The Usual Suspects: Dream Team Elite = Boys with a Bright Future...

[XnavyHMCS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4ff52lTRk

You gents have probably seen this atrocious example of sportsmanship and respect for authority...

Of course, the usual suspects will turn around and play the F1 Card (see what I did there), even though it appears to me that the official receiving the beat down is also of the same ethnicity, just like that time, years back, when the high school football player assaulted the ref on the field.

What the hell is wrong with some of these kids nowadays?

Yeah, and the other ref (I may be mistaken, but I believe that the third official on the court was a female, so she gets a pass), WTF was his problem? Ever heard of helping out your buddy? What kind of man could just stand by while, basically your partner, gets his ass handed to him...?

And those kids, let me be crystal fucking clear for any of our "colored" members; I don't give a flying fuck what color the perpetrators are, those kids should face adult charges of assault and battery...!!! Kinda like: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[JaneDoe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4ff52lTRk

You gents have probably seen this atrocious example of sportsmanship and respect for authority...

Of course, the usual suspects will turn around and play the F1 Card (see what I did there), even though it appears to me that the official receiving the beat down is also of the same ethnicity, just like that time, years back, when the high school football player assaulted the ref on the field.

What the hell is wrong with some of these kids nowadays?

Yeah, and the other ref (I may be mistaken, but I believe that the third official on the court was a female, so she gets a pass), WTF was his problem? Ever heard of helping out your buddy? What kind of man could just stand by while, basically your partner, gets his ass handed to him...?

And those kids, let me be crystal fucking clear for any of our "colored" members; I don't give a flying fuck what color the perpetrators are, those kids should face adult charges of assault and battery...!!! Kinda like: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

This generation of teenage children is spoiled! I keep asking myself, if the referee went flying, punches these teenagers, the media would say he did it wrong! But the hell a bunch of thugs coming up what to do? Call the police? But where are the security ? If I were the referee I would smash them all!

[wango]

My Polish brother, I’m not trying to argue with you but . . . .

Dude, those are 8th graders. The ref never should have thrown that first punch of his, which btw, could have seriously hurt one of those kids and gotten him arrested. As it is, his career should be over dealing with anyone except adults. Who knows, maybe that attacked ref was being a dick and had said some shit and the other refs went out of their way not to help. Plus, even if the other ref tries to help, he’s going to get hit and if he responds against an 8th grader (with no weapons) it’s a lose, lose situation.

Yup, kids are out of hand these days and it doesn’t help that there seems to be a growing shortage of responsible parents/adults. Did I hear the reporter say that the coach later made a death threat? That entire thing was disgusting and there better be some punishments.

[Iranon]

The usual suspects, no surprises here. This has been their way since the beginning of time.

[Iranon]

Dude, those are 8th graders. The ref never should have thrown that first punch of his

He did not throw the first punch. Stop making excuses for savages.

If a pack of wild dogs attack me I will fight back 100% and no shits are given about age or gender.

[wango]

He did not throw the first punch. Stop making excuses for savages.

If a pack of wild dogs attack me I will fight back 100% and no shits are given about age or gender.

Read, I said first punch of his. I did not say he threw the first punch.

This was an organized basketball game played in a church gym, not an inner city pickup game.

First rule when you’re managing kids in organized sports or in school is that you do not fight/attack like that, never. Repeat, never in that setting.

[Mooseman33]

My Polish brother, I’m not trying to argue with you but . . . .

Dude, those are 8th graders. The ref never should have thrown that first punch of his, which btw, could have seriously hurt one of those kids and gotten him arrested. As it is, his career should be over dealing with anyone except adults. Who knows, maybe that attacked ref was being a dick and had said some shit and the other refs went out of their way not to help. Plus, even if the other ref tries to help, he’s going to get hit and if he responds against an 8th grader (with no weapons) it’s a lose, lose situation.

Yup, kids are out of hand these days and it doesn’t help that there seems to be a growing shortage of responsible parents/adults. Did I hear the reporter say that the coach later made a death threat? That entire thing was disgusting and there better be some punishments.

victim role, pure pathetic. 8th grade kids can cause alot of harm, and regardless of age, that many coming at once you have every right to defend urself. That does not mean wait to get hit.
people in cali have a very soft way to look at shit.

[wango]

victim role, pure pathetic. 8th grade kids can cause alot of harm, and regardless of age, that many coming at once you have every right to defend urself. That does not mean wait to get hit.
people in cali have a very soft way to look at shit.

