Ronald Reagan on Socialized Medicine(video)

[Logan13]

Ronald Reagan on Socialized Medicine(video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLp...eature=related

[Pooks]

he is so on point. Smart man.

[SMCengineer]

Anyone voting democrat should watch this.

[Carlos_E]

Who cares about Ronald Reagan? He's dead any way.

[Bigen12]

Who cares about Ronald Reagan? He's dead any way.

You might want to listen to it, before you shoot it down.


So we shouldn't listen to the words of MLK, since he's dead?

[Carlos_E]

You might want to listen to it, before you shoot it down.


So we shouldn't listen to the words of MLK, since he's dead?

I did listen to it. Everyone sucks Reagan's dick like he's the second coming of Christ. I have to say Martin Luther King, Jr. did more for this country than Ronald Reagan. Comparing the two is far fetched.

[Logan13]

I did listen to it. Everyone sucks Reagan's dick like he's the second coming of Christ. I have to say Martin Luther King, Jr. did more for this country than Ronald Reagan. Comparing the two is far fetched.

If someone else had posted this, but interchanged the names, I am sure "someone" would have clicked on the "report" icon.

[Bigen12]

If someone else had posted this, but interchanged the names, I am sure "someone" would have clicked on the "report" icon.

In the words of the immortal Ronnie Van Zant,

"You Got That Right,
You Sure Got That Right!"

[Bigen12]

I did listen to it. Everyone sucks Reagan's dick like he's the second coming of Christ. I have to say Martin Luther King, Jr. did more for this country than Ronald Reagan. Comparing the two is far fetched.

That's a matter of opinion.

[Logan13]

You might want to listen to it, before you shoot it down.


So we shouldn't listen to the words of MLK, since he's dead?

Be careful, you don't want to offend anyone...........

[Bigen12]

Be careful, you don't want to offend anyone...........

I didn't intend to offend anyone, if you're willing to discount the words of a great man, simply because he's dead, why not discount every dead man's words?

[SMCengineer]

^^^this thread is about the message not the messenger.

[Fat Guy]

I listened to this and I still wonder what is wrong with universal healthcare? I believe that people who are sick should receive care no matter what their economic status is. It’s the same as people in trouble receiving help from police or the fire department. I don’t know, it just seems to be the humanitarian thing to do. I am curious as to why many people are so against not helping other people in need.

[Pooks]

I listened to this and I still wonder what is wrong with universal healthcare? I believe that people who are sick should receive care no matter what their economic status is. It’s the same as people in trouble receiving help from police or the fire department. I don’t know, it just seems to be the humanitarian thing to do. I am curious as to why many people are so against not helping other people in need.

Ahem,, if u like to read books, read this please.... its not a long book and a great read..

http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One-...3360740&sr=8-1

They got USED on there for $4..

thats how I got my copy .. $4 BARGAIN!

indirectly it shows, why things like Universal Health care will slowly bleed the country towards overall poverty, weakness and you could extend that towards eventual loss of freedom too.

anyways Reagan called Universal healthcare ... Socialized Medicine.. you could also call it Nationalized Healhcare.. and that is something Hitler and Stalin incorporated also. Its a step towards losing more of our freedoms to the government.

[Fat Guy]

indirectly it shows, why things like Universal Health care will slowly bleed the country towards overall poverty, weakness and you could extend that towards eventual loss of freedom too.
anyways Reagan called Universal healthcare ... Socialized Medicine.. you could also call it Nationalized Healhcare.. and that is something Hitler and Stalin incorporated also. Its a step towards losing more of our freedoms to the government.

Doesn’t Canada, Germany, England, and many other countries have socialized healthcare and they are not poverty stricken totalitarian countries…. How would the U.S. become a poverty stricken totalitarian state? If anything I think the war in Iraq is going to bankrupt the U.S

[SMCengineer]

Doesn’t Canada, Germany, England, and many other countries have socialized healthcare and they are not poverty stricken totalitarian countries…. How would the U.S. become a poverty stricken totalitarian state? If anything I think the war in Iraq is going to bankrupt the U.S

We could go into great detail about this issue, but what it basically comes down to is that when the government sticks it's hand in to "help" the affect is usually the opposite of what is intended. Privatized health care is and always will be the better choice.

