First dose of injectable Cycle

[Rando911]

I am fairly informed when it comes to AS. I would like to hear what other people have to say about my plan.

I am doing my last bit of research and have decided on my first injectable cycle ( I have toyed with many orals, and know many ppl who have been on the juice buss). What I am wondering is, would it be safer to take half a dose on my first injection. My theory is: If I have a bad reaction to the dose, it should be half as bad...? Secondly, I would like to slowly ramp up my test levels.

For example:

I have decided on Test E 200 and EQ 200. I will be doing 1cc of test and 1cc of EQ Weekly. I would like to start out with 1cc test for week one. Then add the EQ to week two.

I have even considered an exploratory 1/2 cc Test the first week, 1/2 cc EQ the second week. The third week add the two together for a total of 1cc Test/EQ. And Finaly the forth week on, 1cc T and 1cc EQ.

What Ya Think, and why? Thanks Guys!

I have heard of Test flu and other complications with the first injections. Wondering if there is any validity to my thinking?

[Gears]

I am fairly informed when it comes to AS. I would like to hear what other people have to say about my plan.

I am doing my last bit of research and have decided on my first injectable cycle ( I have toyed with many orals, and know many ppl who have been on the juice buss). What I am wondering is, would it be safer to take half a dose on my first injection. My theory is: If I have a bad reaction to the dose, it should be half as bad...? Secondly, I would like to slowly ramp up my test levels.

For example:

I have decided on Test E 200 and EQ 200. I will be doing 1cc of test and 1cc of EQ Weekly. I would like to start out with 1cc test for week one. Then add the EQ to week two.

I have even considered an exploratory 1/2 cc Test the first week, 1/2 cc EQ the second week. The third week add the two together for a total of 1cc Test/EQ. And Finaly the forth week on, 1cc T and 1cc EQ.

What Ya Think, and why? Thanks Guys!

I have heard of Test flu and other complications with the first injections. Wondering if there is any validity to my thinking?

Why would you do 1/2cc the first week? You`re not going to feel anything untill the Test builds up with E. You`re doing the opposite of frontloading, which is just a bad idea, and the test is going to take longer to kick in. Also, I would split the injections up to 2x a week 1/2 cc of each.

[one8nine]

no thats a terrile idea. test slowly ramps itself up on its own look at these graphs it takes 4-6 weeks to peak anyway

injection frequency
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355493

just pick a solid dose and stick it.

if youre that scared just use test p, it will be out your system 4 days tops

[one8nine]

I am fairly informed when it comes to AS. I would like to hear what other people have to say about my plan.

I am doing my last bit of research and have decided on my first injectable cycle ( I have toyed with many orals, and know many ppl who have been on the juice buss). What I am wondering is, would it be safer to take half a dose on my first injection. My theory is: If I have a bad reaction to the dose, it should be half as bad...? Secondly, I would like to slowly ramp up my test levels.

For example:

I have decided on Test E 200 and EQ 200. I will be doing 1cc of test and 1cc of EQ Weekly. I would like to start out with 1cc test for week one. Then add the EQ to week two.

I have even considered an exploratory 1/2 cc Test the first week, 1/2 cc EQ the second week. The third week add the two together for a total of 1cc Test/EQ. And Finaly the forth week on, 1cc T and 1cc EQ.

What Ya Think, and why? Thanks Guys!

I have heard of Test flu and other complications with the first injections. Wondering if there is any validity to my thinking?

wait your dose is 200mg of each a week?
dont even bother

lets do some math
actual test produced naturall is between 10mg-15mg daily
this breaks down to 70mg-105mg actual test naturally
100% testosterone enanthate = 70% testosterone + 30% enanthate
so 200mg of test e breaks down to 140mg actual testosterone
so this cycle wont do much more than you can do naturally

[BUYLONGTERM]

Horrible Idea. First off, you need to shoot the EQ starting day 1 along with your test. It take several weeks for both of them to kick in, especially the EQ. 2nd. 200mg of EQ won't do anything at those doses. It won't matter if you inject 100mg of Test on Day one or 500mg of Test on day one. You need to do a lot more research.

[inky-e]

Horrible Idea. First off, you need to shoot the EQ starting day 1 along with your test. It take several weeks for both of them to kick in, especially the EQ. 2nd. 200mg of EQ won't do anything at those doses. It won't matter if you inject 100mg of Test on Day one or 500mg of Test on day one. You need to do a lot more research.

I tend to agree.^^^....

[mkrulic]

and expect to get sick. thats just part of the game

[BUYLONGTERM]

and expect to get sick. thats just part of the game

I've been on gear for years and I have NEVER once gotten sick or even felt sick?

[mkrulic]

I've been on gear for years and I have NEVER once gotten sick or even felt sick?

injecting a forein substance in your body will cause your body to up the antibodies. this is what causes test flu from what I understand. whatever causes it is irrelavent. most people on this board, me included, experience this. do a search if you dont believe me.