You must have quite a lack of confidence in yourself if you are afraid of a weaponless 8th grader in a church gym. Now the 12 year old gangbangers we have in our park is a different story because they’ll come at you with more than a kick or a punch. There’s a 13 on the side of that tree. Ironically, very friendly kids actually. Polite too. That said, I’ll buy my pot from a dispensary instead.

[Iranon]

Read, I said first punch of his. I did not say he threw the first punch.

This was an organized basketball game played in a church gym, not an inner city pickup game.

First rule when you’re managing kids in organized sports or in school is that you do not fight/attack like that, never. Repeat, never in that setting.

I did read and you said and I quote

"The ref never should have thrown that first punch"

If you are attacked fight back or be a simp, your choice.

[wango]

I did read and you said and I quote

"The ref never should have thrown that first punch"

If you are attacked fight back or be a simp, your choice.

Left 2 words off that quote, didn’t you or is that fake news? I don’t hit women either. 21 years teaching teenagers, never needed to. That includes breaking up brawls between multiple kids, some which could have been armed. Maybe had a football sized player that could have done damage if he got in a clean shot, but never really concerned me. 21 years and my record was 0-0, great way to end a career.

[Mooseman33]

You must have quite a lack of confidence in yourself if you are afraid of a weaponless 8th grader in a church gym. Now the 12 year old gangbangers we have in our park is a different story because they’ll come at you with more than a kick or a punch. There’s a 13 on the side of that tree. Ironically, very friendly kids actually. Polite too. That said, I’ll buy my pot from a dispensary instead.

what video are u watching? it was not 1 8th grader. It was a group, large group of kids all making threatening movements. Just because its in a church the old ref should stand there and get beat down?

People in cali are backwards

come down here to south florida, a group of 8th graders would kill ur old ass.

[wango]

what video are u watching? it was not 1 8th grader. It was a group, large group of kids all making threatening movements. Just because its in a church the old ref should stand there and get beat down?

People in cali are backwards

come down here to south florida, a group of 8th graders would kill ur old ass.

I don’t care how many. You never lose your cool around kids. You want to beat up little 12 year olds and be proud of yourself, congrats.

[XnavyHMCS]

Hey gents... Didn't mean to open a can of worms here. In fact, I am a bit shocked by any dissent on this matter...

I didn't catch the information where it was stated that the animals were in the 8th grade. That being said: I don't care if you are in the 6th grade; if there are multiple attackers, I will exercise my rights to self preservation and self defense. Even more so, when one watches the clip... Multiple attackers, no assistance from any of his fellow refs on the court, nor any intervention by concerned parents... The victim had to get upwards of 30 sutures... No. Any "child / children who can inflict such damage; they fully deserve to feel the full weight of the physical consequences for their actions...

Hats off to my Chitown brother Wango. I am not possessed of such self restraint.

I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6; as the saying goes...

[almostgone]

The police are investigating. I've watched the video numerous times.

The coach was backing away and the first youth continued to advance. Coach was justified. It's pretty much basic Georgia state law. Coach ended up with 30 stitches.

Kids want to attack an adult, they get treated as an adult. Kids get away with acts like that, they'll continue to do the same or escalate to worse acts.

[wango]

Hey gents... Didn't mean to open a can of worms here. In fact, I am a bit shocked by any dissent on this matter...

I didn't catch the information where it was stated that the animals were in the 8th grade. That being said: I don't care if you are in the 6th grade; if there are multiple attackers, I will exercise my rights to self preservation and self defense. Even more so, when one watches the clip... Multiple attackers, no assistance from any of his fellow refs on the court, nor any intervention by concerned parents... The victim had to get upwards of 30 sutures... No. Any "child / children who can inflict such damage; they fully deserve to feel the full weight of the physical consequences for their actions...

Hats off to my Chitown brother Wango. I am not possessed of such self restraint.

I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6; as the saying goes...

Different perspective as a high school teacher my brother. Honestly, could have had a class room of 9th graders try to kick my butt, but I could have gently pushed them away, made jokes & we all would have been laughing our asses off to conclude the dust up. Trust me, I’ve had kids booted from my class or the school for less. No need for physicality against the little ones.

Hope all is well in Poland youngster, sincerely.

