First cycle advice please

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Okay I know this question has been answered 1billion times but in my opinion every case is different. First off I'm 22 years old and have never used a steroid but to be frank I'm about sick of wasting money on these pre workout supps that provide small gains.

After about a month of research I found that test e will be the best first cycle to go with, specifically primoteston by bayer. I also know that a pct afterwards is a must.

My first question, should I even do it. Being my first cycle I'm just not exactly sure.

I'm sure ill get blasted on this forum, but I'm honestly looking for some trustworthy advice

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Forgot to mention I've been lifting for around 6 years and to be honest only 4 have been serious.

[warmouth]

You cant ask up where/how to get the stuff, so thats on you. But you really dont need AAS yet. I understand hating wasting money on supps that dont work. What I can tell you from personal experience, I gained 10 pounds of lean body mass in 2 months naturally, and it wasnt hard to do. Ill go over what I did, what I took, and how I trained. So hopefully this will help you make your decision, the right one:

I started training doing heavy as I could, compound exercises. I did 4 sets per muscle group I was working. 4 exercises for each group.
I purchased a high quality whey protein isolate and a mass gainer. I took only 1/2 a serving of the mass gainer before bed, mixed with milk.
I started eating towards my goal of 2800 calories. If I went to 3500, I didnt care, I was just trying to eat as many carbs, proteins I could and tried to keep the fat as low as I could.
I bought some C4 pre-workout and some micronized creatine mono, along with some BCAAs (very cheap tablets)

Basically I lifted only, no cardio, 5 days a week. MTWTF- took the weekend off. Now I go MT-ThFri on a 4 day a week split. I am getting better gains at 4x a week, and I think it is because of the high intensity, I was losing a little on the 5x weekly. Get yourself some D3, Fish oils, CoQ10, and lecithin(for fun). Try and eat 500 calories over maintenance and adjust as you grow. You can do it, as I did. I can post before and afters if you would like.

[Turkish Juicer]

Would you sincerely say you have already hit your genetic limits in terms of muscular development?

What is your approach to nutrition? Can you provide us with a detailed layout of what you eat everyday and how much?

[austinite]

Welcome. this is not a source board, please edit your post.

[Euroholic]

All that mass gainer, pre work out shit is a joke. All you need is plain old whey during the day and casien before bed. In the old days they never had all the fancy stuff they have today and still got big. All you need is diet and good training.

[Euroholic]

Just curious how many pms have you recived from scammers?

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Okay sorry just read the sticky about what's wrong with my post. I'll fix that.
Nutrition wise I take in anywhere from 3000-3500 calories daily. Hard to always be exact but it won't go above or below those numbers. Always have 3 jumbo eggs in the morning with either bacon or sausage. Lunch varys and dinner I either have fish or chicken with rice and 2 pieces of bread. In between I'll snack on dry fruit and nuts along with protein bars. ALWAYS have a pbj with a glass of milk right before bed. I'm using mono hydrate crating (2 table spoons) and after every workout I'll have a protein shake (3 scoops with 72 gs of protein)

[Back In Black]

Delete the second question in your first post, thank you.

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I'm 6"2 210 lbs with a low bf percentage, don't know what it is but I have a 6 pack.

I workout 6 days a week and just recently added 3 days of cardio cause I started losing too much definition. Mondays is back, bi, shoulders Tuesdays is legs, Wednesday is chest and tri then repeat. Also I do abs 3 times s week in the days I don't do cardio. I make sure to do the good ole squats front and back, bench of all angles, and dead lifts. On those compound lifts I do the classic 12, 10, 6, 4 reps and with the isos i stay in the higher rep range. I'd say in one week I do 27 sets of back, legs and chest and around 22-24 of bi, tri, and shoulders.

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One last thing, I have a slim build. At 18 I was the same height but only 155, basically a twig.

[Euroholic]

To be blunt your diet is shit. What are you even trying to do? Bulk up or just get shredded ?

And what is pbj?

