ok ive got to say this

[cantspeak]

why are there so many threads asking about cycles without test?Or cycles with Var or winnie only? I mean I didnt think a cycle was a cycle without test?

also alot of tren only cycles also. I dont know but these cycles just seem worthless IMHO. more sides and less gains doesnt make sense

[cantspeak]

And yes i did post that a buddy of mine did a d-bol only cycle, but id never do that, id wait till some test came about myself

He now regrets he did that causae his gains actually could have been done naturally with an eagles eye on diet and training

[pdog80]

Ok....one of the reasons why people choose to stack test with other AAS is so that their dick doesn't go limp. Everyone's different though. Some get suppressed even by taking low doses of deca, while others can run very high amounts of tren can still get it up. Also, stacking test with other AAS in my opinion enhances the cycle and muscle gains a bit. Personally, I'd never do a cycle that doesn't have test in it, but hey, that's just me.

[Hellmaskbanned]

*Different cycles for different goals*
Some don't want to use it because they are sensitive to certain sides.
Just some reasons.

[MrMent1on]

why are there so many threads asking about cycles without test?Or cycles with Var or winnie only? I mean I didnt think a cycle was a cycle without test?

also alot of tren only cycles also. I dont know but these cycles just seem worthless IMHO. more sides and less gains doesnt make sense

Bro where is it written again that says you cant do those things? bro its not recommended bu tits also not written that test must be a part o fevery cycle i know people who hate test and never do it also know people who hate injection and only take orals to each his own. your gains and your lose depends on your diets bro.

[cantspeak]

Bro where is it written again that says you cant do those things? bro its not recommended bu tits also not written that test must be a part o fevery cycle i know people who hate test and never do it also know people who hate injection and only take orals to each his own. your gains and your lose depends on your diets bro.

Its not written anywhere and i didnt say it was a written rule.Its just when you get in the game and start researching you learn how to stack and so on

you learn that an effective cycle has test as the base and that oral only cycles are usually short lived as far as results go and have alot more sides to deal with.

I'm not saying i know everything or claim to be some guru but every book ive read on anabolics and every board ive been to all the vets will say a cycle isnt a cycle without test

[Hellmaskbanned]

Its not written anywhere and i didnt say it was a written rule.Its just when you get in the game and start researching you learn how to stack and so on

you learn that an effective cycle has test as the base and that oral only cycles are usually short lived as far as results go and have alot more sides to deal with.

I'm not saying i know everything or claim to be some guru but every book ive read on anabolics and every board ive been to all the vets will say a cycle isnt a cycle without test

Thats retarded.


Everybody is not a bber.


Oral cycles work.


Test is a good AAS.


Test gives sides.

[crash187ct]

I was about to mention that, hellmask. I know of a specific reason personally, is acne. In the future my selection of compounds will be based on how prone it is to causing acne

[LatinoPR]

I was about to mention that, hellmask. I know of a specific reason personally, is acne. In the future my selection of compounds will be based on how prone it is to causing acne

PM me ...for acne







LPR ...dermatoloy,

[HammerStrength]

Test is a must for me, actually i take test alone most of the time, works great.

[one8nine]

see before on ar the thing was NO TEST NO CYCLE and if you didnt agree you were flammed so everyone new was convinced you needed test and jumped on the train so everyone just repeated it

then helmask and a few others, i think bajan, and some other scouts started popping up in threads and arguing that you dont NEED test and they opened a lot of peoples eyes and now people dont talk about how you NEED test cause then theyll get shot down the the scouts and a few others

i just re-read that and it sounds a little like i was talking down or talking crap but i really wasnt it just came out like that

but i say test helps, for some people they do need to run it higher and alwasy run it because thye get better results but not evey person needs it to be the base every time, everybody's different

i think the idea of a very respectable member on this board of testosterone replacement (25mg prop ed) is a great idea if you dont want test side effects or whatever but still dont wanna go without it

[cantspeak]

well you do know it all

[cantspeak]

anyway this thread really started as asking a question about why so many oral only or no test cycles not a thread on who is right wrong or retarded

[Anabolios]

Ok it looks like you CANTSPEAK on the no test cycle subject. Oral cycles have more sides? Does a var/tbol/proviron cycle have more sides than a test/deca cycle? Hmmm I seriously doubt it. It is dependent on a persons goals.

[humungus88]

Anabolios Ok it looks like you CANTSPEAK on the no test cycle subject. Oral cycles have more sides? Does a var/tbol/proviron cycle have more sides than a test/deca cycle? Hmmm I seriously doubt it. It is dependent on a persons goals.

Is that cosidered de-parrotized?^^^^

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=256977
Please refrain from repeating "knowledge" that doesn't apply to every given scenario. You WILL be de-parrotized.

[Anabolios]

Is that cosidered de-parrotized?^^^^

haha you're the man!