[Test Monsterone]

What were the demographics in your school, Wango? I’ve seen a bunch of these videos lately - one in which the kids are throwing their chairs and desks at a teacher and he’s bleeding (they are all black in that one). I also saw one where a white kid is running a race and a black kid comes out of nowhere and punches him during the race. I don’t see that many with white/Hispanic/other kids going nuts. Seems like a lot of black kids grow up without a proper family structure cause dads can’t keep their dicks in their pants, so they end up behaving like this. Some of the worst kids I remember in my school were black, tbh, but maybe I just remember them because they stood out more to me in a school with mostly white kids. There were definitely a lot of bad white kids, though. My 8th grade class was all the worst kids in one room and they tortured our teacher who was teaching her first year at that time, and I was new to that school. All white kids except for one black girl who kicked a kid in the nuts so hard he had to get surgery to remove a ball… he teased her a lot and pulled out her hair once. Then the kid got home schooled lol.

Let’s face it, we know what the deal is. You have to be blind to not see ratios when it comes to violence and who is committing the most.

[almostgone]

It all boils down to the bottom line....lack of discipline, which should begin at home.
When there's 13 year old kids beating up on teachers on both sides of the the country, it points to a disturbing trend.

[Honkey_Kong]

It all boils down to the bottom line....lack of discipline, which should begin at home.
When there's 13 year old kids beating up on teachers on both sides of the the country, it points to a disturbing trend.

It's just another sign that America is sharply in decline. Without values and morals (which include teaching children discipline), the country will just tear itself apart. These kids are just a symptom of the greater problem and it's not going to fix itself by throwing money at it or some coming up with a catchy slogan (like "Be a Star").

[wango]

It all boils down to the bottom line....lack of discipline, which should begin at home.
When there's 13 year old kids beating up on teachers on both sides of the the country, it points to a disturbing trend.

It’s adult leadership in general. Absolutely should begin at home, but depending upon the home life, it could be more difficult . Even in more affluent school districts they have homeless kids at your school, kids where you are told specifically which parent you should not talk to/give information to because they are a danger to the child, substance abuse by the parent or parents. Yup, it’s a shit show, which is why many kids rely on organized sports for an escape. As an adult dealing with kids in an organized setting such as the video, you better go into that situation knowing that or you have no place there. I am only addressing the video on this thread. I am considering the setting, the ages. If this were a high school football game with weight trained, 200 pound, 17 year olds in pads and cleats, different scenario. If this were in the street with a gang of teens, different scenario. This was an 8th grade basketball squad. Though some of them might be tall, are rail thin and in shorts and tennis shoes. That ref was kicked and punched repeatedly in the head and only needed stitches.

[almostgone]

Bottom line....allow the behavior and the behavior bill be repeated.

It's a disservice to kids when they aren't corrected. It just leads them down the wrong road.

Remember the coach backed up, the kid kept coming. Better the kid learn the lesson from a fist in a gym than in the street from the barrel of a 9mm that's in the hands of a thug or banger....and again, the coach met the criteria for legitimate self defense. The coach was under no requirement to retreat by Georgia law, but he did....and the kid kept advancing.

Sorry man, we'll have to disagree. You can't allow that behavior to fly....it only brings further incidents. Want to help the kid? Do them a favor Correct his behavior. Teach them that just because they get pissed that can't engage in that type of behavior.

Don't correct the behavior and it will only continue.

[almostgone]

For now, I'm crashing out for a bit. Another 12 hour shift starts in 10 hours. Not going to be able to discuss this further right now.

[wango]

What were the demographics in your school, Wango? I’ve seen a bunch of these videos lately - one in which the kids are throwing their chairs and desks at a teacher and he’s bleeding (they are all black in that one). I also saw one where a white kid is running a race and a black kid comes out of nowhere and punches him during the race. I don’t see that many with white/Hispanic/other kids going nuts. Seems like a lot of black kids grow up without a proper family structure cause dads can’t keep their dicks in their pants, so they end up behaving like this. Some of the worst kids I remember in my school were black, tbh, but maybe I just remember them because they stood out more to me in a school with mostly white kids. There were definitely a lot of bad white kids, though. My 8th grade class was all the worst kids in one room and they tortured our teacher who was teaching her first year at that time, and I was new to that school. All white kids except for one black girl who kicked a kid in the nuts so hard he had to get surgery to remove a ball… he teased her a lot and pulled out her hair once. Then the kid got home schooled lol.

Let’s face it, we know what the deal is. You have to be blind to not see ratios when it comes to violence and who is committing the most.

Sure we have had teachers hassled and assaulted. You best know that in high school, looks matter, even if you are a teacher or an administrator. Don’t have the “right” look, it’s going to be a hellish career & you should consider a change of professions. Unfortunate and unfair? Maybe, but that’s the reality. Added bonus is if you are a new teacher, your chances for success and reaching tenure have gotten slimmer since I’ve been in the profession, which is why less and less adults want to do the job.

