What percentage of competitive bodybuilder use anabolic steroids?

[Achilles2388]

Based on personal experience where would you put that number? What percent do you think are 100% clean, no GH or LR3IGF1 or anything else? Please help!!!

[laduem88]

is this a joke

[Achilles2388]

No dead serious, I am working on a project and I am complete naive to this topic

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Competitive bodybuilders clean? 0%..maybe less...LOL

[Achilles2388]

Hahaha, aite that's legit, got another question for ya then. These competitions that say they drug test, not just polygraph but blood test. Why not use and then like 10 weeks before the competition stop the usage? Does the blood test detect that trace amount of stuff even considering most of these things have really short half lives?

[Wayacrucis]

All of them use steroids but I think Lee Priest said he doesn't take GH and the insulin IGF or something stuff that causes a distended gut.

[LeroyB]

If you take a look at the steroid profiles you can get detailed information as to how long they stay in your system.
Also all comps don't test.

[Achilles2388]

Awesome info guys, thanks for the info, Arnold Classic tests like the way the Olympics do right that's why Shawn Ray failed?

[BIG_GUNS_21]

That depends on the type of gear they use....and what the drug test is for (what type of aas)

Somethings you can take and the metabolites produced by the drug can be detected 18 months later (like deca)

Down to some drugs that take weeks, and some that take days.

As for why not use they then stop. They are a lot sneaker than that. There are drugs that cover other drugs...Stacks that would be out of your system by test day...If theres a way to beat a test and money on the line someone has tried it I would bet...

Hahaha, aite that's legit, got another question for ya then. These competitions that say they drug test, not just polygraph but blood test. Why not use and then like 10 weeks before the competition stop the usage? Does the blood test detect that trace amount of stuff even considering most of these things have really short half lives?

[Achilles2388]

Good point Big_Guns on the last sentence about the money. You guys are all really helping me out a bunch right now on this research, I cannot thank you all enough right now

[smiler]

Good point Big_Guns on the last sentence about the money. You guys are all really helping me out a bunch right now on this research, I cannot thank you all enough right now

curiosity has me? what is your project? details? your age? just wondering....

[Achilles2388]

20, it is about the effects of various hormones on the body and how it affects the natural cycles. So the bodybuilding community offers the unique example where this is modified greatly from the "normal" and thats why I wanted to know about blood testing and stuff because I need a backup plan in case someone says they don't use, I categorize them as a non-user and mix them in with the general population but really they are users. Does that make sense?

[FireGuy]

Competitive bodybuilders clean? 0%..maybe less...LOL

Wrong, there are many competitive bodybuilders who compete or competed 100% natural, me being one of them.

[FireGuy]

All of them use gear, but I think Lee Priest said he doesn't take GH and the insulin IGF or something stuff that causes a distended gut.

Really? If we are talking about Pro's, yes. But that wasnt the question.

[AlphaGenetics]

We talkin urine test or blood?

[FireGuy]

Hahaha, aite that's legit, got another question for ya then. These competitions that say they drug test, not just polygraph but blood test. Why not use and then like 10 weeks before the competition stop the usage? Does the blood test detect that trace amount of stuff even considering most of these things have really short half lives?

Because some people have a sense of dignity and know that competing on AAS against natural guys in a "natural show" makes you a cheater.

[AlphaGenetics]

Wrong, there are many competitive bodybuilders who compete or competed 100% natural, me being one of them.

Are you saying you have never used aas before? Were you natural in your avator?

[FireGuy]

Are you saying you have never used aas before? Were you natural in your avator?

I am saying I competed for over 15 years 100% natural, and yes the pic in my avatar was from 100% natural training with zero AAS at a natural show which I was also tested at.

[AlphaGenetics]

Based on personal experience where would you put that number? What percent do you think are 100% clean, no GH or LR3IGF1 or anything else? Please help!!!

You should of been more specific in your thread title about the type of competitive body building were talkin about here.

