Safe to Start cycling earlier than u think? Knowlegable members enter for discussion

[bobsyouruncle]

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html

(Looking for a polite discussion here no flaming please)

This link sums up the average muscle gain of a [newbie bodybuilder ---> advanced bodybuilder] according to well
known names in bodybuilding such as lyle mcdonald and alan aragon.

It basically states:

Year of Proper Training Potential Rate of Muscle Gain per Year
1 20-25 pounds (2 pounds per month)
2 10-12 pounds (1 pound per month)
3 5-6 pounds (0.5 pound per month)
4+ 2-3 pounds (not worth calculating)

So take an average skinny ecto 19 year old male who has just started lifting seriously. He is 6'2 and 160lbs at 10%
bodyfat, is doing an upper/lower split 4 times a week, adding weight to the bar/doing more reps week in week out
and is bulking at a +500kcal surplus.

According to these sources: At 22 years old this male will have 2-3 years of serious training. He should be at 6'2,
200lbs at 10% bodyfat and cannot grow anymore/adding muscle mass too slowly to see (naturally).

Surely it is safe/right for him to start cycling lets say a 400mg test cycle once maybe even twice a year whilst
correctly PCTing?

[auswest]

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html

(Looking for a polite discussion here no flaming please)

This link sums up the average muscle gain of a [newbie bodybuilder ---> advanced bodybuilder] according to well
known names in bodybuilding such as lyle mcdonald and alan aragon.

It basically states:

Year of Proper Training Potential Rate of Muscle Gain per Year
1 20-25 pounds (2 pounds per month)
2 10-12 pounds (1 pound per month)
3 5-6 pounds (0.5 pound per month)
4+ 2-3 pounds (not worth calculating)

So take an average skinny ecto 19 year old male who has just started lifting seriously. He is 6'2 and 160lbs at 10%
bodyfat, is doing an upper/lower split 4 times a week, adding weight to the bar/doing more reps week in week out
and is bulking at a +500kcal surplus.

According to these sources: At 22 years old this male will have 2-3 years of serious training. He should be at 6'2,
200lbs at 10% bodyfat and cannot grow anymore/adding muscle mass too slowly to see (naturally).

Surely it is safe/right for him to start cycling lets say a 400mg test cycle once maybe even twice a year whilst
correctly PCTing?

What's that got to do with the development of his hpta?
I think you're missing the main reason young people are advised to stay away from steroids..

[austinite]

Your history of training/eating prior to age 25 is not taken into account when safe cycling is referenced; rendering the article irrelevant for AAS safety discussion.

Refer to http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g-and-Steroids

[DanB]

there is two things wrong here

1, the blanket statement dosnt apply to everybody, everybody genetic max is different

2. your genetic max at 6'2 should be far higher then a lean 200lbs, many members here surpass that easily before using aas

and safe cycling is nothing to do with genetic max, its to do with your hpta being fully developed and it 22 it may or may not be, if it isnt then this can lead to it never reaching max potential and in turn the chances are that your going to have problems at some stage in future and end up on trt years before you should of needed, if you would of even needed it at all

if you know the risks and willing to accept them, possibly trt for life before 25 then C'est la vie its your body, but majority of members here wont help you because they cant know for certain that the advise they give wont damage your health

although if you are trying to use this chart as justification to get help then you may keep looking as it dosnt hold any water

best of luck

[lovbyts]

The definition of a skinny ecto 19 year old male is someone who does not know how to eat right, just ask any skinny ecto 19 year old male who is now 30. I was a skinny ecto 19 year old male who trained hard and could not gain weight for the life of me..... until I discovered how to eat in my 40s.

If you are 22 years old this male will have 2-3 years of serious training 6'2,
200lbs at 10% bodyfat and cannot grow anymore/adding muscle mass then again it's a diet issue and you need a couple more years of training and eating properly waiting until you are 24/25 220lbs then you should be g2g.