Tren & Test (any kind of test)
Deca & Test (any kind of test)
Anavar (Var) & Test (any kind of test)
EQ & Test (any kind of test)
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I've been doing some research on Tren--considering using it. However, based on what I've found, it's not worth messing with if I can get similar effects by runing the basics (tesosterone, deca, dbol) with anti-estrogens or by using winny or var.
Those of you who have used tren/test and deca/test stacks, please offer your comments on the differences you noted. Any benefits, drawbacks, etc to using either.
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I like the leaner gains I get from tren, and the unreal strength gains....... Deca bloats me and I hate to be bloated.
I got really bad sides from fina..... insomnia, night sweats, and acne (this was the worst side, on other AS I hardly break out).
So, I will probaly never use either again..... but tren IMO was superior of the two.
Prop/EQ is may favorite with a little Var
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Test/Tren...lean mass,great strength gains,ability to diet down,and still put on quality mass.....Down side..night sweats,insomnia,very high bp,rapid pulse,and slight aggression.
Test/deca....mass gains are about the only significant thing I can think of....down side for me was bloat.
Hard decission for me to make..depends on my goals.Even tho the sides were aweful with tren,the results surely made up for it.So I'd prob pick tren/test cycle myself.
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This is exactly why I think I'm going to stay away from tren. There are so many sides that many people experience regularly. Not like deca-dick, or balding from EQ or testosterone where some do and some don't get the sides. Just about all that have used tren have had bad sides.Originally Posted by Da Bull
I just posted an article about tren where the person observes that although tren is an excellent mass builder, it is still trumped by the overall mass building properties of testosterone.
I've made this observation silently quite a while ago, but almost everyone who talks about the sides of tren mentions distinct, increased agression. I wonder....when real fina was available was it responsible for the impression people now have of steroids causing wild mood swings and sudden aggression. Of course there's Halotestin that causes a definite increase in aggression too.
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very interesting thougt Bask8kace...I never pondered that idea,but you truly might have a strong point with your thoughts.Roid rage coming from evil fina doers,very good point.
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I've used tren/prop/var before loved them, I'll be using tren/test both with the enan ester with var next.
JohnnyB
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Fina never gave me mood swings..... and it doesn't take much for me to get nuts either.
Pimp in Training
prop and var, just because i hate to be bloated, and id rather gain 10 lean lbs, and stay lean, rather then gain 20 and have 30% of that be fat gains
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I've been using tren for eight weeks, test prop for two. My side effects have been acne on my back, aggression, and mild elevation in blood pressure, for which I have taken Atenolol 25mg Q day to keep it under control. If you're concerned about kidney function, you should have a few tests run when your body is cleared of the roids, then sometime mid-cycle or toward the end. A simple BUN and Creatinine clearance test from you Doc won't cost that much, and can save you a lot in the long-run, including peace of mind.
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i ran sust and deca for my 1st...and now in my 3rd im running prop/tren/winny....and i swear on my life it will be hard to ever top this cycle so far...i look the best i ever have...im the strongest i ever have been...and every morning is like christmas b/c i find new muscles, and better definition...
so my vote goes to prop/tren~!!!!!!!!!!!
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ColdStone,
What was your Prop/Tren/Winny Cycle? What type of Tren did you run with it?
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the cycle is in my sig...i know its a little more exotic than what you wanna run with the susp up front, and probably longer...but i got quick size...but im actually happeir with how i look right now...off of the susp, and off the winny...i feel great...
about the tren...honestly...i go the same sides from test alone...night sweats, and thats about it...i have a short tmeper as it is, so the tren may not help with that????
Im useing real trenbalone acte...i converted it myself...i use finaplix that first time...and im sure ill catch some **** on this...but you CAN tell the difference...finplix was ok...but i have never gotten this strong this quick, and this hard....im being serious when i said every morning is like christmas...and my girl sees i too...i look different ed...i love it...
prop/tren/and maybe some winny...yull be golden...you have the body for it too...nice and thick right now...youll add 10 solid lbs and lean up with a DECENT diet...not strict at all...i have a cheat meal about ED...and no fat gain what so ever...im cutting starting today so im gonna get clean...but it was nice to eat whatever when ever and not bloat or get fat!!!...i love this ****!
