test cyp and EQ ... what doses should be ran

[JCFobsession]

friend who is current and knowledgeable user said I should run

Test cyp - 600-800mg @ week
EQ - 400mg @ week

Any thoughts of rec!?

Thanks

[austinite]

Test doses are fine. EQ, if it were me, would be 0 mg. I don't know what good this compound can do. It only does damage. 400mg would be pretty worthless anyway. I'd sub that for primo or masteron.

[JCFobsession]

Damage how?
And why do you say that?
Its a Lil late can't swap out anything

[austinite]

Well, if you get a CBC panel you will see how bad your blood counts look. EQ is notorious for causing RBC levels to increase at an alarming rate, resulting in high hematocrit (thick blood) that runs like mud in your veins. You should be donating very frequently and/or getting prescriptions for therapeutic phlebotomies. Gains are merely non existent and since it's generally used for a cut, it increases appetite tremendously, so that's counter productive.

Really in my opinion, it's the absolute worst compound ever used by man. I'd just save it for squeaky door hinges.

[teezer33]

Well, if you get a CBC panel you will see how bad your blood counts look. EQ is notorious for causing RBC levels to increase at an alarming rate, resulting in high hematocrit (thick blood) that runs like mud in your veins. You should be donating very frequently and/or getting prescriptions for therapeutic phlebotomies. Gains are merely non existent and since it's generally used for a cut, it increases appetite tremendously, so that's counter productive.

Really in my opinion, it's the absolute worst compound ever used by man. I'd just save it for squeaky door hinges.

I read about that Austine, ones blood viscosity thick, people end up on blood thinners like coumadin for the rest of their lives

[austinite]

I read about that Austine, ones blood viscosity thick, people end up on blood thinners like coumadin for the rest of their lives

True. And the bigger problem is that blood thinners do nothing for the issue. RBC excess would still be there. You have to drain your blood in whole, or double RBC it. And if it gets too thick, you'll be rejected at the donation center.

[rampaige77]

wow this I did not know glad I just stick with test

[corkay128]

is there any credible evidence for this? I know someone who has used eq and hasnt cycled off for about 8 years and this guy is 53 and is very well in shape lifts weights and does jiu jitsu almost everyday and he says he feels great, granted he uses it at 200mg per week

[austinite]

200mg per week is similar to drinking a redbull everyday, so it's entirely worthless. So I don't know about that dose. You'd have to ask him. If he is 53 years old he is likely on TRT and part of TRT is frequent donations, assuming he has an informed doctor. Evidence is in the science. All steroids trigger RBC production to a degree. When hepcidin, your master iron regulator is suppressed, the event triggers the brain to send a message to your red bone marrow to begin producing red blood cells.

EQ does the same as any steroid, it just does it with extremeness.

[corkay128]

thanks austinite, I used eq at 200mg per week for about 24 months and i recieved good results, I put on size and it shaped my figure, wasnt crazy gains but i could tell i was losing bodyfat, gaining some muscle and looking better as well as i was stronger and more aggressive

I see you often poke at eq as being a worhtless steroid but I too think each steroid affects a person differently and some people respond favorably to equipoise

do you have an accredited evidence regarding equipoise and its ability to raise rbc to alarming rates?

[austinite]

thanks austinite, I used eq at 200mg per week for about 24 months and i recieved good results, I put on size and it shaped my figure, wasnt crazy gains but i could tell i was losing bodyfat, gaining some muscle and looking better as well as i was stronger and more aggressive

I see you often poke at eq as being a worhtless steroid but I too think each steroid affects a person differently and some people respond favorably to equipoise

do you have an accredited evidence regarding equipoise and its ability to raise rbc to alarming rates?

What did you run it with? Please tell me your starting lean mass and ending lean mass.

[austinite]

What evidence do you want? A study with humans involved? I have blood work to prove it, so does 1000 members here.