[im83931]

Doesn’t Canada, Germany, England, and many other countries have socialized healthcare and they are not poverty stricken totalitarian countries…. How would the U.S. become a poverty stricken totalitarian state? If anything I think the war in Iraq is going to bankrupt the U.S

Yes they are socialized medicine. I have done consulting for the ministry of health in Canada as well as working with England's healthcare system. We can start with Canada because its closest. If your poor old grandma needs a hip replaced it could take 2 years on the waitlist. She could die before she gets her surgery. Many RN's and MD's are not practicing in Canada as well. 10 They dont get paid as well in a socialized system (who wants to devote 12 years to becoming a DR and make the same amount of money as someone with a bussines degree. 2 They had to shut down several of the hospitals because the governement couldnt afford to keep them open.

[thegodfather]

Yes they are socialized medicine. I have done consulting for the ministry of health in Canada as well as working with England's healthcare system. We can start with Canada because its closest. If your poor old grandma needs a hip replaced it could take 2 years on the waitlist. She could die before she gets her surgery. Many RN's and MD's are not practicing in Canada as well. 10 They dont get paid as well in a socialized system (who wants to devote 12 years to becoming a DR and make the same amount of money as someone with a bussines degree. 2 They had to shut down several of the hospitals because the governement couldnt afford to keep them open.

Yea, I'll tell you what...I'm currently in college and going to Medical School within 2 years from now....I will certainly be looking towards other professions of the healthcare system becomes socialized. I could not justify devoting $200,000 in student loans, 10 years of my life, and grueling hours and pressure, to make anything less than $150,000-$300,000 a year. There is no way I will accept being payed like a school teacher, or other lowly payed government employee, for the huge investment and sacrafice it takes to become a physician.

This is just one of the ways in which the quality of healthcare suffers in a socialized system. It is less lucrative for doctors, and therefore attracts less talented people to the profession.

[Pooks]

Yes they are socialized medicine. I have done consulting for the ministry of health in Canada as well as working with England's healthcare system. We can start with Canada because its closest. If your poor old grandma needs a hip replaced it could take 2 years on the waitlist. She could die before she gets her surgery. Many RN's and MD's are not practicing in Canada as well. 10 They dont get paid as well in a socialized system (who wants to devote 12 years to becoming a DR and make the same amount of money as someone with a bussines degree. 2 They had to shut down several of the hospitals because the governement couldnt afford to keep them open.

This is the best post on here, first hand experience of universal health care.

BUMP.. cause it seems all u pro-universal health care conveniently skipped over it.

[scriptfactory]

Doesn’t Canada, Germany, England, and many other countries have socialized healthcare and they are not poverty stricken totalitarian countries…. How would the U.S. become a poverty stricken totalitarian state? If anything I think the war in Iraq is going to bankrupt the U.S

The healthcare system in Germany is pretty damned cool. I don't know about Canada or England, though.

[thegodfather]

I listened to this and I still wonder what is wrong with universal healthcare? I believe that people who are sick should receive care no matter what their economic status is. It’s the same as people in trouble receiving help from police or the fire department. I don’t know, it just seems to be the humanitarian thing to do. I am curious as to why many people are so against not helping other people in need.

Well...I have to remember im speaking to someone who is in a union and a big advocate of them. Unions are another bain of this country.

Anyway...SOCIALIZED healthcare takes the choice of medical treatment out of the hands of the individual and the doctor. The Doctor-Patient relationship, and puts your healthcare choices in the hands of Beauraucrats. This means you have less freedom of choice in your healthcare and treatment because the government is now calling the shots. The quality of healthcare becomes significantly reduced. Also, the countries that you listed are significantly LESS FREE in terms of overall freedom than we are here. For instance, Germany openly discusses banning certain religions, like Scientology. Those are things more akin to a totalitarian country than here, where such discussion would not even occur.