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It's experiences like that, that makes me considering thinking about maybe trying Tren, but has anyone gotten kidney labs (blood work) after Tren usage?
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no...i havent...probably should...and youve got a point...maybe i should after my 15 week run this time
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I've run Prop/Tren, Prop/Deca, Prop/EQ..
*Prop/Tren combo gave me crazy strength, vascularity, leaned me out like never before, and I maintain a fairly lean physique year round(10-13%)
Prop/Deca combo gave me mass gains, bloat, and good strength gains..I have always responded well to Deca..
As far as my Prop/EQ cycle it's hard to tell because I was running EQ 800mgs/wk, Prop 100mgs/ed, and Tren 100mgs/ed for 15 weeks..Tren was only for 6 weeks..It is hard to top the gains I got from this cycle, but it took a toll on me and I ended up sick for over 2 weeks..Viral..Not gear related, but it slowed my progress..
I will also comment on Tren as it is often spoken about..The sides for me personally were minor..Night sweats which eventually subsided after the 4th week, a little acne, NO mood swings or aggression, BP elevated, pulse rate elevated, but nothing dangerous..Of every AS I have used, I would pick Tren 10 out of 10 times because of the effects it has on me personally..I love Tren...
Okay, I know I've babbled on..So my vote would go to Prop/Tren
Doc M
I am getting ready to Run a Prop, Deca, and Tren combo here in the next month or so..I have NEVER had any ill effects from the Deca or Tren and NEVER need to use an anti-estrogen during these cycles..I will keep an update on this upcoming cycle since it is an odd and often frowned upon cycle combination..
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Basics for me. I am scared to death of Tren. I'll make it for some bro's of mine but I am scared of anything that tears up the kidneys.
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Every time I start to feel good about possibly using Tren, I'm reminded of another bad side effect.
Lozgog, I'm glad you responded. I had forgotten about the kidney effect. Finding blood in my urine is not something that I'd like to chance for just a bit of size.
Once again, the basics are looking safest and best.
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Everyone keeps saying Tren has so many bad sides. Well obviously I can't speak for everyone, but I'm on Tren now and I have ZERO sides. I sleep like I always have, no night sweats, and my skin is as clear as ever. As far as the other more serious sides, my BP is awesome (127/75) and my kidneys are fine. No pain, and my piss is clear. I have experienced all the benefits though, up like 10+lbs, and much stronger. Also my physique is changing dramtically, and I have burned fat. I guess i'm the ideal picture of steriod use though, everyone is different.
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Did you send your tren to be tested or did you make it yourself?
Are you using trenbolone acetate or trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate?
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Im using Tren that is Home brew. I got it from a VERY trusted source. Oh and yes its Acetate, the second one you mentioned is better know as Parabolan. If I'm correct the second one is amde only in France, and is very expensive. My Tren is also dosed at 100mgs/per ml.
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Everyone is different. I got a cousin, he does Deca only cycles for months and months, his first cycle was 3 months on Dbol at 100mg's a day, then added Sus 250 for another 2 months, he never did PCT or uses anti-E's. His biggest complaint as far as sides go is Acne on his back, and I seen it it's not that bad. Doesn't interfere with his shows. So go figure. I am side effect prone. If I took Tren, I would probaly need a transplant after week 1. lol.
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Can I get a prescription for tren/prop please.
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
Why does everyone use such high doses? Bask you my friend I know love low doses, why not something like 40mg ED....
Im on 50mg and this is just my 3rd day... Ill see how I feel in a week or two. I used prop last cycle and grew greatly I cant wait to see how this one unfolds.... 75mg of prop and 50mg of tren... lean mass is calling me...
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Mr. Sparkle,
Good point. I've considered doing lower doses of tren and prop. I just don't like the idea of the fact that sooo many people experience most of the bad sides that tren has to offer.
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ColdStone,
Thanks for the info. I'm still considering it. I'll probably use parabolan if I use tren at all.