[corkay128]

something from the internet from an accredited source such as a doctor, what dose did you use eq at? most people i know who ran eq for 16 to 20 wks ended up fine.

I began to run eq to heal an injury i sustained doing martial arts, I didnt wanna use deca cuz of the water weight and cardio issue, so i went with eq I was 190 starting and i was outta shape pretty flabby ( i dont have all the numbers didnt track much) but I began to inject 200mg on august 3rd of 2012, till january of 2013, then i did pct I used 250mg of test with it as well

[austinite]

It would be unethical practice. No doctor would be willing to lose his license. EQ is for horses, not humans. Took me a minute but here is some blood work...

My starting hCT was somewhere under 50%. The 1st image is during the 5th week of EQ at 600mg per week. The second image is during the 8th week after a donation. Needless to say there was no week 9. This was coupled with a TRT cyp dose of 150mg weekly. After the second blood work I was rejected for donations due to high hCT. I had to get a prescription for a paid therapeutic phlebotomy.



I'm not really sure how you can mention you gained if you never tracked it. I'm a little confused. Actually, mind boggled a bit, lol. You started at 190 but you don' know how you ended? I'm not following you here... anyway, whatever you gained was from the testosterone dose, not the EQ. At 250 mg for for 5 months, I don't see how it's physically possible to gain any more than 2 lbs of lean mass. Maybe... MAYBE 3 lbs. So if you gained more than that, I will assume it's both water and fat because you didn't track it.

[corkay128]

it was my first cycle, I kept all the gains from that cycle, at first I had alot of rebound so i held water for quite a while afterwards

it seemed like it shaped everything back together, i didnt get gains like guys on deca but they were good gains

are the gains with anavar similar to ones with eq?

[corkay128]

and can anavar help with joint and injury repairs like eq and deca?

[marcus300]

Eq is a useless compound IMHO, its to weak and needs to be ran at to higher dose for long periods of time to see even the slightest results. Many THINK is a great compound but most are fooled by the other compounds within the stack what are giving them results.

Ive used it on its own at a very high dose and in many stacks and I can honestly say its useless at building muscle tissue and if I am injecting steroids that's what I want it to do.

Its was also a contributing factor of me being hospitalized due to my RBC being at an alarming high count, wouldn't mind if it gave me results what looked like I was carved out of stone but all it did was put me in hospital and gave me zero muscle gains.

[JCFobsession]

I don't know about what every one says. I will say this... people on this site think there fu**king doctors!!! Or the gods of God's on gear!!!

Everything effects your body and everything effects people differently. So many products raise your RBC just some do it less or more then others.

I personally have friend who has been on it for over a year! Which sure maybe now he's fine and he may have issues later down the road. BUT AS OF NOW he has no ISSUES with taking EQ.

so to each his own, some like it some say it's worthless.

[JCFobsession]

The hard part with believing all of this is that if it were that shity, bad for you, worst stuff out, no gains...

Then why do people still take it... still talk about it... still make it .... still buy it??????

I'm not saying your WRONG on RBC, but come on....

[austinite]

I don't know about what every one says. I will say this... people on this site think there fu**king doctors!!! Or the gods of God's on gear!!!

Everything effects your body and everything effects people differently. So many products raise your RBC just some do it less or more then others.

I personally have friend who has been on it for over a year! Which sure maybe now he's fine and he may have issues later down the road. BUT AS OF NOW he has no ISSUES with taking EQ.

so to each his own, some like it some say it's worthless.

Why would you be so offensive with your post? everyone merely posted their opinions. Pretty rude really. If you only want to hear one thing, might be better off as a lurker and just use the search function until you find a satisfactory post. When you post on a board, you will get opinions. It's how it works. If you're that sensitive, it might be best not to interact with anyone. At the end of the day, everyone is welcome to do as they wish.

[JCFobsession]

I apologize my intention was NOT to be rude but to state that fact ( that everyone talks as if the are a medical doctor with years of background experience in the field)

And to just take what people say with a grain of salt

[JCFobsession]

I wasn't referring to just this post but in general when it comes to these threads.

