20 years old tren or eq ?

[Ralph_!_]

ok i guess tren is more than 2 much so i am going to get it out of my mind how about eq :

week 1 > week 12 : equipoise 400 mgs/week , test prop 300 mgs/week ( i know Testosterone cypionate or enanthate is a beter idea but i already bought the prop :/ )

week 1 > week 14 : test prop

week1 > week 6 : naposim 20 mgs ed

[Ralph_!_]

anny one ?? btw ill be taking nolvadex from week 1 to week 10

[Far from massive]

You are really to young to use any type of steroids since your HPTA is still years away from finalization. However if you do decide to use AAS anyway then yes avoid Tren like the plague.

Also for anyone on a first cycle its always reccomended to use only testosterone so that you can see how your body reacts so thats always the way to go on a first cycle but as said you would be well advised to wait till you are 25.

[Ralph_!_]

ive been told 2 wait but im only gona have this cycle than i will wait a couple of years a little boost cz i plateaud anw ive done a couple of cycles but havnt kept any of the gains cz i ddnt know abt the pct :/ so does equipoise sound good or u recommend anything better ? my goal is 2 gain lean mass (no water , no fat ) and abt my diet i eat every 3 hours and best food ( fish , chicken breast , salade .... ) plz dont tell me 2 use deka

[Ralph_!_]

and if i decided 2 take tren ill be using more test so it wont affect me sexually am i right ? ... i bought the tren be4 researching so im stuck with it , it builds lean mass and burn some fat am i right ? cz my main goal is 2 gain weight

[curly_vancouver]

Need to do more research on tren, suppression will hurt you but prolactin is also a factor for your hard on.
I'm only a year older and was thinking about a tren cycle and am choosing not to, it way to harsh and will shut us down way to hard.
Don't do tren, just stick with test

[auswest]

ive been told 2 wait but im only gona have this cycle than i will wait a couple of years a little boost cz i plateaud anw ive done a couple of cycles but havnt kept any of the gains cz i ddnt know abt the pct :/ so does equipoise sound good or u recommend anything better ? my goal is 2 gain lean mass (no water , no fat ) and abt my diet i eat every 3 hours and best food ( fish , chicken breast , salade .... ) plz dont tell me 2 use deka

You're 20 and already done a couple of cycles and kept nothing, the same will happen again. your proposed cycle shows your lack of knowledge, stop endangering your chance to live a normal life later on down the track

[zach7]

agree, definetely wait before u screw something up but your probably going to do what u want anyways... But it would be better to wait and do more research

[Ralph_!_]

mm since i bought everything :/ how about if i get rid of the tren and get some eq and do the cycle for 12 weeks and stop cycling for a few years ? cz ive been planning for a cycle for a long time

[Ralph_!_]

i know i have no expirience and im 2 young but ill do just this one as a push and stop cycling for a few years
so my new cycle :
week 1 > week 12 : equipoise 400 mgs/week , test prop 300 mgs/week ( i know Testosterone cypionate or enanthate is a beter idea but i already bought the prop :/ ) u think it is ok to take test prop for 12 weeks ?
week1 > week 6 : naposim 20 mgs ed
week 8> week 12: winstrol 50 mgs/day
it is better than the tren cycle for the sides ? my main goal is 2 see some gains and a little cut

[stpete]

Too young. You don't understand the damage, possibly permanent, you could do to yourself if you haven't already. I highly recommend you research this fact.

And i guarantee you plateaued because of your diet.

Here's one of the many threads you should read:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.T2hiwhEgfVU

[loki_is_a_god]

20 years old...sounds like you need to diet and do research for 5 more years before...you try any aas

[gonzo6183]

Holly crap man... Listen to these guys and read what you wrote yourself. You have done two cycle and have not kept your gains, this is not becasue of PCT it is becasue you need to spend years learning to diet and train properly. you will only do damage and in the long run not gain anything, this "little boost" will NOT work. get rid of it

[Ralph_!_]

i am not trying 2 be a dick seriously i know its a bad idea and i know im young and i know abt the sides but **** it i cant convince myself not 2 do it so plz a little help will be

ok

i heard that eq is good but on long terms so imagine i was 25 :P will this be a good cycle ? >>

week 1 > week 12 : equipoise 400 mgs/week , test prop 300 mgs/week (ill be running test prop 2 more weeks ) week 1 > week 14 test prop 300mg/week

week1 > week 6 : naposim 20 mgs ed

week 9> week 12: winstrol 50 mgs/day

it is the best cycle i can think of it is not my first btw

i will keep nolvadex in hand in case i feel something goin on with my nips and for the pct

Nolvadex 5 weeks from week 15 to week 19

clomid from week 17 to week 19

i will also be taking a multivitamin during the cycle and proteine

is it 2 long ? should i drop the eq on week 12 and the test on week 14 ?

and my last question is can i start takking supplements like cell tech, noxplode etc ... during my pct ? 10x 4 the help i really apreciate ur advices and ur concerns .

[tlash88]

No that's not a good cycle, one your to young by far to young. Two that's not even a decent cycle to run. Not even gonna take some HCG? Your post cycle isn't good enough either.

[Ralph_!_]

can u fix whats wrong with it plz ?

