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    Anthony Roberts

    Hi Anthony, you seem like you know a hell of a lot about steroids. Can you help me?

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    lmao... its gonna cost you bro $$$$$$$$$$



    j/k

    why dont you be specific and post your question here.. maybe he'll reply.. and are you implying nobody else knows there shit? lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305GUY
    lmao... its gonna cost you bro $$$$$$$$$$



    j/k

    why dont you be specific and post your question here.. maybe he'll reply.. and are you implying nobody else knows there shit? lmao
    I agree you should probaly ask a steroid related question since this is the steroid Q&A forum..........

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    Well if you seen my other post, no one really has had the answer yet. This isn't your average steroid question bro. I'm on a whole 'nother level. Not too sound cocky heh, okay I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior21
    Well if you seen my other post, no one really has had the answer yet. This isn't your average steroid question bro. I'm on a whole 'nother level. Not too sound cocky heh, okay I did.
    care to share what "level" you think your own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305GUY
    care to share what "level" you think your own?
    Well when the discussion gets going you'll see me tear it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior21
    Well when the discussion gets going you'll see me tear it up
    well good luck getting that discussion going anytime soon. hooker makes it clear that hes a busy guy and most everything he does requires him benefiting in one way or the other.

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    Though he does know a lot, he's not the only one who can help

    ask away......


    oh wait, its you lol, I didnt look at the name.

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    Skull it's basically the same thing bro. Why aren't steroids workng for me? I think the only reason I saw a bit more of an effect of the var was because I increased from 90 to 150mg, then 200mg. I'm metabolizing it way too quickly. And even though I'm not getting the side effects from it being in my blood, my liver was in pain all day for the last couple days. I cannot keep taking 200mg of Var to possibly get 20 mg into the blood for 3-4 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior21
    Skull it's basically the same thing bro. Why aren't steroids workng for me? I think the only reason I saw a bit more of an effect of the var was because I increased from 90 to 150mg, then 200mg. I'm metabolizing it way too quickly. And even though I'm not getting the side effects from it being in my blood, my liver was in pain all day for the last couple days. I cannot keep taking 200mg of Var to possibly get 20 mg into the blood for 3-4 hours.
    what have your previous cycles looked like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305GUY
    what have your previous cycles looked like?
    One sec I'll take from my original post and copy here. Hold that thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305GUY
    what have your previous cycles looked like?
    One sec I'll take from my original post and copy here. Hold that thought.

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    All real stuff, except for some shit from IP back in the day.
    First run: Test E/Dbol 8 weeks. Nothing, a whole bunch of headaches.
    Second try: RF2 (Rocket Fuel 2). It's Test/Deca 200/mg per ml each. I did 2ml's of that a week for 8 weeks and nothing again. Actually I gained 8 lbs in the first week but I'm thinking that was placebo/increased cals.
    Third try: Fina, made by me with an Animal kit. 5 weeks, again about 6 lbs in first week after that nothing.
    Current try: Var only, I'm at 90mg daily. Been on for about 4 weeks. All I notice is a very, very slight pump. And a few of my lifts are up. But then again I just switched to a different routine so it's probably the routine/ more focus on nutrition as well.

    My experience with AS has been shit. I've never had any gains where I could say "Wow I feel the steroids."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullsmasher
    Though he does know a lot, he's not the only one who can help

    ask away......


    oh wait, its you lol, I didnt look at the name.
    Yea hehe. Hi. I want to get this resolved! If there's a will theres a way. I'm sure you want to know the deal too. I bet you metabolize AAS too quick too, maybe just not as quick as I.

    You know I was talking to someone from a rejuv. clinic today and he told me his friend didn't gain anything off of 350mg anadrol daily? There's defintaely something wrong there, as in my case.

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    well maybe hooker will chime in and give his thoughts.

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    And yes the var I'm on now is real too. My brother is responding so well to 60mg a day he's going to have to cut it down.

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    So your wondering why your not gaining from AAS.

    First off...Are you doing a var only cycle?
    If answered "yes" , lol

    That's probly why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellmask
    So your wondering why your not gaining from AAS.

    First off...Are you doing a var only cycle?
    If answered "yes" , lol

    That's probly why.
    ha i dont gain off cycle either its a genetic thing that can be tracked back to several different genes and even a possible gene mutation as well as the DMMS
    im doing a my senior research over it .. but i only get like 1,000 bux to buy the shit i need to start testing which is like 500 short

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    ha i dont gain off cycle either its a genetic thing that can be tracked back to several different genes and even a possible gene mutation as well as the DMMS
    im doing a my senior research over it .. but i only get like 1,000 bux to buy the shit i need to start testing which is like 500 short
    Yes the famous Drug Microsomal Metabolism System, but dude theirs got to be some way around all of that bullshit. have you tried talking to the gurus about it? You ever try a rejuv clinic? Tommorow some guy who's a pharmacologist is supposed to call me, as well as the wonderful people at Oasis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior21
    Yes the famous Drug Microsomal Metabolism System, but dude theirs got to be some way around all of that bullshit. have you tried talking to the gurus about it? You ever try a rejuv clinic? Tommorow some guy who's a pharmacologist is supposed to call me, as well as the wonderful people at Oasis.
    dood lol, there is far more to it than the DMMS

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    dood lol, there is far more to it than the DMMS
    I think u are probably right....

