On for 2 years with little to no breaks, 20 years old, Endo says it will take time..

[mikeloop]

Hey guys, what's up! You may remember me posting a topic of myself trying to push my family doctor to refer me to an endocrinologist. I went on and stayed on for a good 2 years and a month or two, and when I didn't just change compounds, I would take 1 week after doing a PCT and hop back on (stupid I know you don't have to tell me). Anyways I am 20 years old and just saw my endo today after a stupid long wait here in Canada.

When I came off in Feb or March (can't remember but was first couple months into 2011) I ran two two big PCT's.. before running the clom and nolva for 8 weeks I ran a bit of HCG... then didn't feel up to par so I ran another PCT that was armidex and clomid AND nolva and still had some blood work done.. below are the results


the free test ranges were 15.6 - 146 PMOL/L and my free T came in at 51 pMoLs

and the total T ranges were 6.0 - 27 NMOL/L... and my came in at 9.2 nMoLs



I was thinking of running a 6 week clomd @ maybe 50mg and see where I'm at when 2012 comes around BUT my doctor seems to think it will take even more time which at this point I'm sick of hearing.. but I want to hear what you guys think? I mean I know I was on for so long so the supression could still be lingering and it could just take more time?

He told me to get more blood work in come February 2012 and then get re-referred if my levels have not boosted from 51 pMoLs...

I just don't want the clomid to **** me over even more than I already am..

Thanks guys!! Sorry for the long post!!

[Bonaparte]

Marcus just jizzed in his pants while reading this thread over his breakfast of tea and scones (I presume)
(though I'm sure he feels very bad for you as a person)

[Granovich]

dude u cant do anything about it. do what the doctor says. dont just take drugs without knowing whats going on.....and you are 20 no steroids for u for at least 5-6 years ..
i would focus on getting better and back to normal

[songdog]

So let me get this stright.You ignored advise people here gave you? So now your fuked.Sympathy is right next to sh1t in the dictionary.You should sread your intellengence or lack of to other up and coming know it alls.

[The Titan99]

Marcus just jizzed in his pants while reading this thread over his breakfast of tea and scones (I presume)
(though I'm sure he feels very bad for you as a person)

[markdbg]

do what the doctor says first of all, amiridex is not a good pct drug aswell, not to mention arimidex+ nolva would just be overkill.... your body still needs estrogen.

if i was you id run a long pct from the start. if i was you id run more hcg 1000 IU's a day everyday for 15-20 days.

for clomid and nolva id do
week one- (day one 300mg) day two(200mgs) rest of the week 100 mgs, 40 mgs of nolva
week two-100 mgs,20 mgs of nolva
week three-100mgs,20mgs of nolva
week four-50mgs-10mgs of nolva
week five-50mgs1,10 mgs of nolva
week six-50mgs,10mgs of nolva

by then you should be back on track, if not nothing but time or hrt/trt will save you

and to songdog, every post i see u make on these forums is about how young they are and basically you calling them stupid for cycling. whats the point in posting if you dont try and help them?

[songdog]

No we dont give young kids advise on cycling.Do you see Marcus Haz Matt.No and there is a reason.So take it up with them!

[yungone501]

Off the defense songdog...it's cool man. He's right, it's okay to be corrective and informative but not go to such extents as being immature about things.

[chuckt12345]

damn sondog, chill out

OP,, your just gonna have to be patient and stay off the aas.

[ghettoboyd]

damn sondog, chill out

OP,, your just gonna have to be patient and stay off the aas.

you are all assuming sence he's young that he will bounce back but in reallity he may have screwed himself over for life cus he started aas when he was just 18yrs old while his hpta was still developing...thats the exact reason why we all parrot the no use till 25 guidline...so not to compleatly defend songdog but he was right in saying what the op did was stupid/reckless... we promote resposible use of aas here and i realize this is not a popular belief with you young peeps but it is what it is...

[sixey]

jesus fcuk i swear half of you guys sit around waiting for threads with younger guys using to pop up, just so can bitch them out for being "stupid and immature", get a grip. im pretty sure the fact that the kid knows he has fcuked up his endocrine system/has problems now, is enough to have taught him a lesson, he doesnt need you phaggots scolding him.