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Peanut butter and jelly. I've found bulking up for me literally doesn't work. At one point I had my calorie count up to 4000+ and my strength gains and muscle gains increased about the same as my current diet but instead was only putting on more fat. I tried this for nearly 6 months. Hate to pull the genetics card but idk. Don't get me wrong I know during the bulking stage you're going to get some fat, but for me the extra muscle doesn't come with it

[Back In Black]

Peanut butter and jelly. I've found bulking up for me literally doesn't work. At one point I had my calorie count up to 4000+ and my strength gains and muscle gains increased about the same as my current diet but instead was only putting on more fat. I tried this for nearly 6 months. Hate to pull the genetics card but idk. Don't get me wrong I know during the bulking stage you're going to get some fat, but for me the extra muscle doesn't come with it

Then you had too many calories and/or a poor macro split. Head to the nutrition forum and read the lean bulking sticky an post a diet for critique.

[Euroholic]

You put on more fat because id say your diet was not up to scratch and maybe your not training hard enough. Just doing the motions are not enough. Do you no how to lift properly.

Jelly as in jam? You put jam and and peanut butter on a sandwich? God sounds horrible...

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Haha strawberry jam I great. I was with my father at the time so I was eating a lot of red meats, no burgers, potatoes and veggies of all sorts. He grew his own so there was no short supply. Fruits were a large part too either bananas or apples usually. Took in carbs that came from sources such as bread and pasta. And like now I'll have light snacks such as nuts and protein bars. I do my best to avoid cold cuts but I'll eat them once a week maybe twice if I'm in a rush. I can post pics of before, middle and after if you want. Just need to figure it out

[lovbyts]

You put on more fat because id say your diet was not up to scratch and maybe your not training hard enough. Just doing the motions are not enough. Do you no how to lift properly.

Jelly as in jam? You put jam and and peanut butter on a sandwich? God sounds horrible...

Peanut butter and Jelly is a US staple food. lol I still eat it typically late at night when I wake up and need some food.

Agreed, you need to hit the diet section and Ill bet you eat to many empty calories. I did the same at your age. I could not gain weight and I ate all the time but the problem was the food was not quality, only quantity. Invest in GOOD food. Skinless chicken breast, no hamburger but steaks, eggs and other real food. NO salad/lettuce. If you eat a salad it should be mixed greens.

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I do eat all of that. Eggs every morning and chicken, steak or fish at night. I hate salad, thank god, and yes I'm sure some of my diet is not up to par but honestly I can't eat chicken 3 times a day. Thanks for all the advice. Here are pics of the bulking phase. I know what I think to be the best but ill let you guys be the judge

[lovbyts]

Keep eating and keep training. It will come. It all takes time no matter what even with gear. It will come faster and faster as you get a little older. It's just part of nature also.

[bdos]

I have chicken in all my meals lol it might be bland but the pro's out way the cons

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Okay thanks it's just annoying when you hit those weight and body plateaus. They couldn't end fast enough and I guess it boils down to being impatient and seeing those ppl who rep your max. Anyways I would still appreciate anymore advice out there.

[Turkish Juicer]

I'm using mono hydrate crating (2 table spoons) and after every workout I'll have a protein shake (3 scoops with 72 gs of protein)

So much wrong in here. If this is your approach to supplementation, glad you are not cycling AAS, you would have probably destroyed yourself with too much gear.

At your current BW, you ought not to use more than 5-6 gr of Creatine Mono PWO, which roughly equals to the amount that a small teaspoon can carry.

Again, at your current BW, it is just insane and wasteful to be consuming 3 scoops of whey PWO. About half of this will go to waste, and you are also putting too much strain on a series of internal organs that are actively involved in protein metabolism by ingesting so much whey all at once. This is just wrong, plain and simple.

Take one scoop 45min before your workout and another after your workout with a teaspoon full of Creatine Mono and that's all you need.