I greatly appreciate your opinions and thoughts. It informs me and anyone to be a bit more cautious when taking any gear!!

So I am sooorrrryyyyyyy
I just always see the same people posting as if they have a full doctorate In the field of these related topics.

You have word of mouth and ppl telling experiences.
But blood work speaks for itself so thx for that.

[austinite]

I apologize my intention was NOT to be rude but to state that fact ( that everyone talks as if the are a medical doctor with years of background experience in the field)

And to just take what people say with a grain of salt

I'm not sure what indicated that anyone attempted to sound like a doctor. But there are many here that are TRT patients and through years of experience, interest and research have learned many things that are not commonly spoken of. This is one of many things that separates this board from others. I personally provided you with blood work. I would never tell you that "A friend of mine did that or that", I speak from personal experience only because I don't go off of what "friends" say, because I don't live, sleep and eat with them 24/7, no matter how close they are.

Frankly, blood counts is the absolute most basic knowledge anyone could possess. The easiest to understand and to manage. It doesn't take a doctor to analyze blood counts. Any responsible steroid user should be well aware of this. Lastly, there are actually quite a few doctors on this board and many of us have learned from them and experienced what information was delivered.

[austinite]

No problem with me, just another day

[JCFobsession]

No I feel you all the way.... and thanks for spending some time on my thread and explaining!!

My long time friend is also a TRT patient and has lots of experience with everything sense the 90s.

At the end of the day its your own body and you gotta be carefully no matter what

[austinite]

No I feel you all the way.... and thanks for spending some time on my thread and explaining!!

My long time friend is also a TRT patient and has lots of experience with everything sense the 90s.

At the end of the day its your own body and you gotta be carefully no matter what

Run EQ brother. Experience it. the important thing is to observe blood counts a couple times through your cycle. CBC panels are cheap and you get results super fast.

[JCFobsession]

Run EQ brother. Experience it. the important thing is to observe blood counts a couple times through your cycle. CBC panels are cheap and you get results super fast.

I will for sure be more catious, and get them checked Thank you!!!
I already made commitment to getting it and the $$ ..so I'll experience it with more care and concern then originally had thought

[ottomaddox]

Run EQ brother. Experience it. the important thing is to observe blood counts a couple times through your cycle. CBC panels are cheap and you get results super fast.

He should try it and then provide us with his blood work results as he progresses through his cycle.

[MajorPectorial]

Smh. Surely after looking at austs bloods you'd steer clear. Spend ur money on food n test base. ;-)

[Whiteboyy0]

What even makes you want to run eq? A friend said it was good?

[JCFobsession]

Smh. Surely after looking at austs bloods you'd steer clear. Spend ur money on food n test base. ;-)

I looked over it and did see a rise in RBC. which is normal behavior for being on gear and or other types of supplements.

Now not knowing too much of blood work counts in RBC. I'm wanting to do further research meaning talking to a doctor in this related field. If the rise in the RBC is that high or dangerous.

[JCFobsession]

What even makes you want to run eq? A friend said it was good?

I spoke to an individual of my overall goals and he stated I should run test and EQ.

So yes, I'm taking his advice and knowledge of being a person with years of knowledge and a user of gear.

I will check my cost sense my employee insurance is changing. But I will get BW
Before I start.... at 3 weeks in... And depending on week 3 work... a 9 week count.

I'm 28 over 210lbs
Work 6 days a week.
Mildly stressful commission job
Drink an energy a day
Take 2 scoops no xplode mon-Friday for pre workout
Take multis, omegas, bcaa, emergen C,
Don't drink
Don't smoke
Take tamoxifen, letro when needed
Take tadalafil when needed

I'll post results in this thread or new thread in lab section listed as

BEFORE, DURING, AFTER EQ BLOOD COUNT

[Hazard]

EQ is fvcking worthless..... Period.