Our worse situation was a brawl at lunch where over a 1000 high school teens (less than 1/2 our school population) were crammed into our open, outdoors space in the middle of the school. BTW, the physical difference between the average squirrelly 8th grader, a ninth grader and a 12th grader are worlds apart (then throw in racial tension?). There were dozens of separate fights involving hundreds of teens. There were 2 races that always went at each other and then another 2 races added in. As we are a “better” school, we’ve never had a shooting on our campus & no guns were involved that day. It took the riot police in full gear about 20 minutes to arrive. There were injuries and arrests. In that situation or one similar, if even you are just breaking up a fight, you should expect to get hit, but as an adult you do not hit back. If you can’t accept/maintain that, you stay on the sidelines.

[Test Monsterone]

Sure we have had teachers hassled and assaulted. You best know that in high school, looks matter, even if you are a teacher or an administrator. Don’t have the “right” look, it’s going to be a hellish career & you should consider a change of professions. Unfortunate and unfair? Maybe, but that’s the reality. Added bonus is if you are a new teacher, your chances for success and reaching tenure have gotten slimmer since I’ve been in the profession, which is why less and less adults want to do the job.

Our worse situation was a brawl at lunch where over a 1000 high school teens (less than 1/2 our school population) were crammed into our open, outdoors space in the middle of the school. BTW, the physical difference between the average squirrelly 8th grader, a ninth grader and a 12th grader are worlds apart (then throw in racial tension?). There were dozens of separate fights involving hundreds of teens. There were 2 races that always went at each other and then another 2 races added in. As we are a “better” school, we’ve never had a shooting on our campus & no guns were involved that day. It took the riot police in full gear about 20 minutes to arrive. There were injuries and arrests. In that situation or one similar, if even you are just breaking up a fight, you should expect to get hit, but as an adult you do not hit back. If you can’t accept/maintain that, you stay on the sidelines.

Have you had any students attack you physically? I think it's one thing to break up a fight between students, and another when the violence is directed at you as an administrator.

[wango]

Have you had any students attack you physically? I think it's one thing to break up a fight between students, and another when the violence is directed at you as an administrator.

BTW, never wanted to be an administrator, teaching was really my life’s calling and I had a blessed 21 years.

I’ve had kids want to fight and actually approach me. Lots of profanity, obvious body language. You remain firm, confident, in control but you don’t risk physical exchanges because that is a lose/lose situation. I’ve been reprimanded for language usage, but in some instances it established more seriousness in my authority and it de escalated the situation. No one has ever touched me in class. Outside, monitoring hallways and separating kids, I’ve been bumped up against chest to chest, but they knew better and backed off, even the older/bigger ones.

Each distinct race, nationality (we had at our particular school) had specific tendencies that you need to be in tune with because of how they deal with authority figures (clearing voice here, like the ref at a basketball game). I’ve been called racist by kids and their parents too many times to count so you have to be very cautious in that setting how you approach it. It’s particularly challenging when a parent just moved their kid out of a rough school/neighborhood and they have to adapt to a stricter set of rules.

When we have a shortage of substitute teachers you’ll have to cover an unknown class during your preparation period. That can be trippy as you truly hear outrageous horror stories about what happens occasionally in classes with subs, it’s truly FUBAR. The reason I took my stance regarding this video, is that it seriously is amusing when a kid smaller than you and with far less strength tries to challenge your authority. I’ve actually laughed, which in a lot of occasions just deflates the kid. Seriously, untill you are regularly around 9th graders even, the size discrepancy between you and them is laughable and I don’t care if there’s a bunch of them (and between you and me, keeping this private, you know the group that I mean. They like to brawl and brawl in packs, never singularly).

Keep in mind as well, you are always being videoed by kids. Every remotely questionable move or word you utter can possibly get you suspended or fired.

[Test Monsterone]

BTW, never wanted to be an administrator, teaching was really my life’s calling and I had a blessed 21 years.

I’ve had kids want to fight and actually approach me. Lots of profanity, obvious body language. You remain firm, confident, in control but you don’t risk physical exchanges because that is a lose/lose situation. I’ve been reprimanded for language usage, but in some instances it established more seriousness in my authority and it de escalated the situation. No one has ever touched me in class. Outside, monitoring hallways and separating kids, I’ve been bumped up against chest to chest, but they knew better and backed off, even the older/bigger ones.

Each distinct race, nationality (we had at our particular school) had specific tendencies that you need to be in tune with because of how they deal with authority figures (clearing voice here, like the ref at a basketball game). I’ve been called racist by kids and their parents too many times to count so you have to be very cautious in that setting how you approach it. It’s particularly challenging when a parent just moved their kid out of a rough school/neighborhood and they have to adapt to a stricter set of rules.