[AlphaGenetics]

I am saying I competed for over 15 years 100% natural, and yes the pic in my avatar was from 100% natural training with zero AAS at a natural show which I was also tested at.

Nice job. Ill stop hijacking now.

[FireGuy]

Let me say, I am not trying to promote myself by any means. I am an "average" bodybuilder who has been at it for several years. It just pi$$es me off when people assume you have to use steroids to have a good physique or be competitive at a bodybuilding contest. I have average genetics and an above average work ethic. This alone (and precise dieting) enabled me to place ahead of many guys who were not natural when I was. Hell Ty357 could destroy 90% of the guys in this site in a bodybuilding contest and he is (well was) all natural as well.

[magic32]

Because some people have a sense of dignity and know that competing on AAS against natural guys in a "natural show" makes you a cheater.

"Some" being the operant word here, because many don't possess such ethics and do indeed use then clean up...several of whom I know!

Kudos to you Fire!

[BIG_GUNS_21]

There are natural bodybuilders hormone wise, yes...Although I do not think there are any clean professinal competitive bodybuilders. But completely clean bodybuilders...Everyone using something and my def of 100% natural may be different than others. That is why IMO bbing would never be in the olympics like the Weiders wanted it to be. Even natural bodybuilders use things like ECA stacks and things (albeit legal) to get water out from under the skin.

Just my opinion and I may be wrong...But there are a lot of natural bodybuilders using things that are legal but not natrual. Its just not a natural sport to me.

Wrong, there are many competitive bodybuilders who compete or competed 100% natural, me being one of them.

[FireGuy]

Thanks Magic. That has always been my "Hot Button". I have never been against AAS usage ever, even when I was competing in natural shows. Just stay the hell out of them if you are "on". I will never understand how anyone could derive an ounce of gratification competing against people on an unlevel playing field.

[FireGuy]

There are natural bodybuilders hormone wise, yes...Although I do not think there are any clean professinal competitive bodybuilders. But completely clean bodybuilders...Everyone using something and my def of 100% natural may be different than others. That is why IMO bbing would never be in the olympics like the Weiders wanted it to be. Even natural bodybuilders use things like ECA stacks and things (albeit legal) to get water out from under the skin.

Just my opinion and I may be wrong...But there are a lot of natural bodybuilders using things that are legal but not natrual. Its just not a natural sport to me.

Oh god, please dont go there with this. I have heard this too, "well protein powders and creatine arent natural either". There is no need for symantics here, natural shows are very specific, No Steroids, No HGH, No Diuretics other than herbal. Pretty simple rules. To me this is just another way people try to blur the lines and rationalyze things.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

No disrespect! I admire you for being a natural bodybuilder. Its gotta be one of the hardest sports to compete in naturally especially when there are so many natural bodybuilders who use aas which must be frusterating to say the least. I just want to make it clear for the person doing the research that infact just about everyone does something in bodybuilding that could be classed as "not 100% natural" so its just another option for his research to look into natural bodybuilding and what effects things like ECA stacks and herbal diuretics and what effect they have. Again I didnt mean to call you out...its just another way for him to look at it in his research.

Oh god, please dont go there with this. I have heard this too, "well protein powders and creatine arent natural either". There is no need for symantics here, natural shows are very specific, No Steroids, No HGH, No Diuretics other than herbal. Pretty simple rules. To me this is just another way people try to blur the lines and rationalyze things.

[FireGuy]

No disrespect! I admire you for being a natural bodybuilder. Its gotta be one of the hardest sports to compete in naturally especially when there are so many natural bodybuilders who use aas which must be frusterating to say the least. I just want to make it clear for the person doing the research that infact just about everyone does something in bodybuilding that could be classed as "not 100% natural" so its just another option for his research to look into natural bodybuilding and what effects things like ECA stacks and herbal diuretics and what effect they have. Again I didnt mean to call you out...its just another way for him to look at it in his research.

No disrespect taken at all. Just a healthy debate which I love. Let me emphasize again. I competed (past tense) as a natural bodybuilder for 15 years. I no longer enter natural shows. I dont want anyone glancing over this thread and drawing wrong conclusions. AAS users claiming to be natural bothers me almost as much as it does when they enter natural shows.

