cycle advice ...

[Jae200]

hey all i was wondering if i could get some feed back for my next cycle im thinking of doing i was going to run Tren A and test cyp and winstroll and my stats are 6'4" 235 lbs 11%bf (give or take) this will be my third cycle info is in prof ... i have my gear for PCT as well. I am just as confused as help maybe im reasding too much on feed back from friends at gym and threads i know its a matter of preference as far as goals and shizat.I want to do a lean gain and rip obciously from my choice of winn and tren with test cyp but i have been confused a s far as dosage and what would be average and if running tren as base longer that 6 weeks is ok or not ?? I was thinking originally running Tren A at 75mg ED and Winn 75mg ED and Test Cyp 100mg EOD as well as running some HCG and Clomid for PCT any other suggestions for PCT as well... thanks bros

[jagdpanther]

Test, tren, and winny are a good combo for improving the rate you can develop some lean-dense muscle.

Please write up a more specific plan in the format below and I'm sure some more bros will comment.

weeks a-z test cyp 500mg a week
weeks a-f winny 100mg EOD
weeks a-f tren a 100mg EOD

[topnotch]

why run the cyp eod? if your going to inject this often, i think you would be better off going with prop imo

[Mrbaseball]

you could shoot cyp 2x a week for sure. As far as the tren goes, and I have never used it, but most guys I have talked to say they cant handle it more than 6 weeks, sides and all.

[Jae200]

i was going to run my ccyle this way

1. 1-6 Tren Ace 500 mg week ED
2. 1-6 Test Cyp 400 mg week EOD
3. 1-6 Win 500 mg week ED

so thats what i was thinking of soing and some friends of mine are running , what do you guys think about the dosage and do you think i should start my PCT a little early or is it ok with a short cycle like this to wait till the end and any other advice is appreciated thanks for the help bros

[Jae200]

bump

[testisbest]

I don't like the idea of the long ester only being 6 weeks. That's how long it could take to notice anything from the test. Unless you frontload the hell out of the test. Have you considered Prop? other than that it looks like a great cycle although I'd run the tren a at 50mg ED. 350mg of tren is more than enough for a first run at it.

[jagdpanther]

I think what you suggest would work but there are some things I'd do a little differently. I agree with testisbest and run the cyp longer. In addition although people do run short ester in the begining frequently(I'mnot talking about front loading here) I like to also run the shorter ester towards the end of my cycle as it keeps the hormone levels up while your letting the long ester clear. Another fine point that is debatable is the tren and how close you run it to pct. Nandrolone and its derivatives shut one one down particularly hard. Test and winny and will shut you down as well, and once your shut down your shut down, but I think one recovers faster from them then from tren.

Personally I would run that combo more like:

weeks 1-8 test cyp
weeks 2-8 tren a
weeks 4-10 winny
weeks 8-10 test prop 100-150mg ED

This way you still get some some tren and winny overlap but stop the cyp and tren long before pct. The winny and test prop will help keep your hormone levels up a little bit while the cyp clears. I left your doses alone. you have stuff for PCT - good! what about Anti-Es, that is a fair amount of test you are using, that combined with the tren I'd be worried about gyno.

[Booz]

not treading on anyones toes here your all doin a great job as it is but the winny should be ran ed not eod..............

[jagdpanther]

If i had free reign a couple of other things I would do are:
1)Front load with test prop for the first two weeks during the days you are not shooting your cyp. (here I am talking about front loading)
2) Use T3 during the cycle as Tren lowers T3, besides it looks like a cutter and T3 can only help.

On the winny ED I agree.

[Jae200]

so what if i run test prop instead of cycp since it is a shorter ester like tren and winny so i dont have to front load and yeah i agree on the T3 have been considering it i can get either or right away as far as the test goes other than that i have all my gear and look forward to posting my stats after appreciate all your feed back and help bros !!!

[Jae200]

thanks for your imput Test and you to jagd appreciate it going to pick up t3 and maybe lower Tren ace dosage like you suggested and front load sounds good too thanks for all your help guys ill post what i finally go with this weekend and will posts stats as well hell maybe some pictures this time later !!

[jagdpanther]

so what if i run test prop instead of cycp since it is a shorter ester like tren and winny so i dont have to front load

If you choose to run prop instead of cyp all the way through you will not only be injecting frequently becuase of the short esters but a lot volume wise during the middle of the cycle when you will be running the test, winny and tren. During that time you would be getting more test per ml from the cyp and shoot it less frequenlty then the prop. For those reasons I would stick to the cyp, using the prop to front load and cover my retreat.

[mkrulic]

if it were me Id do either the prop w/ cyp at 50:50 ratio or cyp by itself. I like long estered tests in short runs. my favorite combo so far is test deconate/enanthate at 50:50 or deconate/prop at 50:50. you get the best of both worlds like this, kicks in quick and hangs in after your done.