Advice on 1st cycle please

[Tennis_tom]

After a long period I feel it is a good time to do my first cycle. I posted on here just over 2 years ago when I first thought about doing a cycle at 80kg/176lb (http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...le-please.html) and was told to work on my diet and get up to 90kg/200lb, which I have now done. I am extremely glad that I did not do the cycle I proposed in the above post. I did not know near enough about what I would have been taking and that stack is way too much for a newb. Also I was nowhere near my natty potential

Ive been 90kg for a while now but was living in Australia and found it too hard to get gear. Now I am back in the UK, I am planning to do my first cycle.
I have read William Llewellyn's book 'Anabolic Steroids' from cover to cover and it is the main basis of what I am doing, mixed in from what Ive read on here over the past few years.

Age: 27
Weight: 90kg (200lb)
Height: 6'
Body Fat: around 15-20%. Pic in avatar is me @ 90kg.
Lifting history: Been lifting for 5 years now. Gone from 65kg to 90kg
Genetics: Im an ectomorph. Everyone in my family is pretty scrawny, including my two brothers. I feel I have done pretty well for my genes.
GOALS: bulking. I am not going for the ripped look at all, its not my thing. I like the 15-20% look more. I also want a baseline of how my body will react to Test for possible future cycles.

I have had my full bloods done - everything was normal according to the doctor.
Diet is sorted. Its pretty much the only thing I changed to get from 80 to 90kg. I wasnt eating enough.

Cycle:
250mg Test E every 5 days from W1-10 (14 injections). This works out on average as 350mg/week.
HCG - W11-13 EOD 500iu (Mon/Wed/Fri) so 1500iu per week for 3 weeks.
Nolva - W13-17 20/20/20/20
Clom - W13-17 50/50/50/50


I chose 350mg per week as the ampules are 250mg but I thought 250 would be too little and 500mg too high for a first cycle.

Nolvadex on hand if gyno starts. I have put quite low doses for Nolva and Clomid PCT as I am on a pretty lose dose of test. thoughts on that?

Should I have more Hcg in the Week 11 than week 12 and 13?

[Spartans09]

I prefer to use an AI (liquidex or Aromasin) while on to control estrogen. I did 350mg of test cyp for my first cycle several years ago and saw very solid results.

[Freestyle Child]

IMO your almost wasting a cycle from 250mg. The sides compared to gains from bumping to 500mg/wk makes it work it.
Thats lots of HCG for that amount. Try maybe 250iu twice a week just to keep the bears in the cave.

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

[Iron-56]

350mg a week will put you a bove natural levels and you would probably make solid fains but if you're going to suppress your HPTA you might as well make the best out of it. I would bump it up to 450-500mg a week.

[drake4243]

I agree with the 2 others even though it is your first run I would go test e 500mg a week so 250mg every 84 hours(500mg a week is not to high that is normal for a first run). Also I would change that HCG schedule to 250ius twice a week (the day before each test injection. And just to be safe throw in arimidex .25 ever other day.

[Tennis_tom]

I prefer to use an AI (liquidex or Aromasin) while on to control estrogen. I did 350mg of test cyp for my first cycle several years ago and saw very solid results.

Ive read up on this and basically AI's stop estrogen production full stop and so you miss out on all the benefits that estrogen brings such as higher HDLs and lower LDLs. Also you make better gains when test works with estrogen. Ive read Nolva is better because it stops estrogen receptors in certain areas such as the breast tissue (hence its use for breast cancer) but doesnt have an effect on estrogen on the liver (hence it continues to work on HDLs/LDLs).

If my estrogen levels were just through the roof Id use an AI but thats not gonna happen on 350mg of Test E a week

[Tennis_tom]

IMO your almost wasting a cycle from 250mg. The sides compared to gains from bumping to 500mg/wk makes it work it.
Thats lots of HCG for that amount. Try maybe 250iu twice a week just to keep the bears in the cave.

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Well im doing 350mg/week, not 250mg/week.

Is that really a lot of Hcg? if I do 250 iu, that will only be 1500iu total....

[chi]

Tom a few things to take note:

There is nothing wrong with starting your cycle low at 350mgs per week that is a perfect fine beginner's cycle though even at the dosages you are suppressing your natural test level and will get sides just like you would @ 500 mgs per week which is the dosage I would recommend to do your first cycle at. I started my first cycle at these doses and so have many other successful aas users as well as it being mentioned in this thread

10 weeks Test E @ 250mg twice/wk every 3.5 days would be my protocol to maintain stable blood levels
12 weeks HCG @ 250iu's twice/wk every 3.5 days (you do not need 1500 iu's of hcg a week that is an overkill especially for someone who recently go bw done and is g2g)

Now when it comes to AI's I have a different view then most on here since I do not run AI's during cycles (especially low dose) because of too much estrogen suppression. Some of the side effects of too much estrogen suppression are: can cause joint pain, loss of libdio, inhibit gains, and also ai's themselves are known for having harsh side effects such as bone loss (aromasin) or even mild stuff like stomach aches and headaches which will throw off your training.
My point in case is see how your body reacts to the test and go from there since you may no be affected by high E2 levels and then you are doing more bad then good by being on an AI. Thoug keep some stane or adex on hand just in case if you are that way you can bring them done instead of scrambling to find some. Going and getting a lab done mid cycle to see where your levels are is also a good idea to keep an eye on things and see where you are at instead of second guessing yourself.

PCT

Clomid
50/50/50/50
Nolvadex
40/40/20/20

That is^^^a standard protocol for a natural test suppressing cycle follow it and you should come back just fine.


Also about your question regarding hcg and upping it in the last few weeks...........it is not necessary.


Hope this helps

[Tennis_tom]

Hey chi, thanks for the reply.

Just one thing. Ive read that you shouldnt take Hcg for more than 4 weeks at a time as you become sensitised to it so how could I safely take it for the 10 weeks of the cycle. Ive looked through dozens of threads on this forum and all the info on it is very contradictory. Half seem to say do it 250iu twice a week when on cycle and the rest say do it in your PCT. Its extremely confusing.

[chi]

Hey chi, thanks for the reply.

Just one thing. Ive read that you shouldnt take Hcg for more than 4 weeks at a time as you become sensitised to it so how could I safely take it for the 10 weeks of the cycle. Ive looked through dozens of threads on this forum and all the info on it is very contradictory. Half seem to say do it 250iu twice a week when on cycle and the rest say do it in your PCT. Its extremely confusing.

Not a problem glad I could help


You are more prone to developing a tolerance for hcg when used frequently and higher dosing. The point of hcg is to mimick the lh which tells the testes to produce natural testosterone thus the reason for hcg while on cycle and not during pct when you have already stopped talking synthetic test. There are instances where hcg can be used off cycle but that is when your natural levels have been suppressed or shut down so they may be "resuscitated". Long story short you are using hcg while on to keep your "boys" producing so when you come off it is that much easier to return to normal and not lose so much of your gains

[Tennis_tom]

Not a problem glad I could help


You are more prone to developing a tolerance for hcg when used frequently and higher dosing. The point of hcg is to mimick the lh which tells the testes to produce natural testosterone thus the reason for hcg while on cycle and not during pct when you have already stopped talking synthetic test. There are instances where hcg can be used off cycle but that is when your natural levels have been suppressed or shut down so they may be "resuscitated". Long story short you are using hcg while on to keep your "boys" producing so when you come off it is that much easier to return to normal and not lose so much of your gains

But wouldnt doing it for 10 weeks be considered using it frequently?