[Tock]

Unions are another bain of this country.

IMHO, unions are the only way that employees can defend themselves from unscrupulous managers. I'd hate to need to join one, but I'm glad they're available should worse come to worse.

[Fat Guy]

Well...I have to remember im speaking to someone who is in a union and a big advocate of them. Unions are another bain of this country.

I think your understanding of unions is like your understanding of spelling the word "bane"…. Wrong.

Live Better, Work Union!

[thegodfather]

I think your understanding of unions is like your understanding of spelling the word "bane"…. Wrong.

Live Better, Work Union!

Lol...correcting someones spelling errors on the internet is about as cool as being a drunk convicted fellon union worker...

[Fat Guy]

Lol...correcting someones spelling errors on the internet is about as cool as being a drunk convicted fellon union worker...

Lol… I wasn’t correcting your spelling I was just illustrating your misunderstandings.

[RA]

Excellent thread logan.

[Hoggage_54]

Here's a few facts you can look at.

"The U.S. spends much more on health care than Canada, both on a per-capita basis and as a percentage of GDP.[5]In 2005, per-capita spending for health care in the U.S. was US$6,401; in Canada, US$3,3326.[5] The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on health care in that year; Canada spent 9.8%.[5]"

"The U.S. government spends more per capita on health care than the government does in Canada. In 2004, the government of Canada spent $2,120 (in US dollars) per person on health care, while the United States government spent $2,724.[10]"

"However, U.S. government spending covers less than half of all health care costs. Private spending for health care is also far greater in the U.S. than in Canada. In Canada, an average of $917 was spent annually by individuals or private insurance companies for health care, including dental, eye care, and drugs. In the U.S., this number is $3,372.[10] In 2004, health care consumed 15.4% of U.S. annual GDP. In Canada, only 9.8% of GDP was spent on health care.[10]"

"One of the most important differences between the two countries is the much higher cost of drugs in the United States. In the U.S., $728 per capita is spent each year on drugs, while in Canada it is $509.[55] At the same time, consumption is higher in Canada, with about 12 prescriptions being filled per person each year in Canada and 10.6 in the United States.[57] The main difference is that patented drug prices in Canada average between 35% and 45% lower than in the United States.[58] The price differential for brand-name drugs between the two countries has led Americans to purchase upward of US$1 billion in drugs per year from Canadian pharmacies.[59]"

"In 2002, automotive companies claimed that the universal health care system in Canada saved labour costs.[108]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...stems_compared

[Pooks]

"In 2002, automotive companies claimed that the universal health care system in Canada saved labour costs.[108]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...stems_compared

of Course, cause they don't have to offer it to you anymore. You pay for it thru taxes.

The proper comparison would be taking a workers yearly Healthcare spending amount.. in the old system.. ... and comparing it to how much per capita additional taxes he pays now with the new system.

In corporate accounting.. the Healthcare tax expense got moved from the LABOR COST tooo TAX EXPENSE section..

so yah obviously labor costs are down hahahaha... but I bet Corporate Taxes are up!

[Hoggage_54]

of Course, cause they don't have to offer it to you anymore. You pay for it thru taxes.

The proper comparison would be taking a workers yearly Healthcare spending amount.. in the old system.. ... and comparing it to how much per capita additional taxes he pays now with the new system.

In corporate accounting.. the Healthcare tax expense got moved from the LABOR COST tooo TAX EXPENSE section..

so yah obviously labor costs are down hahahaha... but I bet Corporate Taxes are up!

Corporate taxes are 34% in Ontario, combined with Federal taxes. This is the same as in the southern US, where automakers are eying expansion. The corporate taxes in Canada, however, are dropping to 28% by 2011.