When we have a shortage of substitute teachers you’ll have to cover an unknown class during your preparation period. That can be trippy as you truly hear outrageous horror stories about what happens occasionally in classes with subs, it’s truly FUBAR. The reason I took my stance regarding this video, is that it seriously is amusing when a kid smaller than you and with far less strength tries to challenge your authority. I’ve actually laughed, which in a lot of occasions just deflates the kid. Seriously, untill you are regularly around 9th graders even, the size discrepancy between you and them is laughable and I don’t care if there’s a bunch of them (and between you and me, keeping this private, you know the group that I mean. They like to brawl and brawl in packs, never singularly).

Keep in mind as well, you are always being videoed by kids. Every remotely questionable move or word you utter can possibly get you suspended or fired.

Got you. I know you were a teacher, I just use that term loosely. I know what group you’re talking about. Imagine they were 13% of the population instead, that would suck.

I personally don’t think a student should be allowed to show any aggression toward a teacher, whether physically/body language, or verbally. My parents went to school in Eastern Europe in the 60’s and there was no chance of talking back even. That was unheard of…. And now you got kids doing this type of shit. How did things digress so much?

[wango]

Got you. I know you were a teacher, I just use that term loosely. I know what group you’re talking about. Imagine they were 13% of the population instead, that would suck.

I personally don’t think a student should be allowed to show any aggression toward a teacher, whether physically/body language, or verbally. My parents went to school in Eastern Europe in the 60’s and there was no chance of talking back even. That was unheard of…. And now you got kids doing this type of shit. How did things digress so much?

It’s the norm. Social standards are way more lax, maybe, movies, tv, music contribute? Parents rarely back you & administrators have to side with the parents or will lose their jobs.

The newer generation of PTs my wife had to introduce & work with to get adjusted were difficult as they mostly come in with attitudes and are rude, but that too was the new norm.

Hey I largely agree with all of the other posters, this shit is ridiculous. My point was that in that setting I thought something the ref did definitely triggered the kids coach & the kids reaction, but throwing that punch escalated that particular setting & made things worse instead of better.

[XnavyHMCS]

I graduated HS in 83, and I cannot recall ever hearing of an incident like this, during my time playing sports.

For a multitude of reasons, some of today's youth are out of control.

[wango]

I graduated HS in 83, and I cannot recall ever hearing of an incident like this, during my time playing sports.

For a multitude of reasons, some of today's youth are out of control.

Although having graduated almost 10 years earlier than you and already teaching, I guarantee you that us as teachers were already saying, “what’s going on with this new generation of kids” (your graduating class)?

You are 100% correct. But go back to this exact situation, if the ref really stood his ground and really started clocking people, drawing some blood, etc. Think about what this new generation of kids or fans are going to do in turn? You’re telling me there are zero odds that one or more of those kids didn’t have a hand gun in their gym bag or locker? Or a fan? The ref got up and walked away with stitches & nobody else was hurt.

We have security at organized sports for a reason. Regrettably not as much at Dodger stadium (or the Colloseum when the Raiders used to play, lol). Maybe learning some manners and etiquette should start with the adults that go to and supervise sporting events.

How are Polish kids/schools compared to ours? I was told by many of the kids that migrated from other countries, that discipline was far stricter in their old schools. Then ironically, these same kids became the most PITA kids in your class, go figure. Nice thread; you piggy backing off of Davi in keeping things fresh and “interesting” here, lol ?

[almostgone]

I hate to say it, but it is what it is. Morals and discipline (which should begin at home) are in a huge decline. Kids idolize gangs/gang activities/ and many are wannabe bangers. Even 2 towns away from me in my part of the country, certains areas of the old parts of the city have gang graffiti everywhere.


Not cutting down on metropolitan areas/big cities, but the difference between city youth and rural kids is borderline mind-blowing. Yes, you have the odd duck rural kids that aren't worth 2 rows of rabbit shit, but that's the beauty of rural America. LE in small towns/rural America get to know the bad apples and they get a little extra attention. Not to say they are targeted, but they are under closer scrutiny.

Again, discipline begins at home. Just because the kid on the court that was advancing in a threatening manner didn't agree with the ref, he was the one out of line. At least in my portion of the country he was out of line.

I would stay and discuss this further, but it's going to be a long shift, plus Mrs. AG has appointments with her rheumatologist and nephrologist tomorrow, so I'll be pretty busy. I almost always on the board, so maybe I'll get a chance to drop back in.

