tell me what to do and hold my hand

[snowblowjoe]

This will be my third cycle it will be at 12 weeks cycle that includes test prop Test E and Anvar. I will have hcg. Also name brand real deal clenbuterol and t3. For ai I will use letrozole and end with either exemestane or Arimidex. I have been running raloxifene for over a month now to get rid of gyno and will also have tamoxifen on hand to use as my serms.

Basically just asking someone to break down ugh guidelines or log on what days what time and how much product to administer.

Want test at 750-1000mg ew and 85-105mg of anvar ed.
Not sure on dosage of other. I'll take before and after pictures and a detailed log once I start the cycle

[songdog]

You need to fix your gyno problem 1st.And you are running way to much test for your 3rd cycle.You need to throw out those muscle mags and quit listening to friends.GROW INTO YOUR DOSE! You are only going to grow so much on each cycle! You grow in steps not all at once.

[Turkish Juicer]

I am with songdog on this one.

You are about to do something completely unnecessary and wasteful.

750mg-1000mg of Test E + 595mg-735mg of Anavar EW = 1450mg-1735mg of total AAS. This is WAY TOO MUCH for your 3rd cycle. It took me about 8 cycles to grow into this dose, if this means anything to you.

You don't need more than 500mg of Test for your third cycle, unless you are already passed the 220lbs barrier with relatively low BF% and looking forward to moving on to the super heavy weight class with a daily consumption of at least 5000cals. I doubt this is the case for you.

I know you will do Anavar along with Test regardless of what our advise maybe, I wouldn't go over 80mg with Anavar as for now.

If you are not making plenty of lean gains and burning some BF on the dosages as advised above during this 12 week cycle, then there must be something off with either nutrition or training if not both.

[BBrian]

I'd also point out that using Letrozole during the cycle is generally a bad idea. You should take Arimidex or Aromasin throughout the cycle in order to avoid crashing your estrogen levels altogether.

Additionally, has the Raloxifene shown any improvement over your gyno symptoms? Judging by your AI outline, your gyno is very likely a result of not using them (Arimidex/Letro/etc.) correctly.

[snowblowjoe]

My gyno problem is gone if it has any basis I have been over 500 milligrams my second cycle of test it was more like 750. My second cycle I was on like 500 to 600 milligrams a test 500 to 600 milligrams Tren and 100 milligrams every day of Winstrol for last 4 weeks yes I know I'm lucky and I know I'm a dumbass I made a big mistake but got lucky

[snowblowjoe]

I know this is going to sound like nonsense but I've actually always had a very high tolerance to every drug heroin coke GHB ketamine acid steroids weather I've done them before or not

[stpete]

You need a break. You've been solid for at least 6 months i know.

[snowblowjoe]

I will have taken at least 3 months off

[snowblowjoe]

Before I start I'll be getting all my bloods done and make sure they all check out good

[Turkish Juicer]

My gyno problem is gone if it has any basis I have been over 500 milligrams my second cycle of test it was more like 750. My second cycle I was on like 500 to 600 milligrams a test 500 to 600 milligrams Tren and 100 milligrams every day of Winstrol for last 4 weeks yes I know I'm lucky and I know I'm a dumbass I made a big mistake but got lucky

You robbed yourself by giving your body way more than what it was in need of and by doing so, you have missed a great opportunity to slowly & steadily grow into your dose, plain and simple.

[snowblowjoe]

Ya I know I messed up. Have a really addictive personality that's why I wanted to quit anabolics and just use growth hormone but that's not an economic option so its back to anabolics I still had made great games and still have kept all of my gains months later but I wish I could start over and start over from day 1

[panntastic]

Ya I know I messed up. Have a really addictive personality that's why I wanted to quit anabolics and just use growth hormone but that's not an economic option so its back to anabolics I still had made great games and still have kept all of my gains months later but I wish I could start over and start over from day 1

Why not just eat hard train hard and leave the drugs alone full stop.
If you have an addictive personality I suggest get addicted to reading eating lifting and sleeping

[snowblowjoe]

So with all this being said do you still think 750 test ew and 80 anvar everyday is too much

[Turkish Juicer]

So with all this being said do you still think 750 test ew and 80 anvar everyday is too much

Normally yes for a 3rd cycle but in your case, it hardly is too much anymore.

[Turkish Juicer]

... and just keep reminding yourself (since you have admitted to having addictive personality and a personal history of heavy drug use) that AAS is not coke, heroin or ketamine: more isn't always necessarily better. More AAS won't give you the desired results unless it is backed up by multiple other variables such as training, nutrition and the ability of keeping sides under control, very unlike the nature of drugs which tend to give you a more/stronger high when dosed more heavily.

[snowblowjoe]

My diet has always been hard but will be even more managed this go around along with more varied training. I'm not addicted to the way it makes me feel like I was. I just am not satisfied with my body yet. And I know anabolics are different than narcotics, I just compared them to illustrate a point. Most people that did the different anabolics and the dosages I did would be all ****ed up. I had no mental or health problems just small gyno but that's 95 percent gone. My natty test is higher than before. Like I said earlier I will get all blood work done before I start this cycle if I do start it

[snowblowjoe]

Hard=clean
Freudian slip heh

[snowblowjoe]

So can I stop getting lecturing /mentoring and just a solid pin and dosage schedule? If not it's cool I'll figure it out. I do appreciate the concern, advise, and knowledge given to me. This is the best forum by far

[cj111]

Whats your bf%?

[snowblowjoe]

Don't have calipers but really rough guesstimate by my cousin that has owned a gym for over a decade is around 13 to 14 percent

[snowblowjoe]

Bump

[snowblowjoe]

Bump dis kids.

Just want a solid pinning schedule when I want to use test prop with Test E to kick in the effects of the test quicker

[panntastic]

Bump dis kids.

Just want a solid pinning schedule when I want to use test prop with Test E to kick in the effects of the test quicker

It's not going to happen you've already been told you need to do more research
Nothing here will be spoon fed to you

[snowblowjoe]

What do I need to research? I know I fukd up the first time.