[tlash88]

We're really not suppose to because of your age, but will advise you to research testosterone only cycles, you can search first cycles and you will find your answer within the forum if your truly dead set on doing it. I'm 22 and I wanna take it just as bad bro but I am still waiting till at least 23( which i should actually wait longer but I should be at my peak by then)

[Ralph_!_]

yea i know i heard that alot we propably should wait till 26 but **** that everyone i know is on steroids anw what did you find wrong in my cycle ? is it 2 long ? (it is not my first) so i cant stick to test i wont see any changes , where do i find hcg in pharmaci ? and what should i add 2 my pct ?

[tlash88]

Well actually if you stick with test you will still see results I can guarantee that man, my cycle will be test e at 500 mg, (250 mg twice a week). Anyone on here could tell you the same

[DamageDealer]

ok, ralph, at first i didn't leave a reply in this thread seeing as how other experienced members tried to advise you against using any AAS right now, but seeing how persistent and stupid you are, i'll try to break it down for you.

1. you're too young. 20 years old is when you can fvck up your endocrine system so hard you won't be able to recover later. like at all. especially with those kinds of AAS
2. this cycle itself is very dangerous because of tren. tren is not for newbies. PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS ADVISE. eq, naposim (dbol) are dangerous too. not only you're twenty, you're running like 3 compounds at a time. this is insane for your age, my friend
3. your PCT is shit, and diet is possibly even worse. you said it yourself, you can't keep any of the gains you make on AAS. what makes you think you will be able to gain something from tren???!!

[Pawew]

tren should wait till you know how AAS effect you, its 5x the drug that normal test is, so count on any androgenic sides to be 5x worse on it. please stay safe op

[Ralph_!_]

why u dnt read what i said ? :/ i am not going to use tren i did some researches on it its 4 advanced bbs and this is not my first cycle i know i should not be takin any but i want 2 can anyone plz view my equipoise idea ? **** tren i am not gona use it

[gixxerboy1]

eq sucks. plain and simple.
your cycle isnt good. You are trying to make up for bad diet and training with adding in other drugs. You really are trying to tell me your so advanced in body building that you need 4 different steroids to grow. lol

[Ralph_!_]

i couldnt keep any gains bcz of my coach that idiot told me nthng about pct :/ and i ddnt know shit about diet he told me eat whatever u see :/ and i didnt know that when i finish a cycle my power drops and these stuff now i know the basics my diet is 100 % clean my pct could be shit so plz fix it and plz fix whats wrong with the cycle shoul i drop the naposim and winstrol and stick 2 test and eq ? i know even test and eq are dangerous but not close 2 tren btw my first cycle was deca , dbol test and winstrol i know it is a verry verry bad idea for a first cycle but as i said be4 my coach is an idiot and i did about 4 oral cycle (pills) anabol , naposim + test (both pills) , and danabol . i know they all seem like shitty cycles thats why i came 2 you guys

[Ralph_!_]

10x 4 the advice i will not take trenbolone , can you plz take a look at my eq cycle ? and help me out with the pct and fix whats wrong in it ? ... if its better ill drop the naposim and the winstrol . i will do this cycle and than wait 5 years i promise :P

[gixxerboy1]

your loosing your gains because you screwed up your natural hormone production wit hall these cycles at your age. I dont care what pct you use you probably are screwed either way for a long time.

[gixxerboy1]

10x 4 the advice i will not take trenbolone , can you plz take a look at my eq cycle ? and help me out with the pct and fix whats wrong in it ? ... if its better ill drop the naposim and the winstrol . i will do this cycle and than wait 5 years i promise :P

wait 5 years or 10 years after it wont matter the damage will be done already. it will be fun going out at 21 and meeting a hot girl and not getting it up later.

[Razor]

i know i have no expirience and im 2 young but ill do just this one as a push and stop cycling for a few years
so my new cycle :
week 1 > week 12 : equipoise 400 mgs/week , test prop 300 mgs/week ( i know Testosterone cypionate or enanthate is a beter idea but i already bought the prop :/ ) u think it is ok to take test prop for 12 weeks ?
week1 > week 6 : naposim 20 mgs ed
week 8> week 12: winstrol 50 mgs/day
it is better than the tren cycle for the sides ? my main goal is 2 see some gains and a little cut

Worst idea ever. Listen to the people here trying to help you avoid this disaster

[Ralph_!_]

**** i give up :P it will still be a bad idea even if i drop the naposim and winstrol ?and take only eq and test ? (A)

[Razor]

No thats a bad Idea too, how about no more using steroids, and hope you can undo the damage you already have created.

[DeadlyD]

Well actually if you stick with test you will still see results I can guarantee that man, my cycle will be test e at 500 mg, (250 mg twice a week). Anyone on here could tell you the same

^^^^agree, I'm 29 on my first test e only cycle 500a week I'm in week 5 already 10 # lean mass its crazy!!

[Super-Chump]

I can't believe all the sound advice that is being given to you and you just ignore it. Let me be clear, no-one here will be giving you cycling advice because you are simply too young.

And what's the go with your coach? Is he actually advising you to use steroids? Far out...

How about you clean up your diet, keep training with intensity (which I only assume you are doing) and come back in a years time and tell us how you went.

[Razor]

I think this is a lost cause at this point he's going to run it no matter what anyone says.

[dooie]

What r ur stats bro?