAS let alone tren.
alot of us have done things we shouldnt have and try to teach the younger guys the proper safe way, so they dont have to learn from their mistakes, they can learn from ours.
ur post did nothing but give every noob here an opening as to why they should and can use tren early on. and i strongly disagree with that.
with ur resources and dedication i have no issues with what u use, cause i believe u can handle ur business, but most guys on here dont have the resources or knowledge u do as well as most noobs never research the proper safe ways...
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One good reason for NEW guys to want to run TREN,, is that a good "SOURCE" is very hard to come by !!! I am thinking of running Tren because I dont know a GOOD source myself...
'everything louder than everything else'
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