Mixing testosterone esters

[IronClydes]

Hey guys,

I'm looking to increase my current blast from 500 to 700. I only ever used testosterone cypionate. However, this time I would like to use testosterone E for the extra 200. Is it a good idea to mix esters of testosterone for a blast?

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Buster Brown]

Yup, no problem!

[RA]

Just curious. Why are you upping the dose instead of throwing in other compounds?

[IronClydes]

Just curious. Why are you upping the dose instead of throwing in other compounds?

Because this is only my second blast and the going advice so far on the forums is to stick with the simple blast until it stops working then to consider stacking.

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

Yup, no problem!

I know it takes test Cyp about four weeks to be in full effect for a blast. How does that timeframe change for test E? In other words for the 200 increase with test E starting tomorrow, how long before that increase is realized?

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[RA]

You know how your body responds to test now. I wouldn't just keep upping the dose. Maybe increase it a little but throw in something depending on what your doing...cutting, bulking, etc.

[IronClydes]

You know how your body responds to test now. I wouldn't just keep upping the dose. Maybe increase it a little but throw in something depending on what your doing...cutting, bulking, etc.

I'm on the fifth week of the blast right now. My first blast I felt and experienced much more at this dose. As it takes four weeks for testosterone cypionate to be in full of fact, I waited that duration before considering raising it. I spoke with a few other members on the forums and was told 500 is a beginners dose of testosterone. As such, it seems fitting.to increase my dose. As I understand it, as long as testosterone alone does the job, there is no reason to stack and to do so too soon would be wasteful. I am a newbie to this and learning still

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

You know how your body responds to test now. I wouldn't just keep upping the dose. Maybe increase it a little but throw in something depending on what your doing...cutting, bulking, etc.

My goal by the way is currently prioritized upon cutting. However, as I'm sure others feel, I would love to put on some lean mass in the process... I know that's unrealistic of course

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Buster Brown]

Your second blast you are increasing 200 mgs a week. If you keep following that mentality you will doing a gram of tes by your 3rd or 4 th cycle when you could have got the same results on less gear. If you grew well on 500 mgs then repeat, no need to increase yet......especially on a cut where you are looking to simply preserve the muscle tissue.

[IronClydes]

Your second blast you are increasing 200 mgs a week. If you keep following that mentality you will doing a gram of tes by your 3rd or 4 th cycle when you could have got the same results on less gear. If you grew well on 500 mgs then repeat, no need to increase yet......especially on a cut where you are looking to simply preserve the muscle tissue.

I have gotten no results and have lost strength. This is prescription testosterone. So it's not bunk. But, this feels nothing like the first...

I did some research and blasting at 500 alone is considered pretty low for someone my size who's been lifting for over 18 years.

I don't intend to keep increasing each cycle; just wanted to be at a more realistic dose. I started the blast on 4/11 and feel exactly the same. Strength not moving.

Subsequent cycles may actually grow into stacks, but not more and more test.

What is your advice? Drop back to 500 and ride it out? Feels like a waste of my second blast. . Maybe focus on gains and cut after the blast?

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Buster Brown]

Focus on gains.......worry about the cut later. That just doesn't add up that you don't feel anything......did you get it from a pharmacy yourself? Have you got any BW done?

[IronClydes]

Focus on gains.......worry about the cut later.

Sounds good to me. Still okay to do 700 test?

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

Focus on gains.......worry about the cut later. That just doesn't add up that you don't feel anything......did you get it from a pharmacy yourself? Have you got any BW done?

It is my prescribed supply. I am prescribed more than I need and allow extra to build up for these blasts. I might have to buy some E, however, to make up the extra 200...I can do E or Cyp. My co-worker has both, from dragon pharm. he would likely be my supplier in future stacks as well.

Last blood work was just before my blast.