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    dood lol, there is far more to it than the DMMS
    Want to point me in the right direction of what to research then? I've studied the DMMS and Cytochrome P450's pretty extensively, whats the next step?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellmask
    So your wondering why your not gaining from AAS.

    First off...Are you doing a var only cycle?
    If answered "yes" , lol

    That's probly why.
    Lovely, have you seen my previous cycles? Are they not strong enough? Nothing from Fina either buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior21
    Lovely, have you seen my previous cycles? Are they not strong enough? Nothing from Fina either buddy.


    Easy cheesy lemon squeezy.

    Yep you won't grow off of the real deal you might as well try the weak ones.

    My take is ,

    A.Your to "caught up" on the growing aspects of AAS instead of creating a diet/workout plan that actually works, and you never are consistant with training..thats why your having poor gains.

    OR

    B. Your genetics are inferior in this aspect and are incapable of growing do from that.


    Or C.Your diet/training is shit,+ your genetics suck.



    This has been Hellmasks conclusion from this very little bit of info he has presented....Have a nice day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellmask
    Easy cheesy lemon squeezy. LMAO

    Yep you won't grow off of the real deal you might as well try the weak ones.

    My take is ,

    A.Your to "caught up" on the growing aspects of AAS instead of creating a diet/workout plan that actually works, and you never are consistant with training..thats why your having poor gains.

    OR

    B. Your genetics are inferior in this aspect and are incapable of growing do from that.


    Or C.Your diet/training is shit,+ your genetics suck.



    This has been Hellmasks conclusion from this very little bit of info he has presented....Have a nice day

    i still say That his AAS use at a young age plays a big part in this .. that he may have damaged his receptors or somthing with in his body .... But the guys swears his diet and training is in check .... And like I said with out The proper testing To rule every thing out .... It all just guess work

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    Quote Originally Posted by V_Vandetta
    i still say That his AAS use at a young age plays a big part in this .. that he may have damaged his receptors or somthing with in his body .... But the guys swears his diet and training is in check .... And like I said with out The proper testing To rule every thing out .... It all just guess work
    If you have any testing you can suggest me I'm all for it.

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    Care to post your stats.....Max lifts/age/any health problems/any medication you take/how old were you when you first cycled/how many cycles/how long you have been training/bf% before aas & after.

    Theres so much to know before we decide your naturally maxed out now aas won't have any effect on your system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellmask
    Care to post your stats.....Max lifts/age/any health problems/any medication you take/how old were you when you first cycled/how many cycles/how long you have been training/bf% before aas & after.

    Theres so much to know before we decide your naturally maxed out now aas won't have any effect on your system.
    Ok I won't delve too deep into this, I'm not so sure how much you (just you) want to help me anyways. No health problems/no medication/16/4/5.5 years/no results from aas, therefore no change in bf

    I started exercising at ~23-4% bf, now it's 14%

    BTW I'm 5'10 215 lbs@14% bf. Not huge by any means, but bigger than most people I see in the general public. I'm definately not maxed out though. I've been all the way up to like 235@13% bf. No gear either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior21
    Ok I won't delve too deep into this, I'm not so sure how much you (just you) want to help me anyways. No health problems/no medication/16/4/5.5 years/no results from aas, therefore no change in bf

    I started exercising at ~23-4% bf, now it's 14%

    BTW I'm 5'10 215 lbs@14% bf. Not huge by any means, but bigger than most people I see in the general public. I'm definately not maxed out though. I've been all the way up to like 235@13% bf. No gear either.
    I would love to see what your real diet looks like when you are cycling

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    I have had better responses when emailing him.

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    Thanks dude, already took care of that. You know Patrick Arnolds email? Big Cat wont even respond to me.

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    Thanks dude, already took care of that. You know Patrick Arnolds email? Big Cat wont even respond to me.




    I replied when you e-mailed me....

    I actually lost it awhile ago...only corresponded with him once or twice...

    Sometimes it takes Peter awhile to respond to e-mails. Sometimes he replies the same day, sometimes a week later....

    Here was my reply to your e-mail in case you didn't get my reply for some reason (although it says it was sent):

    If your
    diet and training is good, then you add steroids, there's no great
    reason that you shouldn't be gaining.