It's also not a good idea to run it to heal injuries...... It has the ability to create new fibers in tendon but like winstrol it does NOT improve the cross-linking connectivity. In short this mean the tendon can become brittle and thus more susceptible to tearing.

I've already posted the study on this two or three times...... I'm sure it can be found using the search function.

Back to EQ being useless...... Many people have run this compound against the advice of some here. That in and of itself is fine because compounds DO affect people differently. The funny thing tho...... Is a shit ton of people come back an say "you were right....."

EQ is also KNOWN to increase rbc's...... That's not even disputable. It's probably the best compound out there for it next to anadrol possibly. Polycythemia is a real issue and needs to be taken seriously.

Here's my advice to those who still want to use EQ..... Run a very low dosage of test and run your EQ with it. Keep a log and report back to us on how it goes. DO NOT use any other compound...... Throwing more compounds in the mix gives false results. People run test/tren/EQ and come back here claiming these awesome gains...... NO SHIT! You were running a compound 7 times more anabolic and 5 times more androgenic than testosterone...... Ofcoarse you got results. If you really want proof of what EQ does...... Run it along side just a low dose of test.

[OnTheSauce]

Eq is crap. No gains, waste of money. I would be one of those stubborn people who had to try it themselves since all the bros swore by it

[chuckt12345]

what cycle is this?

[JCFobsession]

It's gonna be a test and EQ only cycle!!

So what your telling me is to flush it down the toilet!! The money I spent just consider it a bad choice and call it a lose of my money??

[JCFobsession]

EQ is fvcking worthless..... Period.

It's also not a good idea to run it to heal injuries...... It has the ability to create new fibers in tendon but like winstrol it does NOT improve the cross-linking connectivity. In short this mean the tendon can become brittle and thus more susceptible to tearing.

I've already posted the study on this two or three times...... I'm sure it can be found using the search function.

Back to EQ being useless...... Many people have run this compound against the advice of some here. That in and of itself is fine because compounds DO affect people differently. The funny thing tho...... Is a shit ton of people come back an say "you were right....."

EQ is also KNOWN to increase rbc's...... That's not even disputable. It's probably the best compound out there for it next to anadrol possibly. Polycythemia is a real issue and needs to be taken seriously.

Here's my advice to those who still want to use EQ..... Run a very low dosage of test and run your EQ with it. Keep a log and report back to us on how it goes. DO NOT use any other compound...... Throwing more compounds in the mix gives false results. People run test/tren/EQ and come back here claiming these awesome gains...... NO SHIT! You were running a compound 7 times more anabolic and 5 times more androgenic than testosterone...... Ofcoarse you got results. If you really want proof of what EQ does...... Run it along side just a low dose of test.

So when you ran EQ what we're your mgs a week and how long did you run it???

Also what was your test mgs a week???

Thanks

[JCFobsession]

Eq is crap. No gains, waste of money. I would be one of those stubborn people who had to try it themselves since all the bros swore by it

What we're your MGS@ WEEK when using EQ? ?

[OnTheSauce]

What we're your MGS@ WEEK when using EQ? ?

1200 test and 900 eq. 16 weeks. I made gains, but nothing I wouldn't have done with test only. I got hungry around week 4 but that only lasted a few weeks then faded. My rbc and hematocrit sky rocketed. Screwed up CBC not worth it bro. Sell the eq

[JCFobsession]

1200 test and 900 eq. 16 weeks. I made gains, but nothing I wouldn't have done with test only. I got hungry around week 4 but that only lasted a few weeks then faded. My rbc and hematocrit sky rocketed. Screwed up CBC not worth it bro. Sell the eq

Damn see I'm not on that level of high doses.
I was only gonna run test at 500-600 and EQ at 400! Which as stated above from my buddy who is a knowledge user, is a safe effect dose.

He actually said 600 cyp 600 EQ.