I just looked at your pics, you need to eat more if you want to build a base. Your chest is dominated by the surrounding small muscle groups which means bad proportions, concentrate on food and developing large muscle groups (legs, back and chest).

[Final gear]

So much wrong in here. If this is your approach to supplementation, glad you are not cycling AAS, you would have probably destroyed yourself with too much gear.

At your current BW, you ought not to use more than 5-6 gr of Creatine Mono PWO, which roughly equals to the amount that a small teaspoon can carry.

Again, at your current BW, it is just insane and wasteful to be consuming 3 scoops of whey PWO. About half of this will go to waste, and you are also putting too much strain on a series of internal organs that are actively involved in protein metabolism by ingesting so much whey all at once. This is just wrong, plain and simple.

Take one scoop 45min before your workout and another after your workout with a teaspoon full of Creatine Mono and that's all you need.

I just looked at your pics, you need to eat more if you want to build a base. Your chest is dominated by the surrounding small muscle groups which means bad proportions, concentrate on food and developing large muscle groups (legs, back and chest).

I meant teaspoons not table, my bad and this is not an excuse by any means but my chest being dominated is due to bad chest genes, honestly there is no answer for it but that. I have concentrated on the large muscle groups, my legs develop much faster than my upper torso. Like I said I do squats deadlifts and bench every week without hesitation.
Monday: deadlifts 5 sets 135 15x, 225 12x, 315 8x, 405 5-6x
Barbell row 4 sets 135 15x, 185 12x by 3
Dumbbell row 3 sets 100 12 12x by 3
Barbell curls 4 sets 12 reps
Preacher curls 2 sets
Seated dumbbell curls 3 sets
Barbell shoulder press 4 sets 12x, 10x by 3
Front raise dumbbell 3 sets 12x
Lateral raise 3 sets 12x

Tuesday squats 5 sets 135 15x, 225 12x, 275 10x, 345 6x, 275 8-9x
Leg press 4 sets usually end up with 900 lbs 6x
Lunges 2 sets 15-20 steps each leg with 110 lbs
Leg curls 3 sets 12x
Wall sits with plate 2 times as long as I can
Calf raise machine 4 sets 12/15 reps

Wednesday bench press 5 sets 135 15x, 195 12x, 225 9x, 235 5-6x, 185 10-12x
Incline bench 3 sets 135 12x, 185 8x by 2
Slight incline dumbbell press 4 sets 12x
Cable fly 3 sets 12x
Skull crushers 4 sets 12x
Rope pull downs 4 sets 12x (idk real name)
Close grip bench 3 sets 12-10x

Thursday warm up with pull ups 3-4 sets
Lat pull downs 4 sets 12, 10, 8, 12
Lat exercise 3 sets 12x (don't know the name)
Behind the back lat pull downs 4 sets 12-15x
Incline hammer curls 4 sets 12x
Cable bar curls 3 sets 12x
Single are dumbbell curls in preacher seat 3 sets 12x
Dumbbell shoulder press 4 sets 12, 10, 8, 6
Face pulls 3 sets 12x
Shrugs 3 sets 12x

Friday front squats 4 sets 12, 10, 8, 8
Leg extensions 3 sets 12x
Leg curls 3 sets 12x
Single leg machine press 3 sets 10-12
Calf raises on smith machine 405 12x by 4

Saturday incline bench 4 sets 135 12x, 185 10x, 205 7-8x, 185, 8-9x
Decline bench 4 sets 185 12x, 225 9-10x by 2, 195 10-11x
Incline dumbbell 4 sets 10-12x
Dumbbell extensions 4 sets 12x
Reverse grip cable pull downs 3 sets 12x
Weighted dips until fail
There's my routine, of course of of the workouts change except for the main compound movements. Clearly chest is far from neglected. You really hit a soft spot, for some reason it just doesn't keep up with my other muscles in terms of growth

[warmouth]

Do 4 sets of everything.

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Do 4 sets of everything.

Would I be over working my arms considering I hit them doing back and chest