19 y/o with many questions...

[Zvonimir]

I’m a 19 year old male, 6’0, 185. Approx. 18% bf.

Currently in the process of cutting, shooting for sub 9% in the next 12 weeks. Performing cardio 6 days a week with a proper diet (yes, it is proper).

I’ve been doing a lot of research on AAS and I can see that it probably isn’t a good idea for me as I don’t know if my growth plates have closed and I don’t want any HPTA problems down the road.


But to the questions…

- What is the difference between a 25 y/o’s HPTA system and an 18 y/o’s?

- If I had an x-ray done to confirm my growth plates have sealed, what would I be risking if I did a cycle of test enanthate with the proper PCT.

- How much LBM mass could be gained in 12 weeks, with a proper diet and training, all natural? Someone with very little lifting experience. Also, how about with the test?

In the end I suppose after this cut, I’ll be around 165 or so, and I’d like to be sitting around 210 with a low bf….. is AAS right for me...?

[testisbest]

6' at 165 is skinny as hell. You should try to get closer to 200 at 10 or 11% before you start gear. I'll make it alot easier to get to your goal and maintain that weight after PCT. IMHO

[Zvonimir]

6' at 165 is skinny as hell. You should try to get closer to 200 at 10 or 11% before you start gear. I'll make it alot easier to get to your goal and maintain that weight after PCT. IMHO

Yea thanks for pointing that out... :-/

If I was 200 at 10% bf, I wouldn't need any gear.. because thats my end goal anyways..?

[testisbest]

Yea thanks for pointing that out... :-/

If I was 200 at 10% bf, I wouldn't need any gear.. because thats my end goal anyways..?

then you answered all of your questions yourself. You could easily reach 200 in 1 year if you try.

[Zvonimir]

MartyMcFly, I have approx 145lbs LBM. 1800 is the target calorie intake for a cuttting diet for me. Unless you have some other ideas, please explain?


testisbest, So you are saying I could gain 45lbs LBM in one year all natural?

[testisbest]

MartyMcFly, I have approx 145lbs LBM. 1800 is the target calorie intake for a cuttting diet for me. Unless you have some other ideas, please explain?


testisbest, So you are saying I could gain 45lbs LBM in one year all natural?

So what you're telling me is that your mom and dad gave you such shitty genetics that you can't get any bigger than 165 natty? You should be more confident in yourself. Girls might max out at 165 not men. Which are you?

[GHO5T]

then you answered all of your questions yourself. You could easily reach 200 in 1 year if you try.

Please enlighten us on how one can easily gain 45lbs in 1 year, naturally?

[testisbest]

Please enlighten us on how one can easily gain 45lbs in 1 year, naturally?

He's 6' and 185 right now at 18% according to him. Eat a clean 3,800 cals with a little cardio once or twice a week and he'll be 200 EASILY. I'm not giving cycle advice to a 19 year old.

[Johny-too-small]

Please post your diet including macros. Well think about aas a few years down the road.

[Zvonimir]

Heres my current cutting diet... Although no one has actually answered the questions I asked....



Calories Fat Carb Protein
Meal 1 : 8AM
1 cup egg whites 122 0 3 26
1 scoop whey 104 0 6 20
1/2 cup oats 147 1 32 5

M1 Totals: 373 1 41 51


Meal 2 : 10AM
6 oz sirloin 231 9 0 36
¾ cup sweet potato 133 0 31 2
1 cup green beans 34 0 8 2

M2 Totals: 398 9 39 40


Meal 3: 1PM
2 smart dogs 90 0 4 32
1 cup suarkraut 34 0 8 2

M3 Totals: 124 0 12 34

Lift M/W/F: 2PM, PWO shake at approx 3PM 2 scoop whey, 1/2 cup oats

Meal 4: 4PM
5 oz Ground turkey 158 1 0 37
½ can chili beans 165 1 30 9
¼ can tomato sauce 15 0 4 0

M4 Totals: 338 2 34 46


Meal 5 : 7PM
7 oz Turkey burger 210 2 0 49
1 cup green beans 34 0 8 2

M5 Totals: 244 2 8 51


Meal 6: 10PM
8 oz Salmon 327 13 0 48
1 cup green beans 34 0 8 2

M6 Totals: 361 13 8 50


Daily Totals: 1838 27 142 272

[MartyMcFly]

Heres my current cutting diet... Although no one has actually answered the questions I asked....



Calories Fat Carb Protein
Meal 1 : 8AM
1 cup egg whites 122 0 3 26
1 scoop whey 104 0 6 20
1/2 cup oats 147 1 32 5

M1 Totals: 373 1 41 51


Meal 2 : 10AM
6 oz sirloin 231 9 0 36
¾ cup sweet potato 133 0 31 2
1 cup green beans 34 0 8 2

M2 Totals: 398 9 39 40


Meal 3: 1PM
2 smart dogs 90 0 4 32
1 cup suarkraut 34 0 8 2

M3 Totals: 124 0 12 34

Lift M/W/F: 2PM, PWO shake at approx 3PM 2 scoop whey, 1/2 cup oats

Meal 4: 4PM
5 oz Ground turkey 158 1 0 37
½ can chili beans 165 1 30 9
¼ can tomato sauce 15 0 4 0

M4 Totals: 338 2 34 46


Meal 5 : 7PM
7 oz Turkey burger 210 2 0 49
1 cup green beans 34 0 8 2

M5 Totals: 244 2 8 51


Meal 6: 10PM
8 oz Salmon 327 13 0 48
1 cup green beans 34 0 8 2

M6 Totals: 361 13 8 50


Daily Totals: 1838 27 142 272

There is your problem. I cut on 700+ more cals than you. Eat more

[reaktorblue]

I agree with testisbest. I'm not expert on AAS but what I can say is at 19 years old, your body is at its peak for gaining or losing weight due to how flexible your metabolism is. Especially lean mass since typically at that age its easier to be active in sports, etc.

I'd probably suggest eating right and staying as natty as possible until at least about 23 but thats my inexperienced opinion.

[MartyMcFly]

Iwouldn't worry about cutting that much when you cut to 9% you will lose a lot of muscle. I would up the cals and start putting on muscle. If you have 145lbs of lbm you are far, far off from ever using gear.

[testisbest]

no prob.

[perfectbeast2001]

But to the questions…

- What is the difference between a 25 y/o’s HPTA system and an 18 y/o’s? None but it would be a shame to end up on HRT at 19

- If I had an x-ray done to confirm my growth plates have sealed, what would I be risking if I did a Testosterone-Enanthate enanthate with the proper diet and training, all natural? Someone with very little lifting experience. Also, how about with the test? You would be risking the various health risks associated with AS use. If you have very little lifting experience you will also be at greater injury risk due to increase in strength without tendons and connective tissues being able to suuport it.

In the end I suppose after this cut, I’ll be around 165 or so, and I’d like to be sitting around 210 with a low bf….. is AAS right for me...? No build a solid base first

Im really glad you posted a reasonable looking diet. IMO it is way too low in cals though (you will be wasting muscle) and where are the EFAs?

[testisbest]

^ pm me if you'd like to continue this conversation. I'm only suggesting him up his cals. for at least a year because he is 19. He should be able to reach 215 by the time he's 22 or 23. I know he won't gain 45 pounds of lean body mass in a year, but he has years before he's ready to juice. If you think it's ok for him to cut down to 165 in the next 12 weeks and start a cycle, that's on you.

[GHO5T]

Thats excatly it bro, it will take him time to add 45lbm, it cant be done easily in one year as you stated earlier. Thats what i was trying to get across.

And yes i agree that he has years ahead of him before venturing into AAS use.