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    2nd cycle, want to get it perfect

    I'm 21, ectomorph.
    6'2
    180lbs
    bf%: I'm not quite sure but my best guess is 9-10%. My abs are fairly visible but they aren't glaringly obvious.

    I'm planning on starting my second cycle fairly soon within the next 3-4 weeks. My first cycle was sustanon250 at 250mg/10 weeks, inject once a week/every 7 days. I gained roughly 15lbs and kept probably 5 of them.

    You guys will be happy to hear I researched until my eyes hurt and got a PCT and liver supporter/anti-estrogen from a local nutrition/fitness store before starting. Not quite sure of the exact ingredients but they were manufactured by Legal Limit Labs for what it's worth. I never had any bloodwork done but my johnson still works, I still like having sex, I have the motivation to accomplish things, and my chest looks great with no signs of gyno and my nips never itched during the cycle or pct. I took 1 pill liver supporter/anti-estrogen every night before bed out of fear of gyno and liver disease. Never even waited for a warning sign to occur.

    That said, I made my share of mistakes like others do their first time. Due to my current living conditions I was bored out of my mind at my parents house back from college and lifted every day to give me something to do, and during weeks 7-8 my house at college had an asbestos problem so I had to sleep on my friends couch. I was broke as shit and jobless limiting my nutrition to essentially lots peanut butter and a few eggs a day. Yeah, right when I make the most gains. It's 5 months later and I'm still pissed. The combination of overworking my muscles and low calories/shit nutrition is probably where my extra 15lbs I was expecting and never saw went.

    So I ask for help and advice to make this cycle perfect. I have about $250 to spend. I'm planning on

    Sustanon250, 500mg/10weeks, inject twice a week, every 4-5 days
    Nolvadex as my pct. 40mg for 2 weeks daily, 20mg for next 2 weeks daily.

    I've cleaned up my nutrition and learned to count macros. My diet is essentially only grilled chicken, brown rice, oatmeal, pb&j, and eggs. I try and eat every 3 hours, etc. I hear I don't need a liver supporter and milk thistle with absolutely no alcohol will work fine, and keep extra nolvadex on hand if your nips start to itch/puff up.

    I liked the [minimal] results of what I tried first so I figured I'd up the dosage instead of screwing with different types and now that my nutrition is significantly better and I had a good crash course first cycle I wanna try to gain about 30lbs and keep 15-20lbs.

    Any help or advice is greatly appreciated, mostly towards proper PCT dosing, what I do EXACTLY if I think I'm getting gyno, and the liver support deal. Those are the haziest things as everything first cycle was made fairly easy. Thanks guys.

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    HA!!! I like ur screen name............

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    I haven't done as much research as you yet, but I"m curious why you made the comment about no alchohol. What's the concern there?

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    Haha, thanks man.

    No alcohol because steroids are already tough on your liver. On top of that it just screws with your nutrition/gains. It's just a smart idea not to.

    Any input regarding my original post?

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    your getting your nolvadex from a pharmacy or research lab, right? not that junk you buy at GNC or those stores..

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwrestlebears View Post
    Haha, thanks man.

    No alcohol because steroids are already tough on your liver. On top of that it just screws with your nutrition/gains. It's just a smart idea not to.

    Any input regarding my original post?
    Un4tunately, ur a bit 2 yung to cycle bro. Cycling @ ur age, significantly increases the risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 ur undeveloped Endocrine ? HPTA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwrestlebears
    I'm 21, ectomorph.
    6'2
    180lbs
    bf%: I'm not quite sure but my best guess is 9-10%. My abs are fairly visible but they aren't glaringly obvious.

    You guys will be happy to hear I researched until my eyes hurt and got a PCT and liver supporter/anti-estrogen from a local nutrition/fitness store before starting.
    too young, too light.. Anti-estrogen from a fitness store??????? A big no no!

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    The Bear, explain more if you don't mind. I'm serious. I have that thought in the back of my head. I've heard enough horror stories, while I was smart enough to research and use a [edit] I'm considering quitting while I'm ahead.
    Last edited by iwrestlebears; 01-02-2012 at 10:16 PM.

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    You can get an AI from a nutrition store. Those stores also usually sell more advanced supps like pro hormones, pcts, test boosters and hcg. If you trust the guy and look at the ingredients you shouldn't have a problem with the AI you got from the store. What is the PCT and AI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGuy90
    You can get an AI from a nutrition store. Those stores also usually sell more advanced supps like pro hormones, pcts, test boosters and hcg. If you trust the guy and look at the ingredients you shouldn't have a problem with the AI you got from the store. What is the PCT and AI?
    I'm from Aus, so I wish they did over here

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwrestlebears View Post
    The Bear, explain more if you don't mind. I'm serious. I have that thought in the back of my head. I've heard enough horror stories, while I was smart enough to research and use a [edit] I'm considering quitting while I'm ahead.
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g-and-Steroids...............http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...8Great-Read%29

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