First cycle. Test Prop/Deca/Dbol... what should I expect?

[firefive]

I am 22 yrs. old, I've been training for 3 years now. I am a natural athlete played basketball and soccer my whole life. I am 6feets and weight 150 pds wide shoulders, thin waist, thin legs. Started my first cycle about 4 weeks ago, this is the plan...

Weeks 1-3 Dbol 50mg/day ED
Weeks 3-15 Test prop. 300Mg/w (1 shots of 150mg every 3.5 days)
Weeks 3-13 Deca 400mg/w (1 shot of 200mg eveery 3.5 days)

I'm currently in week 5, finished with dbol and had my 5th injection of test prop+deca yesterday...
im curious to know when will the results show ? I got some strengh gains and packed about 7 pounds...and how much total gain should i expect ?

[Noles12]

That is a terrible looking cycle. YOu need to step back and do some research.

For your height, 150 pounds tells me you have not built much of a base which usually comes back to diet and training. Theses things need to be perfected before even considering a cycle

[dumbtoad]

Sounds like the results are already showing. Being your first cycle, you should get pretty good results. Gains are highly diet and workout dependant, so there isn't really any way to predict your outcome. If you get some pct you'll keep more gains.

[TraPump]

That is a terrible looking cycle. YOu need to step back and do some research.

For your height, 150 pounds tells me you have not built much of a base which usually comes back to diet and training. Theses things need to be perfected before even considering a cycle

Ya I'm no pro at this but even I know that's not a good cycle. My first cycle starts next week. I'm 6'4" 220 lbs 17%bf. mine goes as follows. Weeks 1-4: dbol 20mg Ed; weeks 1-8 test cyp at 350mg a week. With an hcg inj of 500iu at week 5 and arimidex .5 mg after week 3-4 through to pct with nolva. That's it. Keeping it simple and starting low, I've already got great natural gains from proper diet and nutrition and training forthe last two years and I'm expecting good gains from this simple beginner cycle.

[boxa06]

I am 22 yrs. old, I've been training for 3 years now. I am a natural athlete played basketball and soccer my whole life. I am 6feets and weight 150 pds wide shoulders, thin waist, thin legs. Started my first cycle about 4 weeks ago, this is the plan...

Weeks 1-3 Dbol 50mg/day ED
Weeks 3-15 Test prop. 300Mg/w (1 shots of 150mg every 3.5 days)
Weeks 3-13 Deca 400mg/w (1 shot of 200mg eveery 3.5 days)

I'm currently in week 5, finished with dbol and had my 5th injection of test prop+deca yesterday...
im curious to know when will the results show ? I got some strengh gains and packed about 7 pounds...and how much total gain should i expect ?

I agree with Noles12!

Also because of your age check this out
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.Tzc-6IlhjTo

Besides that what about pct???

[TraPump]

And the arimidex will be takin eod.

[firefive]

I plan on taking a PCT 2 weeks after my cycle is over, I eat clean but could go a little higher on calories.

[Noles12]

I plan on taking a PCT 2 weeks after my cycle is over, I eat clean but could go a little higher on calories.

At 6'0 150 your calories are no where near where they need to be. What is your exact diet now meal by meal?

[auswest]

Ya I'm no pro at this but even I know that's not a good cycle. My first cycle starts next week. I'm 6'4" 220 lbs 17%bf. mine goes as follows. Weeks 1-4: dbol 20mg Ed; weeks 1-8 test cyp at 350mg a week. With an hcg inj of 500iu at week 5 and arimidex .5 mg after week 3-4 through to pct with nolva. That's it. Keeping it simple and starting low, I've already got great natural gains from proper diet and nutrition and training forthe last two years and I'm expecting good gains from this simple beginner cycle.

weeks 1-8 test c @ 350mg seems like a nice waste of time and money.
to the op, good job reaching your natural limitations before choosing to cycle!

[auswest]

you are running pct 2 Weeks after your last prop injection ?? may want to research that.

[Bulkn]

Stop now, you're doing it all wrong! Plus you're too young and have no base!!!

[TraPump]

weeks 1-8 test c @ 350mg seems like a nice waste of time and money.
to the op, good job reaching your natural limitations before choosing to cycle!

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Seriously? I was expecting to see some decent manageable gains from this first cycle. Stacking with dbol the first four weeks should be a good way to jump start it. I'm not looking to be the hulk on my first cycle. You don't think I'll see gains running this aus?

[gearbox]

Op obviously doesn't care to hear advise. But I would definitely research more before starting anything

[auswest]

Seriously? I was expecting to see some decent manageable gains from this first cycle. Stacking with dbol the first four weeks should be a good way to jump start it. I'm not looking to be the hulk on my first cycle. You don't think I'll see gains running this aus?

8 weeks for such a long ester is too short really, I have never ran it myself but apparently kicks in from weeks 4 -6 depending on dosage and person I would be aiming for 12 weeks with test c 8 weeks is more of a prop length cycle

[pheenyx1]

No offense, but this isnt a good first cycle. It isnt even a good cycle, but it is a terrible first cycle. Im going to list the problems i see right off.
Prop needs to be injected ed. You are seesawing your blood levels.
Too many compounds for a first cycle.
You dont have the base for a cycle.
Your diet cant be in line at 150/6'
No pct
You need hcg oct
Most important, you are to young.
Research post cycle therapy and get off.