[wango]

I hate to say it, but it is what it is. Morals and discipline (which should begin at home) are in a huge decline. Kids idolize gangs/gang activities/ and many are wannabe bangers. Even 2 towns away from me in my part of the country, certains areas of the old parts of the city have gang graffiti everywhere.


Not cutting down on metropolitan areas/big cities, but the difference between city youth and rural kids is borderline mind-blowing. Yes, you have the odd duck rural kids that aren't worth 2 rows of rabbit shit, but that's the beauty of rural America. LE in small towns/rural America get to know the bad apples and they get a little extra attention. Not to say they are targeted, but they are under closer scrutiny.

Again, discipline begins at home. Just because the kid on the court that was advancing in a threatening manner didn't agree with the ref, he was the one out of line. At least in my portion of the country he was out of line.

I would stay and discuss this further, but it's going to be a long shift, plus Mrs. AG has appointments with her rheumatologist and nephrologist tomorrow, so I'll be pretty busy. I almost always on the board, so maybe I'll get a chance to drop back in.

At this stage we are largely talking about different things. I won’t point fingers at city vs. rural raising of youths, but that vid happened far closer to you than it did to me. I can’t speak of how the kids from the south are raised, so I won’t try. I can only speak about the well mannered kids that were the far majority that were under my watch, that say: thank you, sir, hold doors open and do volunteer service out of the bottom of their hearts.

As I said earlier, if any of you feel striking a 13 year old that is undersized to you in a setting like that, that’s your chosen right, just as I have a right to feel it’s wrong. You don’t have to hate to say that morals & discipline are on the decline, because it’s been plainly visible since I’ve been aware of things for over 50 years now. It’s not like I don’t hate it, nor don’t want it to change it. Damn right it starts at home, but if the home ain’t there, we as a society can make an attempt at showing them better through our actions or just punch them in the mouth when they act up to teach them right from wrong.

Bet my bottom $ either a kid or a fan had a hand gun that day and if enough blood was spilled by the ref. you would have seen a much larger tragedy. Would that be the refs fault? Yup, because he should have known better and seen it coming.

[JaneDoe]

Wango the referee should exchange punches and kicks with them! If you think about vandalism, what happens in the USA is very mild, in Brazil, many 12 to 17 year olds kill people in traffic because of "PIX on their cell phone) Bunch of mice that take people's money and kill without mercy .. .I don't know how the Statute of Children and Adolescents in the USA works, if they are criminally punished...In Brazil they cannot respond in court because they are minors...Here they can kill, steal, kill , stab people .

[XnavyHMCS]

We have security at organized sports for a reason. Regrettably not as much at Dodger stadium (or the Colloseum when the Raiders used to play, lol). Maybe learning some manners and etiquette should start with the adults that go to and supervise sporting events.

How are Polish kids/schools compared to ours? I was told by many of the kids that migrated from other countries, that discipline was far stricter in their old schools. Then ironically, these same kids became the most PITA kids in your class, go figure. Nice thread; you piggy backing off of Davi in keeping things fresh and “interesting” here, lol ?

Hey buddy, I know that there is security at organized sporting events, at the HS level, for certain. But I would imagine that guards are watching the entrance / exit points primarily, and perhaps policing less the actual field of play. My guess would be that there is more apt to be an incident in and around the spectators, than on the field.

Whether security was there or not; I stand by every mans right to defend himself FROM ANY THREAT, in any given moment.

"How are Polish kids/schools compared to ours?" I must admit to having a rather skewed knowledge in this field, due to the fact that I a have a contract at a somewhat exclusive HS; so I am interacting with, what in my experience are, very well behaved/good students, for the most part. As an example I can tell you that, in the three years since they contracted me, I have yet to see (or even hear of) one single fight, and only once did I happen to walk-in on a guy smoking an e-cig in the restroom... These kids are nothing like the all white, middle class HS that I went to. I have heard that it is radically different in the lower quality schools and vocational schools. Also, at least in my classes. the kids are really well behaved. I have banged on the desk a few times, spouted off some "colorful" language when I was pissed off, etc... But the kids and I have a really good relationship, nearly to the man/woman. I am again surprised by the number of kids at the school who are taking medication (anti anxiety, ADD, etc). I guess the medication is symptomatic of today's society, worldwide...

Wish I could give a better overall picture of the youth out here in Central Europe.