[George]

Natural bodybuilding is like the special olympics...
fun to watch but no one wants to compete in it

[c-Z]

Fire guy your an inspiration to all natural guys bro.....

As stated there are various different competitions... It wouldn't be fair at all for a natural guy to go up against someone who isnt...

That isn't really like the special Olympics. I find it to be more impressive to see guys like fireguy and ty in such great shape for bodybuilding naturally. Its all by choice. If these guys were to run a cycle they would blow up since they know how to diet and what works best for them.

Now if your talking about guys like cutler, coleman and all them guys.... Now obviously steroids are needed to reach that. As well as insane genetics etc...

[PC650]

Natural bodybuilding is like the special olympics...
fun to watch but no one wants to compete in it

lol

[ty357]

Let me say, I am not trying to promote myself by any means. I am an "average" bodybuilder who has been at it for several years. It just pi$$es me off when people assume you have to use steroids to have a good physique or be competitive at a bodybuilding contest. I have average genetics and an above average work ethic. This alone (and precise dieting) enabled me to place ahead of many guys who were not natural when I was. Hell Ty357 could destroy 90% of the guys in this site in a bodybuilding contest and he is (well was) all natural as well.

I feel you fireguy everyone who seen my before pics swore to god i was on gear. Its like a slap in the face of all the hard work you put in and people still doubt you, but your boy ty takes it as a compliment lol. And for the record im currently been walking on the darkside for 5weeks lol. And to those my avy is me natural

[FireGuy]

Natural bodybuilding is like the special olympics...
fun to watch but no one wants to compete in it

I can understand why you must feel that way. Seeing a bunch of guys who look better than you when you are on and they are natural cant be great for the ego.
Edited (Apologies, that was uncalled for)

[Hollywood2]

To get back to your original question Achilles, I'd say probably 25% of "natural" bodybuilders juice, hoping to get a win vs actual natural bodybuilders. 100% of bodybuilders who don't enter natural shows juice, without a doubt.

[Bossman]

To get back to your original question Achilles, I'd say probably 25% of "natural" bodybuilders juice, hoping to get a win vs actual natural bodybuilders. 100% of bodybuilders who don't enter natural shows juice, without a doubt.

That's an absolute SWAG(silly wild ass guess).

I know several people that are completely natural that have competed in tested NPC shows. In fact, I coached a natural competitor who won his division in his first NPC National Qualifier last year (his first year competing) and then went on to place 9th at the JR Nationals. His goal this year is to become a natural pro under a different organization.

[FireGuy]

^^Yep, I competed in several untested shows when I was natural and still always placed top 5.

[FireGuy]

I am wondering how many people who are commenting in this thread have ever competed in a bodybuilding show in their life? Some really uninformed responses being put out there.

[Bossman]

I am wondering how many people who are commenting in this thread have ever competed in a bodybuilding show in their life? Some really uninformed responses being put out there.

Agreed, my first NPC show I placed 2nd out of 13 in the middle weight class completely natural. The guy who beat me was not natural. That was one of the reasons I debated on using AAS.

[FireGuy]

There is definately a mindset among guys who are using that if anyone looks better than them they must be using as well. Natural guys can be like that a bit as well but not nearly to the extent of those on AAS. Guys who are on just cant seem to accept the fact that a natural guy can still look better than them yet it happens quite often.

[Achilles2388]

I'm loving this debate, it's great to get the views from the two sides of the spectrum!

[Bossman]

There is definately a mindset among guys who are using that if anyone looks better than them they must be using as well. Natural guys can be like that a bit as well but not nearly to the extent of those on AAS. Guys who are on just cant seem to accept the fact that a natural guy can still look better than them yet it happens quite often.

LOL, I have to admit, it's a little depressing when I see a natural guy come into a contest in better shape then me when Im using 3 different AAS, GH, Clen and then some! But that's genetics for you...