[cantspeak]

on the more sides issue i really was talking about tren only, sorry for the confusion

[Anabolios]

No problem dude. Don't bash what you haven't tried. Someday you may want an extra few pounds with a swift and easy recovery and you'll try a tbol/var/andriol cycle or somethin like that.

[cantspeak]

well id really like to knowhow a cycle like that would work.I really do believe you cant have a cycle without test.But if its possible id like to know how?

[Hellmaskbanned]

well id really like to knowhow a cycle like that would work.I really do believe you cant have a cycle without test.But if its possible id like to know how?

You take something rather than test.....then you see its benefits.

I'm not so sure of what exactly your asking?

[Bigmax]

You take something rather than test.....then you see its benefits.

I'm not so sure of what exactly your asking?

I dont think its a question or is it??...sounds like a rant about guys not using test in their cycles....Also I dont know what vets on the other boards said that but hey thats their opinion...Alot of guys here use different compounds other than test...You said"i cant believe you can do a good cycle without test"...bro I cant tell you how WRONG you are...Ive seen many BBers and other atheletes do very productive cycles without test including me.So in other words to each his own...alot of guys preach 'dont do a cycle without test"...and I laugh at them cause its horseshit!!! and very one track minded.

[Sexpert]

i would never do a test cycle again,, too much sides. I like deca, and i did a deca only cycle with few sides like mild back acne and never deca dick and great results

[cantspeak]

wellm i guess i am wrong the gods of AR have spoken

[cantspeak]

I swear , if Bigmax or say skullsmasher had posted the exact smae thing i did there wouldnt have been a soul that had said anything against them,everyone here would have agreed

[Hellmaskbanned]

I swear , if Bigmax or say skullsmasher had posted the exact smae thing i did there wouldnt have been a soul that had said anything against them,everyone here would have agreed

I would have disaggreed......& whats so hard to understand?

Test doesn't have to be in every cycle.

Why are your overreacting and taking this as a personal attack to you.

[Bigmax]

I swear , if Bigmax or say skullsmasher had posted the exact smae thing i did there wouldnt have been a soul that had said anything against them,everyone here would have agreed

Well my bro...you are WRONG!!!!!First and foremost I dont know about skullsmasher but personally I would never had posted anything so one track minded and ignorant....If I had then I would hope someone on here would have the balls to step up if they thought i was wrong.As for your posting days being over...I guess you when you cant stand the heat bro...you leave but the fact of the matter remains...YOU CAN DO A CYCLE WITHOUT TEST!!!!!!!

[cantspeak]

cya around guys my board posting days are over

[humungus88]

cya around guys my board posting days are over

[italianplayboy09]

cya around guys my board posting days are over

what just happened? why did you get so offended? i believe you were just always preached that you NEED to run test with a cycle, which IMO is better for getting the best gains, and you thought that was the only way. dont take it personal man, you dont need to say "my board posting days are over," stick around and learn more

[Exevious]

what just happened? why did you get so offended? i believe you were just always preached that you NEED to run test with a cycle, which IMO is better for getting the best gains, and you thought that was the only way. dont take it personal man, you dont need to say "my board posting days are over," stick around and learn more

perhaps another side?? emotional side??

[RA]

cya around guys my board posting days are over

Why? Because people disagree with you? If that were the case with me I would have gone a long time ago..

God knows Ive never had a disagreement with max or skullsmasher..

Thats what I like about the board..you bring your experiences to the table and sometimes you run into debate. Doesnt mean you pack up your toys and go home..

[biglegs2006]

I think everone needs to remember that everyone doesn't have the same goals

[italianplayboy09]

I think everone needs to remember that everyone doesn't have the same goals

ok

[V_Vandetta]

once again it comes down to what works for you just becasue a guy says you need test in every cycle does not mean YOU YOURSELF has to listen ..... i my self have run cycle with out test and it was not because of money of what someone told me it was somthing I wanted to try ........and see what results i got thus is the hole trail by error .......... there are bros here that have been cycleing 10+ years and there ideas and advice is good to listen to becasue one they been down the did it work or not road .....


becasue when newbies are just learning there are things that are a must ....... but after a few cycles YOU NEED TO LEARN WHAT WORKS FOR YOU ........... listen to peoples advice and what your past knowledge is and your research .... just becasue someone says this, and some say that ... dont mean IT WILL WORK FOR YOU.. only trying it for you will tell .... becasue like said NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO STEP ON STAGE NOT EVERYONE IS HARD CORE they just want to improve on how they look So just take things for face value ......... and learn

[Hackamaniac]

Roid you've been wrong before

[RA]

Roid you've been wrong before

Your right, I have but what are you talking about?

[Hackamaniac]

Your right, I have but what are you talking about?

I was actually asking a question but forgot the ??

[RA]

I was actually asking a question but forgot the ??

I kind of thought that after I posted..

I retract what I said earlier..Ive never been wrong.

[RA]

btw, I love test

[Hellmaskbanned]

Screw you guys I'm going home