[BUYLONGTERM]

injecting a forein substance in your body will cause your body to up the antibodies. this is what causes test flu from what I understand. whatever causes it is irrelavent. most people on this board, me included, experience this. do a search if you dont believe me.

I don't need to do a search on this board considering I've been on it for almost 6 years! I'm not saying people don't get sick, but I guarantee you most people do not. I was simply referring to myself.

[one8nine]

I don't need to do a search on this board considering I've been on it for almost 6 years! I'm not saying people don't get sick, but I guarantee you most people do not. I was simply referring to myself.

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[mkrulic]

I don't need to do a search on this board considering I've been on it for almost 6 years! I'm not saying people don't get sick, but I guarantee you most people do not. I was simply referring to myself.

If you see a set of horse tracks do you assume zebra? assume most common. If you hit the search you would find the majority have experienced test flu. It makes sense to assume he would fit into the majority, not the minority.

[stpete]

I've been on gear for years and I have NEVER once gotten sick or even felt sick?

x2...Me either.

400mgs of test would be minimum for me. Your docs are being safe, and you'll see some gains at that dose. But for 1st cycle i would just recommend test. Especially since you're already worried about how your body is going to react. This would multiplied x2 if you add another compound. Just my opinion of course.

[one8nine]

x2...Me either.

400mgs of test would be minimum for me. Your docs are being safe, and you'll see some gains at that dose. But for 1st cycle i would just recommend test. Especially since you're already worried about how your body is going to react. This would multiplied x2 if you add another compound. Just my opinion of course.

youre actually #3
inky was #2

and im #4

[mkrulic]

youre actually #3
inky was #2

and im #4

I cant believe none of you guys get sick when starting a cycle. I get sick every time

[Rando911]

I am getting contraditory advice. "expect to get sick, its part of the game" and 400mg test E and EQ a wk is "not even worth it". Doctors told me not to go over 400mg wk. Are they wrong or just keeping it safe?

[mkrulic]

I am getting contraditory advice. "expect to get sick, its part of the game" and 400mg test E and EQ a wk is "not even worth it". Doctors told me not to go over 400mg wk. Are they wrong or just keeping it safe?

400mg/week is fine for the test. I doubt your doctor would have recommended eq. I doubt anyone who has used eq would recommend eq

[one8nine]

400mg/week is fine for the test. I doubt your doctor would have recommended eq. I doubt anyone who has used eq would recommend eq

haahha
you need hater of equipoise under your name

and just start one of these threads to link out


sust sucks
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352930

[mkrulic]

haahha
you need hater of equipoise under your name

and just start one of these threads to link out


sust sucks
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352930

I think I will do that, as soon as Im technicaly savy enough to figure it out. haha

[BUYLONGTERM]

I am getting contraditory advice. "expect to get sick, its part of the game" and 400mg test E and EQ a wk is "not even worth it". Doctors told me not to go over 400mg wk. Are they wrong or just keeping it safe?

No Dr. is going to tell you to take more than an HRT dose of Test. You won't find a respectable Dr. even telling you to take EQ. My first cycle I started with 250mg of Test and it changed my whole body. However, when it comes to EQ, I not only think anything under 400mg is a waste, I am not even that big of a fan of it. I've done it several times, and to be honest, I won't do it again.

BLT

[kingwilliam]

If i were you I would take 2cc's of the Test per week, broken up in two shots.....and not even worry about the EQ.

Like someone above said, the test will take at least 4 weeks before you start "feeling" the effects, unless you can get some propionate to give it a quick test run..

[Big]

I'll chime in- I've cycled more than a few times, never had test flu, never saw a zebra, and in my humble opinion EQ officially sucks. I would consider a dose of less than 600mg/week to be a waste, and I will never run it again regardless of the dose.

[BUYLONGTERM]

I'll chime in- I've cycled more than a few times, never had test flu, never saw a zebra, and in my humble opinion EQ officially sucks. I would consider a dose of less than 600mg/week to be a waste, and I will never run it again regardless of the dose.

BINGO! Couldn't of said it any better! I've tried talking myself into liking EQ, but looking back, I never ever saw great results from running it. The only reason I ran it a few months back is because It was given to me for free. I wouldn't waste my MONEY on the stuff. (I have seen a zebra getting sick on test)

[Nitro29]

It makes me lethargic, but thats about it. No test flu here yet.

[BUYLONGTERM]

Also remember this board has more newbies than it ever has. So, I will be shocked if any of these guys truly had test flu or it's in their head.

[one8nine]

Also remember this board has more newbies than it ever has. So, I will be shocked if any of these guys truly had test flu or it's in their head.

dang i thought that was just in my head.
i remember a year ago all i did was sit on here read and learn there were so many experienced people but now i find myself mostly giving out advice.

[BUYLONGTERM]

dang i thought that was just in my head.
i remember a year ago all i did was sit on here read and learn there were so many experienced people but now i find myself mostly giving out advice.

It's actually quite scary how much bad advise I'm reading lately. I've brought it up several times.