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nice...para is hard to come by...ive seen it, but the price tag made me say whoa!
lots of old timers swear its better than tren so i would love to see you use it and give us feedback
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sorry to hear that coldstone....
As for me, looking forward to trying tren/test
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
Cool thing about tren is if the sides suck to bad drop it... I mean its out so fast. I really think you should really look into tren...
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True--another good point. I'm definitely swayable at this point, but leaning heavily toward the basics.
That's why I wanted to "think out loud" in this thread to see what others have to say about it.
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All this talk of tren and kidney damage is nonsense. It is an urban myth in the steriod circle. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ht=Tren+Kidney
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JohnDoe1234,
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this side effects (including kidney damage) as an urban myth.
When something is not true or not fully proven, one will often find many contradictory bits of information on the subject. The drug profiles on many different board tend to disband myths or challenge possible misinformation. This doesn't seem to be the case with kidney damage as a result of Tren. Remember kidney damage is not listed as a definite side-effect, it is listed as a possible side effect.
One thing I find interesting is that some write ups mention that after the original fina was no longer produced, the chances of getting real, pure tren on the black market dropped to approximately 5%. I'm not a home brew guru, so I don't know how close the homemade tren is to the origninal fina.
Anyway, if you have not have experienced any sides, from Tren, then that's excellent. But do not confuse your personal experience with what is definite for all others, because steroids affect each person differently.
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If you want a real good evalution of the validity of Tren Kidney damage then ask Pheedno. I was looking for some of his post on the subject, but couldnt find them. Also I have know many people personally that used Tren, and they also never had any complaints about Kidney pain. In all honesty if you ask any of the Vets or Mod's that are knowledgeable on the subject, I dont think you will find a single one that believes that Tren is kidney Toxic. Also it really doesn't make sense that it would be. Why would it damage Kidneys more than any other steriod?, it does not cointain any substance that places any more stress on Kidney function, than any other steriod.
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Prop/Tren ED Injects = Amazing Results.
I used BD and the results far surpassed what I was expecting in terms of hard LBM gains with next to nothing for sides.
Like Coldstone said diet on tren doesn't have to be all that strict and you still drop BF.
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I had great results from my first cycle of Test-e and Deca... I wouldn't mind doing it again... I do have it stocked up for my next cycle... On the same time, I had a significant gain of about 15-20lbs... it's hard to calculate since my body fat dropped as well... But, I'll do this again on my next cycle...
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BTW, This is part of the reason I'm posting about tren--I'd like to have discussions about it, so I can learn more.
So, JohnDoe1234, I'm glad you've joined the discussion. If you have other information about this, let me know.
I'm doing internet searches and board searches about this now, and ther is lots of conflicting info--more than I had originally found when reading about Tren since I have not been focusing on the kidney damage side effect of it.
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just curius... bascet case, Is that you on the photo?? How long have you been working out??
Sorry for loosing the thread.
Last edited by LILLEN; 06-08-2004 at 01:50 PM.
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i should know if i'm keeping permanent gains in another month or two... so stay tuned...
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Test and EQ seems like the best combo to me. EQ gives less sides and supression than tren or deca. Seems like a good stack to me, JMO.
-Good luck with your cycle
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Just a little something else to wet your appetite: I was reading through an old copy of MUSCULAR DEVELOPMENT magazine the other night (Aug, 2001). One of the cover articles was entitled: "Steroids, What's hot and what's not", by John Romano. When he talks about trenbolone (Finaplix), I quote, "Since "Fina" is in the form of a cattle implant, users mix their own solution for injection by grinding the pellets up, separating the binder and mixing the precipitate in sterile sesame oil with just a touch of Benzyl alchohol to kill bacteria. Although this is not thought to be a completely sanitary practice, Finaplix users report great strength and mass gains with no water retention. This has made it very appe****g for competitive athletes looking to shed fat, while trying to avoid water retention and keep a hard physique. My own personal experience with Fina was awesome. the injectable Fina I made out of the cow pellets was far and away the best drug I ever took for size and strength gains."
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Guys, this is a great thread! I have never given much thought to tren......hmmm
keep it coming! good stuff!
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