[almostgone]

At this stage we are largely talking about different things. I won’t point fingers at city vs. rural raising of youths, but that vid happened far closer to you than it did to me. I can’t speak of how the kids from the south are raised, so I won’t try. I can only speak about the well mannered kids that were the far majority that were under my watch, that say: thank you, sir, hold doors open and do volunteer service out of the bottom of their hearts.

As I said earlier, if any of you feel striking a 13 year old that is undersized to you in a setting like that, that’s your chosen right, just as I have a right to feel it’s wrong. You don’t have to hate to say that morals & discipline are on the decline, because it’s been plainly visible since I’ve been aware of things for over 50 years now. It’s not like I don’t hate it, nor don’t want it to change it. Damn right it starts at home, but if the home ain’t there, we as a society can make an attempt at showing them better through our actions or just punch them in the mouth when they act up to teach them right from wrong.

Bet my bottom $ either a kid or a fan had a hand gun that day and if enough blood was spilled by the ref. you would have seen a much larger tragedy. Would that be the refs fault? Yup, because he should have known better and seen it coming.

Not the ref's fault. He's not a friggin mind reader. If he was he wouldn't have backed up when the kid charged him. He would have known the kid's true intentions.
Whether it be the kid was going to swing or whether the kid was trying to make the ref flinch. Instead the ref backed up ( when NOT required to by law) to try to get a feel for the situation.

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...and no hate in my post, just disagreement.

[wango]

Wango the referee should exchange punches and kicks with them! If you think about vandalism, what happens in the USA is very mild, in Brazil, many 12 to 17 year olds kill people in traffic because of "PIX on their cell phone) Bunch of mice that take people's money and kill without mercy .. .I don't know how the Statute of Children and Adolescents in the USA works, if they are criminally punished...In Brazil they cannot respond in court because they are minors...Here they can kill, steal, kill , stab people .

Davi, I understand you (BTW, great movie about Brazilian youth criminals called “City of God”) but I have said repeatedly that I am not talking about situations outside of this church gym. We have MS 13 hanging out in the park that’s a 1 minute walk from our home. If you are in another gang, you wouldn’t go to that park as you will end up dead. Fortunately for the rest of the general public, it is absolutely safe.

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Hey buddy, I know that there is security at organized sporting events, at the HS level, for certain. But I would imagine that guards are watching the entrance / exit points primarily, and perhaps policing less the actual field of play. My guess would be that there is more apt to be an incident in and around the spectators, than on the field.

Whether security was there or not; I stand by every mans right to defend himself FROM ANY THREAT, in any given moment.

"How are Polish kids/schools compared to ours?" I must admit to having a rather skewed knowledge in this field, due to the fact that I a have a contract at a somewhat exclusive HS; so I am interacting with, what in my experience are, very well behaved/good students, for the most part. As an example I can tell you that, in the three years since they contracted me, I have yet to see (or even hear of) one single fight, and only once did I happen to walk-in on a guy smoking an e-cig in the restroom... These kids are nothing like the all white, middle class HS that I went to. I have heard that it is radically different in the lower quality schools and vocational schools. Also, at least in my classes. the kids are really well behaved. I have banged on the desk a few times, spouted off some "colorful" language when I was pissed off, etc... But the kids and I have a really good relationship, nearly to the man/woman. I am again surprised by the number of kids at the school who are taking medication (anti anxiety, ADD, etc). I guess the medication is symptomatic of today's society, worldwide...

Wish I could give a better overall picture of the youth out here in Central Europe.

The annual flag girl’s football game between our school and our decades long rivals across town, finally was cancelled/eliminated a few year years back because of the regular fights and brawls between the girls. BTW, this was a game for the “cuter, more attractive, sought after” girls, not the rough riders. Yes the security at our games is for crowds, but also participants. We have had situations in our larger region where refs were pushed and verbally assaulted, but not swung at. In just our school district, for larger games there will be police presence and our school’s neighborhood is affluent.

Fights were almost every day events at our school. I knew many of my recent students were proud gun owners and some of these are the kids that live in the multi million dollar homes in our hills around the school. Fortunately they haven’t made their way into our fights at school.

It’s amazing how many of our kids were/are on meds as well.

I’ll fully admit, things appear to be overall headed in a very bad direction and have been for a very long time.

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Not the ref's fault. He's not a friggin mind reader. If he was he wouldn't have backed up when the kid charged him. He would have known the kid's true intentions.
Whether it be the kid was going to swing or whether the kid was trying to make the ref flinch. Instead the ref backed up ( when NOT required to by law) to try to get a feel for the situation.

AG (and others) as I thought about this more, I understand I immediately saw this situation very differently for a specific reason. And this is not because I read minds.