    More likely, you're either not eating properly, and training like a
    pussy.

    Here's a story for you:

    I think I train pretty hard. I can easily do goodmornings with
    about 225 (no belt). That's more than I've ever seen anyone do in
    person...Ok...so I went to Southside Gym in CT to train with an
    elite 165lb powerlifter (we were both weighing in the low 190's).
    He was doing concentric goodmornings in a rack. I jumped in. He
    worked up to 425 or so. I worked up to 315. Now I can do about 350.
    See my point? I thought I was training hard, but when I was pushed,
    I was able to add 90lbs to my previous heaviest weight...I didn't
    want to be totally shown up.

    I thought I was doing enough cardio and dieting hard enough to see
    abs...then I worked with a figure competitor who was doing 2 hours
    of cardio per day and eating 900 clean calories. See what I'm
    getting at? You're ruling out training and diet, while I'm almost
    100% sure that it's your training and diet.

    As a final resort, look at your dosages and drug choice. I saw that
    you're running anavar...which isn't very strong, to be honest. Have
    you ever tried running a gram a week of Test? You need to do some
    high doses before you can say that AAS aren't working or that
    you're a non-responder....
    Last edited by Property of Steroid.com; 09-29-2006 at 08:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
    As a final resort, look at your dosages and drug choice. I saw that
    you're running anavar...which isn't very strong, to be honest. Have
    you ever tried running a gram a week of Test? You need to do some
    high doses before you can say that AAS aren't working or that
    you're a non-responder....
    i agree the guy goes from a cycle of 400mg test/deca for 8 weeks to his next cycle of tren for 6 weeks which yeilded some results with both cycles then he jumps to taking 200mg of var WTF! tats just retarded.

    try running a 12 week 750mg-1000mg of test with a couple of other compunds, make sure your diet and training is spot on by keeping a log on the board and see how shit goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305GUY
    i agree the guy goes from a cycle of 400mg test/deca for 8 weeks to his next cycle of tren for 6 weeks which yeilded some results with both cycles then he jumps to taking 200mg of var WTF! tats just retarded.

    try running a 12 week 750mg-1000mg of test with a couple of other compunds, make sure your diet and training is spot on by keeping a log on the board and see how shit goes.
    The results I had were purely from stuffing myself with food everyday. There was never that feeling of "Wow I'm making awesome gains!". If you have cycled and had it worked for you I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

    200mg Anavar daily is about 3x as much as most people take. Shouldn't I at least see a bit of strength increases? Anavar is not known for massive bulk but it is known for strength/pumps/vascularity. I have seen only a slight pump, like if I was taking 10-15mg of it.

    I'm not going to get on another cycle until I talk to some doctors and pharmacologists, this is getting way too expensive. And just so you know I'm not the only one who has this problem. Taiboxa uses about 14g of gear weekly just to get some results. I'm not about to do that as it's just too expensive and I'd shit my liver and kidneys.

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    No clue, sorry.

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    NP. It's 1:20 over here, been up since 5:30am today. part of me says I need sleep, the other part says figure out what the hell is going on with my non-response to AAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior21
    Taiboxa uses about 14g of gear weekly just to get some results..
    as much as i DONT believe that! atleast he can say he "fried" his receptors while you were never resposive EVER?! which makes even less sense.. also tai claims to weigh around 300 pounds so he either has around 50%bf or gear has worked for him!

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    Dude if your not gaining from the gear, check your diet. Hell food is the miost anabolic thing there is...As for Var it doesn't do shhhiiittt for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surrender
    Dude if your not gaining from the gear, check your diet. Hell food is the miost anabolic thing there is...As for Var it doesn't do shhhiiittt for me.
    Well what would you say about Test,Deca,Fina,Dbol? Nothing either? And even if my diet weren't so stellar....wouldn't I see strength from Anavar?

    Wouldn't I have seen water retention from test? Wouldn't have I seen acne? Wouldn't have I seen higher blood pressure?

    Wouldn't Fina have given me some vascularity and hardness despite a shitty diet (not saying that it was, but if it were), wouldn't Fina had put lbs on my lifts? Wouldn't my forhead been alot oiler?

    Dbol 50mg ED, can anyone say back pumps?

    Don't you find it weird that I was getting any sides from all this either? It just wasn't getting into my blood.
    Last edited by Warrior21; 09-29-2006 at 10:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior21
    Well what would you say about Test,Deca,Fina,Dbol? Nothing either? And even if my diet weren't so stellar....wouldn't I see strength from Anavar?

    Wouldn't I have seen water retention from test? Wouldn't have I seen acne? Wouldn't have I seen higher blood pressure?


    You said you got headaches....usually thats a sign of higher blood pressure while on cycle.

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