[one8nine]

It's actually quite scary how much bad advise I'm reading lately. I've brought it up several times.

yeah like tellin people to use nolva to prevent deca gyno. overall misuse of serms/ais is my main concern.

[kingwilliam]

I had test flu on T400, but not on Propionate.... It must depend on where it comes from , what brand, what dosage............

[mkrulic]

I had test flu on T400, but not on Propionate.... It must depend on where it comes from , what brand, what dosage............

make sure and vote

[Ashop]

I am fairly informed when it comes to AS. I would like to hear what other people have to say about my plan.

I am doing my last bit of research and have decided on my first injectable cycle ( I have toyed with many orals, and know many ppl who have been on the juice buss). What I am wondering is, would it be safer to take half a dose on my first injection. My theory is: If I have a bad reaction to the dose, it should be half as bad...? Secondly, I would like to slowly ramp up my test levels.

For example:

I have decided on Test E 200 and EQ 200. I will be doing 1cc of test and 1cc of EQ Weekly. I would like to start out with 1cc test for week one. Then add the EQ to week two.

I have even considered an exploratory 1/2 cc Test the first week, 1/2 cc EQ the second week. The third week add the two together for a total of 1cc Test/EQ. And Finaly the forth week on, 1cc T and 1cc EQ.

What Ya Think, and why? Thanks Guys!

I have heard of Test flu and other complications with the first injections. Wondering if there is any validity to my thinking?

IF your more comfortable doing it that way by all means do so.
back years ago most all cycles were tapered up and then tapered off.

[Rando911]

Ok, I guess I will stick with just Test for the first trial. Thanks for all the advise!

[Rando911]

Finally, someone who isnt so closed minded. ****, I want to point out that most ppl on this forum are doing nearly the highest dose possible without hurting themselves. I tend to take a different rout.. I want to use as little as possible in order to have possitive results. I cant believe my eyes when I see the doses some ppl are using on a regular basis. Just because you feel well doesent mean you are not doing major damage to your body.

I just want everyone to be safe. No one wants to got to the doctor for gyno!

[Big]

Finally, someone who isnt so closed minded. ****, I want to point out that most ppl on this forum are doing nearly the highest dose possible without hurting themselves. I tend to take a different rout.. I want to use as little as possible in order to have possitive results. I cant believe my eyes when I see the doses some ppl are using on a regular basis. Just because you feel well doesent mean you are not doing major damage to your body.

I just want everyone to be safe. No one wants to got to the doctor for gyno!

finally someone who isn't closed minded? more like finally someone said what you wanted to hear even though he gave you outdated advice. tapering on and off was very popular in the 80's. was is the key word, people learned that just because something looks good on paper doesn't mean it applies well in the real world. the fact is, tapering causes unstable blood serum levels, and that is where the unwanted side effects come from, unfortunately it took years of trial and error for some to figure that out. I just wanted to chime in, good luck, I'll take my closed minded point of view elsewhere.

[one8nine]

finally someone who isn't closed minded? more like finally someone said what you wanted to hear even though he gave you outdated advice. tapering on and off was very popular in the 80's. was is the key word, people learned that just because something looks good on paper doesn't mean it applies well in the real world. the fact is, tapering causes unstable blood serum levels, and that is where the unwanted side effects come from, unfortunately it took years of trial and error for some to figure that out. I just wanted to chime in, good luck, I'll take my closed minded point of view elsewhere.

ahahah yes

[BUYLONGTERM]

finally someone who isn't closed minded? more like finally someone said what you wanted to hear even though he gave you outdated advice. tapering on and off was very popular in the 80's. was is the key word, people learned that just because something looks good on paper doesn't mean it applies well in the real world. the fact is, tapering causes unstable blood serum levels, and that is where the unwanted side effects come from, unfortunately it took years of trial and error for some to figure that out. I just wanted to chime in, good luck, I'll take my closed minded point of view elsewhere.

EXACTLY. Spoken from a true professional! Let him do it the way he thinks it should be done. I would NEVER taper my doses! I tell ya, all these new guys think they know it all. When I first came to the board, I did tons of research and learn from guys like BIG. I learned to do cycles the correct way! Just like you hear guys come on the board and say well THIS MASSIVE bodybuilder in my gym tells me to do it this way and HE MUST BE right because he is so HUGE. Some guys don't want the correct answer, they want the answer that they think is true. (give me a break)

[one8nine]

Finally, someone who isnt so closed minded. ****, I want to point out that most ppl on this forum are doing nearly the highest dose possible without hurting themselves. I tend to take a different rout.. I want to use as little as possible in order to have possitive results. I cant believe my eyes when I see the doses some ppl are using on a regular basis. Just because you feel well doesent mean you are not doing major damage to your body.

I just want everyone to be safe. No one wants to got to the doctor for gyno!

a l i n gives terrible advice look at his posts he tells people to do hgh/igf/anadrol/deca for first cycles. most members around here know why he stands to benefit but im not going into that in the open board.
gyno can be prevented
estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229