My first cycle, advices

[zlatko995]

Hi guys, wanna some advices for my first cycle...Im 19, 5'9 and weight only 140lbs :/ One years ago, when i started train and eat alot, i was 105lbs... I've been training for 2 years...
I think that i am at 7% bf. It's time to bulk up something... I will live alone from Semptember so i'll start from Semptember-October. I've done all the blood test. All tests are definetively OK.

Thats was my idea:

Week 1-10 250mg sustanon
Week 1-10 200mg deca
Week 1-4 40mg/day dbol
Week 1-16 1.25mg letrozole a week
Week 3-10 500UI HGC a week


What do you think about? Please don't tell me that im too young, i know what im doing, thats my decision...Thank you guys

[austinite]

Welcome,

No offense, but I would beg to differ on the statement "I know what I'm doing". This is by far, one of the worst cycle proposals I have ever seen. I can't even begin to make any sense of it to be honest.

Good luck.

[Fcarey32]

I read the first line and that was enough for me. you do not know what you're doing, you are too young, your diet is not right, your training is not right. And you're always welcome in the nutrition section. Just not here. For now, anyways.

Ps. Try giving the squat rack a visit, your legs can hold alot of weight. Looks nice too.

[zlatko995]

Welcome,

No offense, but I would beg to differ on the statement "I know what I'm doing". This is by far, one of the worst cycle proposals I have ever seen. I can't even begin to make any sense of it to be honest.

Good luck.

Why? :/ can u help me please?

[Bio-Active]

Why? :/ can u help me please?

Honestly bro at your height and weight you don't need any steroid cycles. You need food to bulk up. Hit the nutrition forum and post up your nutrition plan.

[austinite]

Why? :/ can u help me please?

No I can't. Sorry, I don't have the guts to help you ruin your life. Even if your age was appropriate, your stats are not. As little as 10 minutes of research would quickly indicate that your proposal is a complete mess.

[Gaspaco]

Whats up zlatko!!!

I have to agree with my buddy Austinite, you don't know what are you doing but that is fine because you are not quite ready to start with AAS.

Looking at your picture you have so much natural gains in front of you!!!

EAT LIKE A HORSE and you will GROW LIKE A HULK!

Sick looking triceps BTW!!!

[zlatko995]

Honestly bro at your height and weight you don't need any steroid cycles. You need food to bulk up. Hit the nutrition forum and post up your nutrition plan.

Sure bro, i know, ive listened many times that answer... I think that a steroid cycle could give me an hand to bulk up, with a proper diet... One of the most important trainer in italy (pro) Said that ive completed my natural grow up... So i decided to cycle

[Fcarey32]

Yeah man, we just don't wanna see you tear any tendons or muscles. Your connective tissue isn't as developed as it would have to be to handle the gains from AAS, plus man, get as big as you naturally can, I know it's tempting, but you just aren't ready yet, give it a few years.

[zlatko995]

Yeah man, we just don't wanna see you tear any tendons or muscles. Your connective tissue isn't as developed as it would have to be to handle the gains from AAS, plus man, get as big as you naturally can, I know it's tempting, but you just aren't ready yet, give it a few years.

My father is an endocrinogist (Its ok in English? Sorry), he Said that ive stopped my Bone grow... Trainer said that ive finished my natural potential, so i am thinking about...

What do u think about my bf? Someone says 8-9, others 5-6

[Bio-Active]

Sure bro, i know, ive listened many times that answer... I think that a steroid cycle could give me an hand to bulk up, with a proper diet... One of the most important trainer in italy (pro) Said that ive completed my natural grow up... So i decided to cycle

Certainly.... but you will lose all your gains as soon as you come off your cycle as you are not eating enough to maintain your gains. At your age your hormones are plenty high enough to make gains with proper nutrition

[jimmyinkedup]

Someone posted this once..its appropriate here with a slight modification. His post was " Food and lots of it=big gains-leave the shiny tubs of glory on the shelf"
He was referring to a young man asking about supplements. In this case it should read, " Food and lots of it=big gains-leave the steroids on the shelf"
Best of luck my friend

[crazy mike]

Welcome,

No offense, but I would beg to differ on the statement "I know what I'm doing". This is by far, one of the worst cycle proposals I have ever seen. I can't even begin to make any sense of it to be honest.

Good luck.

I read the first line and that was enough for me. you do not know what you're doing, you are too young, your diet is not right, your training is not right. And you're always welcome in the nutrition section. Just not here. For now, anyways.

Ps. Try giving the squat rack a visit, your legs can hold alot of weight. Looks nice too.

Honestly bro at your height and weight you don't need any steroid cycles. You need food to bulk up. Hit the nutrition forum and post up your nutrition plan.

Whats up zlatko!!!

I have to agree with my buddy Austinite, you don't know what are you doing but that is fine because you are not quite ready to start with AAS.

Looking at your picture you have so much natural gains in front of you!!!

EAT LIKE A HORSE and you will GROW LIKE A HULK!

Sick looking triceps BTW!!!