OP, did you tell the doc that you used AAS for 2 years?

[lovbyts]

So let me get this stright.You ignored advise people here gave you? So now your fuked.Sympathy is right next to sh1t in the dictionary.You should sread your intellengence or lack of to other up and coming know it alls.

No you find sympathy in the dictionary in between Sh*t and syphilis.

2 years, wow. Well it's time to get familiar with the search feature. There are a couple of post from people who ran extended cycles and had to do some extreme PCT but eventually got things working again. I think I remember one or two in the HRT section.

Good luck but dumb move. Another it wont/cant happen to me thread.

[chuckt12345]

so someone who screwed up and admits it, comes on here looking for advice should get reemed and bitchd at all the while not answering his question? Plenty better ways to get the point across than some of these posters on here. I didnt say he did or did not screw himself up, all i advise was to wait and let his body recover naturally.

[lovbyts]

so someone who screwed up and admits it, comes on here looking for advice should get reemed and bitchd at all the while not answering his question? Plenty better ways to get the point across than some of these posters on here. I didnt say he did or did not screw himself up, all i advise was to wait and let his body recover naturally.

Well it's the same someone who came looking for advice 2 years ago and didn't/wouldn't take it then. How many have you read where when given good advice they basically say FU and then know better? Yeah it's fun sometimes even though they admit they screwed up to say TOLD YOU SO!!!!

[songdog]

Ok yall right I need to mellow out.No sleep last nite and it just drives me crazy when these kids dont listen and act cocky.Then come back hat in hand.But yall right I need to chill

[lovbyts]

Ok yall right I need to mellow out.No sleep last nite and it just drives me crazy when these kids dont listen and act cocky.Then come back hat in hand.But yall right I need to chill

No, I say your fine, you are just saying it like it and like most everyone is thinking. I'm sure Matt is shaking his head as he reads this a may not even respond since so many of us have said what needed said. Now it's time for the OP to man up (or not) and do his homework.

[dec11]

you did the crime, now its time to do the time. all you can do is wait and pray things improve, i wouldnt go do anything until you've asked swifto what he reckons, if anyone can put you on a right track, he can. im in the non recovery position myself and wish i'd never started now and i wish all you youngsters would listen

do us a favour, everytime you see a title on here, 'im young and want to run a cycle' link this thread in it

[Gi812Many]

Hopefully you don't turn out like I did....I did them from 17-22 pretty consistent.

[mikeloop]

jesus fcuk i swear half of you guys sit around waiting for threads with younger guys using to pop up, just so can bitch them out for being "stupid and immature", get a grip. im pretty sure the fact that the kid knows he has fcuked up his endocrine system/has problems now, is enough to have taught him a lesson, he doesnt need you phaggots scolding him.

OP, did you tell the doc that you used AAS for 2 years?

Yes my Doc knows my history.. he reckons I just take time off and get blood work done,

Do you think that another PCT would just cause me to work backwards at this time? I did the two bigger pct's last summer so I mean another one would be over kill no? Maybe I just need time?

Hopefully you don't turn out like I did....I did them from 17-22 pretty consistent.

[pheenyx1]

We all know the kid screwed up. The kid knows he screwed up. He was 18. I don't know about you guys, but I was an idiot when I was 18.I think we should be thrilled that he. Came back at all, for his sake, so he has the best chance of minimizing the damage, and as an example to all the other kids who are about to make the same mistake.

[mikeloop]

Thank you dude! ^^ Like Ive said over and over I have come to existence of my wrong doing, and I just pray that this helps atleast one kid thinking of hopping on!

[carbo]

Congratulations, your results are within normal range.

I'm assuming you did not do BW before your started with AAS use, so it's a bit pointless to speculate how much more PCT you need or what other drugs you should be taking.

