Ecdysterone
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The reasons why this substance is not working is purity on bodybuilding com i found this thread
http://*************.com/forum/sciva...ht=ecdysterone
that can be helpful for who wants to try really this substance:
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You dont need high doses of ecdysterone like 1500mgs a day to see result if you do your taking junk low quality stuff. You can get great results off as little as 75mgs per day of high quality ecdysterone.
I have found couple of products that are very pure one is called Retibol by a swedish company call Eiselt.
http://www.eiselt.co.uk/products/Retibol.htm
it's made in Sweden by a very reputable company that produces high quality products, and it's very well known that European supplement companies are held to the highest standards when it comes to supplement production, in fact they are regulated for potency and quality control just like drug companies are regulated here in the USA.
the other product infact a pharmacological product sold only in Russia containing 5mg of 20-Hydroxyecdysone.
the link is here
http://www.life-extension-drugs.com/ecdysten.html.
this is classed as a drug in russia not a supp!
What you have to understand is ecdy's got a bad rap because most of the supps that came out in the usa were a scam and claimed high dose's when infact they had very little of the actual active ingrediant in them. The active ingrediant is 20-Hydroxyecdysone. Its all very well saying it has 200mgs of ecdysterone but this does not mean its 20-Hydroxyecdysone. There has never been a product on the market that containes 200mgs of that!
Here is more info i found that makes interesting reading, There are from old archived posts from years ago around 2001.
Bodybuilding.com's Message Boards: Supplements: All posts de****g with General Questions: Ecdysterone Anyone?
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By Dominik ( - 209.239.68.214) on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 12:31 am: Edit
Syntrabol is definately ineffective, praubably because it doesn't contain 20-Hydroxyecdysone but some other substance called "isoinokosterone". This is some ecdysteroid with -OH group at position 20, and I hear it is produced in China.
Products should be standardised for substance 20-Hydroxyecdysone and NOT "isoinokosterone" or "20-Hydroxyecdysterone". Isoinokosterone was never mentioned in scientific literature, and 20-Hydroxyecdysterone could stand for any ecdysteroid with -OH at position 20.
However, I had (and still have) incredible results with Retibol from Eiselt, while others reported solid gains from Zebutol (Zoe discoveries).
My recomendation for you is to do a little research of what is available on the market, and always think twice before you buy it. Tere are some good 20-HE products out there and many fraudulent as well, so make sure that you pick the right one.
By Anonymous ( - 204.186.166.244) on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:05 pm: Edit
hmm this is getting interesting!
"By Dominik ( - 209.239.68.213) on Monday, November 20, 2000 - 10:08 pm: Edit
Sumax-5, Ecdysten and super PFAx are natural plant extracts containing ecdysteroids. The main active principle in all three of them is substance known as 20-Hydroxyecdysone, Polypodyne-A or Beta ecdysterone. Sumax-5 is actualy an extract of Pfaffia paniculata (Suma), and it contains 5% of 20-Hydroxyecdysone. Super PFAx is a product containing both Sumax-5 (200mg) and Suma powder, and it is manufactured by a company called "Health research inc." Ecdysten is a completely different product, and it contains standardised extract of Rhaponticum carthamoides. Each tablet of Ecdysten contains 5mg of 20-Hydroxyecdysone. Ecdysten is a pharmacological product sold only in Russia, and I believe that it is one of the very best natural performance-enhancing drugs on the market. However, good ecdysteroid products (ones that are not fake) are very hard to find these days. You could also buy some z-mass PM, and give it a try, but I'm warning you that this product is not standardised for anything except zinc and magnesium.
And finaly, if you want to read comercial info on Sumax-5
By Dominik ( - 209.239.68.213) on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 11:47 pm: Edit
I have seen results within first week of taking 20HE. It was something like 8 pounds, haven't lost a pound after a cycle.
Well, it wasn't actualy Ecdybol, but Retibol from Eiselt (Sweden). 72mg/day was the dose (6 capsules a 12mg).
To be honest, nothing actualy worked for me before, tried prohormones (all kinds including Nandrosol), creatine, flavones...nada. Only this stuff worked as anabolic aid. And yeah, also tried Syntrabol. It's a crap also.
This Dominik guy really seems to know what he is talking about Im trying to track him down but its looking unlikly!
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I will try retibol soon http://www.eiselt.co.uk/products/Retibol.htm and will write a log
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