Yeah man, we just don't wanna see you tear any tendons or muscles. Your connective tissue isn't as developed as it would have to be to handle the gains from AAS, plus man, get as big as you naturally can, I know it's tempting, but you just aren't ready yet, give it a few years.

My father is an endocrinogist (Its ok in English? Sorry), he Said that ive stopped my Bone grow... Trainer said that ive finished my natural potential, so i am thinking about...

What do u think about my bf? Someone says 8-9, others 5-6

That is so cool your dad can watch your BW. So what does dad think about this cycle. Did you ask him? Hell he could get you some gear, ya think !!
You are 19 and stupid, I'll just get to the point. Lean definition on a skinny are and no legs. Oh I don't want to break the rules so I'll advise you to wait...KID ! ...crazy mike

[zlatko995]

Someone posted this once..its appropriate here with a slight modification. His paot was " Food and lots of it=big gains-leave the shiny tubs of glory on the shelf"
He was referring to a young man asking about supplements. In this case it should read, " Food and lots of it=big gains-leave the steroids on the shelf"
Best of luck my friend

Thanks a lot buddy...

[zlatko995]

That is so cool your dad can watch your BW. So what does dad think about this cycle. Did you ask him? Hell he could get you some gear, ya think !!
You are 19 and stupid, I'll just get to the point. Lean definition on a skinny are and no legs. Oh I don't want to break the rules so I'll advise you to wait...KID ! ...crazy mike

Thanks

[pitchindude]

My father is an endocrinogist (Its ok in English? Sorry), he Said that ive stopped my Bone grow... Trainer said that ive finished my natural potential, so i am thinking about...

What do u think about my bf? Someone says 8-9, others 5-6

You have not reached your natural potential.

[zlatko995]

You have not reached your natural potential.

A famous trainer here in italy said that

[Gaspaco]

A famous trainer here in italy said that

How the HELL he knows your natural limits??

...at 140 ???? Don't be ridiculous!

start eating 5000kcal/day and you will come back with HAPPY face after your gains and hopefully say something to "MR. TRAINER" that want probably another kid addicted on his juice!

[zlatko995]

How the HELL he knows your natural limits??

I trust him because he is Very famous... He is the trainer of the most big guys in italy in IFBB...

[zlatko995]

How the HELL he knows your natural limits??

...at 140 ???? Don't be ridiculous!

start eating 5000kcal/day and you will come back with HAPPY face after your gains and hopefully say something to "MR. TRAINER" that want probably another kid addicted on his juice!

Probably bro... But i started at 47kgs...putted on 15 kgs naturally

[zlatko995]

How the HELL he knows your natural limits??

...at 140 ???? Don't be ridiculous!

start eating 5000kcal/day and you will come back with HAPPY face after your gains and hopefully say something to "MR. TRAINER" that want probably another kid addicted on his juice!

Probably bro... But i started at 47kgs...putted on 15 kgs naturally

[Capebuffalo]

A famous trainer here in italy said that

Let me guess? He has what you need and would be glad to sell them to you. He sees you have reached your natural peak and sees promising things from you. All you need to do is buy these"things" and you will be great.

And can I see the note from your doctor dad saying he approves of this ?

[zlatko995]

Let me guess? He has what you need and would be glad to sell them to you. He sees you have reached your natural peak and sees promising things from you. All you need to do is buy these"things" and you will be great.

And can I see the note from your doctor dad saying he approves of this ?

No he doesnt sell... My dad dont wont that i Take whey too ahahahaha

[zlatko995]

Let me guess? He has what you need and would be glad to sell them to you. He sees you have reached your natural peak and sees promising things from you. All you need to do is buy these"things" and you will be great.

And can I see the note from your doctor dad saying he approves of this ?

He will never approve... Im alone... Im 19, can decide for myself

[itsjayman02]

Advice has been given its up to you to decide now!!

[zlatko995]

Advice has been given its up to you to decide now!!

Advices about my Life, not about cycle... I think that i have a good lifestyle, i never smoked cigarettes or weed, dont drink alcool since 2 years... Going to disco 2 times a year... Always been training and eating good... I decided to enter in the fitness physique world... Its my choice... I dont think that a susta +dbol cycle should Kill me or my HPTA axis... Im studying medicine too..

[zlatko995]

Advices about my Life, not about cycle... I think that i have a good lifestyle, i never smoked cigarettes or weed, dont drink alcool since 2 years... Going to disco 2 times a year... Always been training and eating good... I decided to enter in the fitness physique world... Its my choice... I dont think that a susta +dbol cycle should Kill me or my HPTA axis... Im studying medicine too..

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[Back In Black]

I think you have enough advice here to make your own decision. The only people on this site who condone cycling at your age are people who are your age. That should tell you everything you need to know.

Your father has done the relevant X-rays to check your plates are closed? He can say that your endocrine system is fully developed? He supports your use of AAS at your age and weight?

There is enough information within the stickies and other people's threads to run a cycle but this is your risk. Without the right nutrition you won't grow and you won't keep your gains.

Your ifbb coach is a fool if he says you have reached your natural potential. Just eat more.

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/educationa...#.UWZ9Mp5waM8=

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html


AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.