[boxa06]

8 weeks for such a long ester is too short really, I have never ran it myself but apparently kicks in from weeks 4 -6 depending on dosage and person I would be aiming for 12 weeks with test c 8 weeks is more of a prop length cycle

Have to agree. Run for 12 weeks as you'll only find it really starts to kick in at week 6.

[TraPump]

8 weeks for such a long ester is too short really, I have never ran it myself but apparently kicks in from weeks 4 -6 depending on dosage and person I would be aiming for 12 weeks with test c 8 weeks is more of a prop length cycle

Have to agree. Run for 12 weeks as you'll only find it really starts to kick in at week 6.

Thank you aus that is great to know ill be taking both your advice and extending my test c use through 12 weeks.

[KingMePlease]

Hey fire, whats your email? I need to ask you something. That is if it is not against the TOU

[Noles12]

I would recommend you take down your emil. It will just lead to a lot of spamming. What is it that you need to ask him that cannot be posted on the open board?

It seems a little suspicious

[DanB]

your going to have scammers contacting you mate id edit that out

[KingMePlease]

Okay, thanks again lol...

[DemonInside]

dbol seems a bit high for a first timer, that 7 lbs is probably mostly water from the dbol.

def didnt do enough research bro

[magicstick2003]

I am 22 yrs. old, I've been training for 3 years now. I am a natural athlete played basketball and soccer my whole life. I am 6feets and weight 150 pds wide shoulders, thin waist, thin legs. Started my first cycle about 4 weeks ago, this is the plan...

Weeks 1-3 Dbol 50mg/day ED
Weeks 3-15 Test prop. 300Mg/w (1 shots of 150mg every 3.5 days)
Weeks 3-13 Deca 400mg/w (1 shot of 200mg eveery 3.5 days)

I'm currently in week 5, finished with dbol and had my 5th injection of test prop+deca yesterday...
im curious to know when will the results show ? I got some strengh gains and packed about 7 pounds...and how much total gain should i expect ?

Agree with the rest that you need to get more of a base and gain naturally as your still developing and could run the risk of negatively impacting your endocrine system.. nobody wants to be on HRT cause they were impatient and jumped on a cycle messing themselves up..

with that said, the cycle also looks pretty bad, especially for a first time user. your dosing times are way off to actually get the most benefit from the compounds. it would have been far more beneficial if you had done more research and looked into the amount of time these compounds need ot be injected, how to maintain blood levels and how to run a kickstart (dbol). since you're only 5 weeks in why not save what you have for another time and get your hands on some PCT items and stop. hit the research and diet sections for a few years and come back with something that looks like a good first cycle.

[stpete]

I agree w/what the others said. You're too young, bad cycle(especially for first timer), injection times are off, no PCT, Bad diet. You will be doing yourself a great service to stop cycle and start PCT. Hit the Nutrition Section and get a solid diet in place. Research everything for the next couple years while training hard and eating right.

Good Luck

[firefive]

oh wow i really didntt know it was such a bad cycle... what pct do u guys recomend ? i ve been advised to change my injections for M-W-F (1cc test,1cc deca - 1cc test- 1cc test, 1cc deca) respectively

[Noles12]

That is still a terrible cycle. Yoo need to keep blood levels stable. M-W-F is not a good shot schedule. With prop it should be everyday injection or every other day injections. You dont just skip weekends. Also that would be upping your dose of deca for the week.

Right now my best recommendation would be to research the section on PCT, stp your cycle, start the proper PCT, and do much more research before just putting something in your body again

[firefive]

Ive looked into novaldex for 4 weeks at 40mg ED for 2 weeks and then 20mg ED for 2 weeks.... but what did u mean by EOD ? every 2 days ?

[gixxerboy1]

eod is every other day.
your cycle is so screwed up. I would seriously stop what your doing.

[titan13]

Dont ever run deca your first cycle, Test only. If you cant be talked out of waiting and putting on some natural size first, at least do lots more research. AAS has some serious sometimes irreversable side effects. BE smart these guys are real pros they know there sh*t.

[firefive]

I just got novaldex and im going to start taking it and cut on the cycle... I dont plan on waiting to be 25 truth be told but am looking at swaping test prop to test e + dbol only ... how long should i wait until i restart a cycle ? 2-3 months ?

[titan13]

If you make the decision to not wait at least get all your supplies together before you cycle. Rule of thumb is time on + pct = time off. Take your time do lots of research look into hcg and running a AI. spending time in the diet section would be time well spent.

[firefive]

thanks for all the info guys. Im most likely going to start novaldex PCT and after that restart a proper cycle.

[titan13]

Good call on stopping it will pay off in the long run. Good luck and keep researching.

[magicstick2003]

You may need to wait to take your pct. depending on how much deca you've done, generally you're looking at waiting like 21 days after your last deca inject for PCT (I don't know if this time table will still apply if you've only done a few shots as it hasn't reached peak blood levels at that point, so maybe someone can chime in on that). Waiting till you're older like people recommend is entirely up to you but like others said do your research to the point you don't have questions and then propose your cycle just to be absolutely sure everything is on point. With that said people tell ya to wait due to personal experience/ research that shows this can have some detrimental effects on your body.