[Tbound]

I did the same thing when I was your age....for about the same amount of time and it just takes time to get all of your s*it back in check..... I ran basically nonstop from 1988 until around 1991 and at that time nobody knew of any PCT so I didn't take anything...just quit cold turkey. I went thru some serious depression afterwards but mine came mostly because of the mirror. About a good solid year later I was back to feeling better and started to get gains again(naturally). I made some pretty good gains thru the years without ASS so I guess I didn't to too much harm........BUT! I'm 40 now AND on HRT....something I probably could have used sevral years ago but never had checked out. All should be good man.....You(and I) learned a valuable lesson about running this mess so early in life.

[ghettoboyd]

Thank you dude! ^^ Like Ive said over and over I have come to existence of my wrong doing, and I just pray that this helps atleast one kid thinking of hopping on!

thats the point soundog was trying to make in his original post...hopefully other young guys will learn from yours and others mistakes...in the meantime insted of soliciting random peeps advise at this stage of your recovery id definitly be consulting doctors/specalists in this kind of thing and if they arnt helping you then see another endo...eventually you will find one that cares enough to help you and your situation...goodluck bro...

[mikeloop]

Congratulations, your results are within normal range.

I'm assuming you did not do BW before your started with AAS use, so it's a bit pointless to speculate how much more PCT you need or what other drugs you should be taking.

thats the point soundog was trying to make in his original post...hopefully other young guys will learn from yours and others mistakes...in the meantime insted of soliciting random peeps advise at this stage of your recovery id definitly be consulting doctors/specalists in this kind of thing and if they arnt helping you then see another endo...eventually you will find one that cares enough to help you and your situation...goodluck bro...

Thanks for both your posts!

Do you think that running clomid would just cause me to work backwards? I should probably just follow endo orders and retest in Jan and see where I'm at.. if not I'm sure he will start doing things, he seemed very helpful and understanding so... I think running clomid would make me work backwards at this point, no?

[ghettoboyd]

Thanks for both your posts!

Do you think that running clomid would just cause me to work backwards? I should probably just follow endo orders and retest in Jan and see where I'm at.. if not I'm sure he will start doing things, he seemed very helpful and understanding so... I think running clomid would make me work backwards at this point, no?

i really dont know man i suppose you could try another serm to try to kickstart the testes but im realy thinking that you have 2 choices, give it more time(reccomended if you really want to try to get back to normal) or accept the fact that you may need hrt and move in that direction if the endo is willing...again goodluck...

[mikeloop]

i really dont know man i suppose you could try another serm to try to kickstart the testes but im realy thinking that you have 2 choices, give it more time(reccomended if you really want to try to get back to normal) or accept the fact that you may need hrt and move in that direction if the endo is willing...again goodluck...

Definitely want to hold off on TRT.. and you said reccomended time off if I want to be back to normal meaning hold off on the extra PCT eh and see if possibly my doc will give me pharm clomd or whatever he suggests in the new year?

[dec11]

jesus fcuk i swear half of you guys sit around waiting for threads with younger guys using to pop up, just so can bitch them out for being "stupid and immature", get a grip. im pretty sure the fact that the kid knows he has fcuked up his endocrine system/has problems now, is enough to have taught him a lesson, he doesnt need you phaggots scolding him.

OP, did you tell the doc that you used AAS for 2 years?

your also very mature i see.
we discourage for a reason and when they dont listen and come back with these problems of course members will shake their heads

[chuckt12345]

just give it time,, could take 6 months to get back to normal. If you are still real low in a year or so, maybe look to other alternatives. IMO i wouldnt put any more hormone altering chemicals in your body for now.

[mikeloop]

just give it time,, could take 6 months to get back to normal. If you are still real low in a year or so, maybe look to other alternatives. IMO i wouldnt put any more hormone altering chemicals in your body for now.

Thats exactly what I was thinking, more chemicals may work against me now.. just feel good being CLEAN for once in the last few years. IT will be 1 year since my last PCT this September 2nd. But I was told by the endo it could take another 6 months to a year for my levels to finally stop increasing...

Those alternatives would include possibly some clom/nolva etc that he would perscribe ? (I dont meant HRT, what others are there)?