When you are on the basketball court in high level games it is a different world with different rules of being “civil”; the ref knows that. Now these kids are in traveling teams as one was from another state (and the elite name of one team), the ref knew that. Some are on a traveling team as 8th graders so to get added exposure to high schools with better basketball programs (some private, some public schools, it just depends). Why, because those schools give them more exposure to colleges and scholarships during the next 4 years, including the NBA, which potentially some of these kids are thinking about. The ref knew that too. There’s money and sponsorships involved in these leagues as this is a business; the ref knew that too. Here’s a few chilling words the ref could have used: “hey you dumb mf’r, do you want to play high school ball in the future, step your . . . . . ass back”. Right then and there you’ve got a few kids hesitating. As it is, because he allowed it to escalate to the point it did, some of those kids just might have committed suicide regarding their transition into a choice high school basketball program, that’s the reality. Yup, shitty high school, less chance for college or a brighter future, current reality says that it’s back to the streets for you kid.

None of this shit is rocket science and no crystal balls are needed. It’s a unique situation in a unique setting in which the ref should have been aware of, which is why I said in one of my original posts, he should not be allowed to work with kids again.

Nobody has addressed the fact that I mentioned guns might have appeared if the ref drew serious blood or did serious damage. BTW, he should have known that too. JFC, how many kids were throwing haymakers and kicking him? And he only needed stitches and could immediately get up. Those kids were squirrelly twigs in gym shorts and sneakers, a single punch to them could do brain damage. Would that have been satisfactory? Heck, the law says so, so I guess, it’s alright then. Hey little bro, yup you bloodied my lip, but I just fucked up your brain & the rest of your life, but I bet you learned your lesson didn’t you?

I’ll stand by my opinion that his best option was not to throw punches in this exact situation. Peace guys, my last 20 years had me dealing with teens, some just like this and I see it totally differently. Like I said before, I’m proud to have retired 0-0 and definitely do not feel I’ve contributed to the downfall of civil, law-abiding young men.

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AG (and others) as I thought about this more, I understand I immediately saw this situation very differently for a specific reason. And this is not because I read minds.

When you are on the basketball court in high level games it is a different world with different rules of being “civil”; the ref knows that. Now these kids are in traveling teams as one was from another state (and the elite name of one team), the ref knew that. Some are on a traveling team as 8th graders so to get added exposure to high schools with better basketball programs (some private, some public schools, it just depends). Why, because those schools give them more exposure to colleges and scholarships during the next 4 years, including the NBA, which potentially some of these kids are thinking about. The ref knew that too. There’s money and sponsorships involved in these leagues as this is a business; the ref knew that too. Here’s a few chilling words the ref could have used: “hey you dumb mf’r, do you want to play high school ball in the future, step your . . . . . ass back”. Right then and there you’ve got a few kids hesitating. As it is, because he allowed it to escalate to the point it did, some of those kids just might have committed suicide regarding their transition into a choice high school basketball program, that’s the reality. Yup, shitty high school, less chance for college or a brighter future, current reality says that it’s back to the streets for you kid.

None of this shit is rocket science and no crystal balls are needed. It’s a unique situation in a unique setting in which the ref should have been aware of, which is why I said in one of my original posts, he should not be allowed to work with kids again.

Nobody has addressed the fact that I mentioned guns might have appeared if the ref drew serious blood or did serious damage. BTW, he should have known that too. JFC, how many kids were throwing haymakers and kicking him? And he only needed stitches and could immediately get up. Those kids were squirrelly twigs in gym shorts and sneakers, a single punch to them could do brain damage. Would that have been satisfactory? Heck, the law says so, so I guess, it’s alright then. Hey little bro, yup you bloodied my lip, but I just fucked up your brain & the rest of your life, but I bet you learned your lesson didn’t you?

I’ll stand by my opinion that his best option was not to throw punches in this exact situation. Peace guys, my last 20 years had me dealing with teens, some just like this and I see it totally differently. Like I said before, I’m proud to have retired 0-0 and definitely do not feel I’ve contributed to the downfall of civil, law-abiding young men.

Well.....damn it! We can agree to disagree and still be friends.

[wango]

Well.....damn it! We can agree to disagree and still be friends.

Hell f’n yes, AG

I love my movies so couldn’t resist. I spent 20 years on competitive basketball courts and when you are with “mixed company” in tense games, this movie ain’t far from the truth. This movie is almost 30 years old and things certainly haven’t gotten better.

Always a pleasure AG, Davi and Xnavy; I’m very proud to be considered as a friend.

[wango]

Found this amusing as it’s so true.