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Buster Brown]

It is my prescribed supply. I am prescribed more than I need and allow extra to build up for these blasts. I might have to buy some E, however, to make up the extra 200...I can do E or Cyp. My co-worker has both, from dragon pharm. he would likely be my supplier in future stacks as well. Last blood work was just before my blast. 222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

Ok.....well, I would bet my socks that the dragon pharma is going to be under dosed so beware. I am just trying impress upon you to increase your dosages slowly and not be reckless ( not trying to imply that you are). Of course you want results but you don't want to end up being the guy doing 2 grams of gear to get results when he could have done it on 1....that's all. With that dose of tes I would focus on gaining and keep in mind that on a cut you won't need that high of a dose ....so focus on size.

[IronClydes]

Ok.....well, I would bet my socks that the dragon pharma is going to be under dosed so beware. I am just trying impress upon you to increase your dosages slowly and not be reckless ( not trying to imply that you are). Of course you want results but you don't want to end up being the guy doing 2 grams of gear to get results when he could have done it on 1....that's all. With that dose of tes I would focus on gaining and keep in mind that on a cut you won't need that high of a dose ....so focus on size.

My gut tells me that is the right approach as well. Thanks once again Buster.

One more question: is there a benefit to doing the extra 200 with E? He has both E and Cyp. If there is no benefit to mixing the esters, I mine as well stick with Cyp.

Also, regarding injection sites. I always alternate delts for all injections. So, each gets one injection (350 now) every week. Is there any benefit to splitting a single injection to other parts? Also, is there any benefit to alternating in more body parts? My caps and traps are fairing well from the site.

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Buster Brown]

There is no benefit to a different long Esther of tes. I would try to find two more injection sites and rotate 4. No need to split your single injections either .....just more senseless pinning

[-Horus-]

I know it takes test Cyp about four weeks to be in full effect for a blast. How does that timeframe change for test E? In other words for the 200 increase with test E starting tomorrow, how long before that increase is realized?

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

pretty much same thing, dont expect much for a few weeks IMO.

[-Horus-]

You know how your body responds to test now. I wouldn't just keep upping the dose. Maybe increase it a little but throw in something depending on what your doing...cutting, bulking, etc.

I do and i dont agree. I think higher dose test cycles are great, but i do agree not to have the mind set to just keep upping the dose. but I do like 750mg ew IMO
and i would just get the teste if its a higher concentration personally. but mixing the esters is a mute point, dont think of that much, its really not gonna change anything other than add hassle.

[IronClydes]

Ok.....well, I would bet my socks that the dragon pharma is going to be under dosed so beware. I am just trying impress upon you to increase your dosages slowly and not be reckless ( not trying to imply that you are). Of course you want results but you don't want to end up being the guy doing 2 grams of gear to get results when he could have done it on 1....that's all. With that dose of tes I would focus on gaining and keep in mind that on a cut you won't need that high of a dose ....so focus on size.

Okay, so this Cyp says 250. 200 more accurate expectation from them for dosing purposes?

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222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

There is no benefit to a different long Esther of tes. I would try to find two more injection sites and rotate 4. No need to split your single injections either .....just more senseless pinning

Okay so rotate quads or glutes into the mix.

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

pretty much same thing, dont expect much for a few weeks IMO.

Got it

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

I do and i dont agree. I think higher dose test cycles are great, but i do agree not to have the mind set to just keep upping the dose. but I do like 750mg ew IMO and i would just get the teste if its a higher concentration personally. but mixing the esters is a mute point, dont think of that much, its really not gonna change anything other than add hassle.

Okay, great. 700-750 a week is my goal. After a couple cycles of blasting I will look into stacks. Thanks.

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Buster Brown]

Okay, so this Cyp says 250. 200 more accurate expectation from them for dosing purposes? <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=157112"/> 222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

That's tough to actually know for sure without bw so i don't want to say yes......how about just be aware that you may have to adjust your dosage. This has always been my pet peave with ugl stuff because it can vary cycle to cycle so it gets hard to figure what your really dosing and then end up throwing the kitchen sink into the cycle.

[IronClydes]

That's tough to actually know for sure without bw so i don't want to say yes......how about just be aware that you may have to adjust your dosage. This has always been my pet peave with ugl stuff because it can vary cycle to cycle so it gets hard to figure what your really dosing and then end up throwing the kitchen sink into the cycle.

Understood.

222.5, 6', 34, 13.8% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.