[gixxerboy1]

Thats exactly what I was thinking, more chemicals may work against me now.. just feel good being CLEAN for once in the last few years. IT will be 1 year since my last PCT this September 2nd. But I was told by the endo it could take another 6 months to a year for my levels to finally stop increasing...

Those alternatives would include possibly some clom/nolva etc that he would perscribe ? (I dont meant HRT, what others are there)?

there are things. Dont worry about that now. Just wait and see and do what the dr tells you

[chuckt12345]

thought you said you came off beg of 2011 and ran 8 wk of pct?

[mikeloop]

thought you said you came off beg of 2011 and ran 8 wk of pct?

I came off I'm guessing around late March, Feb was just a ball park.. looking at calender and shit right now and its looking like late march or early to mid April.

between waiting for the ester to clear while doing hcg and then doing the actual 8 week PCT first.. then waiting a little bit and doing another PCT it has been since September 2010. Holy shit that's my bad I totally wrote the wrong year.. it was 2010 NOT 2011.. so 1 year anniversary is September 2nd this year from my last PCT.

Woops I did state 1 year anniversary in my post, but I just typed the 2011 by accident, so hope it didn't detour you, my bad guys

[chuckt12345]

then thats a big def,, yea prb good chance you damaged your HPTA. I wouldnt stress to much about it but it something you may have to deal with later.

[mikeloop]

then thats a big def,, yea prb good chance you damaged your HPTA. I wouldnt stress to much about it but it something you may have to deal with later.

For sure, but this August marks 11 months since last PCT. So Im thinking I still have atleast another 6 months of recovery to do. No?

[Lemonada8]

armidex isnt good to run on a PCT, it is a competitive inhibitor not a suicide inhibitor *like aromasin*. Very possible you had a estro rebound, and since u began so early (im guessing ur a late bloomer cuz u felt u had to juice at 18) you may have cut ur peak of natty test off.

I would just wait it out, with your age you should bounce back naturally.

If you take clomid, take nolva with it and run the nolva 2 weeks longer than the clomid to prevent a rebound. I dont advise this, but if ur dead set on doing something, i'd rather help u try to prevent a further problem. I would just wait it out, and eat healthy. You have normal levels of test, yes on the low side but still within normal.

[mikeloop]

armidex isnt good to run on a PCT, it is a competitive inhibitor not a suicide inhibitor *like aromasin*. Very possible you had a estro rebound, and since u began so early (im guessing ur a late bloomer cuz u felt u had to juice at 18) you may have cut ur peak of natty test off.

I would just wait it out, with your age you should bounce back naturally.

If you take clomid, take nolva with it and run the nolva 2 weeks longer than the clomid to prevent a rebound. I dont advise this, but if ur dead set on doing something, i'd rather help u try to prevent a further problem. I would just wait it out, and eat healthy. You have normal levels of test, yes on the low side but still within normal.

Thank you for the reassurance !! but Yes I definitely DO NOT want to run anymore chemicals ... I should be alright, not the best of levels but they should be avg within 6 months Im guessing.. youd suggest just staying clean then eh

[jackedbatman]

helpful read guys, I started young as well about 18 with orals, started injections at 22, did my pcts, eveything seems normal, kidney and liver function, best bet is to wait and see what your body tells you.

[Far from massive]

To the OP, I would say you are very fortunate to have the levels that you now have after 2 solid years of juicing. Take the docs advice and give your body a chance to continue to recover I don't think repeated PCT's this far after the fact will bear long term results (though they may cause a temporary jump which if you get blood work taken a month after the PCT could be misleading). I would listen to the doc and give your body time to recover as another PCT could very well interfere with your bodies natural recovery.

[mikeloop]

To the OP, I would say you are very fortunate to have the levels that you now have after 2 solid years of juicing. Take the docs advice and give your body a chance to continue to recover I don't think repeated PCT's this far after the fact will bear long term results (though they may cause a temporary jump which if you get blood work taken a month after the PCT could be misleading). I would listen to the doc and give your body time to recover as another PCT could very well interfere with your bodies natural recovery.

Sounds good, the advice I needed, thanks!!