Enanthate vs Propionate

[BJJ]

I am considering my next and second cycle.
Being a martial artist, water for me is an issue so I was thinking to use testosterone propionate instead of enanthate in regards of its ability to cause the least side effects and the least bloating.
This, in spite I shall have to inject every other day instead of twice a week.

Who disagrees? and in case, why?

Testosterone (no ester) C19 H28 O2, Molecular Weight 288.4 mg = 100 mg
Propionate C3 H4 O, Molecular Weight 56.1 mg = 83.72 mg (shortest)
Cypionate C8 H4 O, Molecular Weight 124.2 mg = 69.90 mg (longest)

[redz]

I don`t really think one causes more sides than the other. Bloat can be easily controlled with enanthate with a clean diet and if necessary an ai.

[BJJ]

I don`t really think one causes more sides than the other. Bloat can be easily controlled with enanthate with a clean diet and if necessary an ai.

Are you sure a clean diet is enough?
I really would not like to take an AI during...

[G4R]

I have always had the least amount of water retention with Prop. Are you looking bulk or cut with this cycle?

Oh, I prefer to inject Prop ED as opposed to EOD, but thats just me.

[BJJ]

I have always had the least amount of water retention with Prop. Are you looking bulk or cut with this cycle?

Oh, I prefer to inject Prop ED as opposed to EOD, but thats just me.

I want to bulk but I want no water, possibly!

[Big]

I like prop, and I shoot it ed for the most stable levels.

[BJJ]

I like prop, and I shoot it ed for the most stable levels.

How do you manage the sites of the injections?
Shooting ed should make you like an emmenthal cheese! no?

I was thinking myself to shoot mostly on my legs which are always covered during my either rollings and work-outs.
What would you suggest by your own experience?

[Big]

How do you manage the sites of the injections?
Shooting ed should make you like an emmenthal cheese! no?

I was thinking myself to shoot mostly on my legs which are always covered during my either rollings and work-outs.
What would you suggest by your own experience?

I just use a lot of injection sites so I'm not hitting the same spot very often.

[RANA]

I just use a lot of injection sites so I'm not hitting the same spot very often.

I agree^^^, I hit one spot per week. I stay away from quads with prop.

[BJJ]

I agree^^^, I hit one spot per week. I stay away from quads with prop.

Why is that?

[Mooseman33]

i only use prop now.

[BJJ]

I like prop, and I shoot it ed for the most stable levels.

i only use prop now.

So you both used enanthate before and realized it is better using propionate?

[chuckt12345]

i never really felt or seen a diffrence
if the prop is pain free then id prb go with prop alot more

[Deadviking]

Don't see the prob by just using arimidex or something during en..

[workoutfreak078]

Don't see the prob by just using arimidex or something during en..

Because lowering your estrogen can hinder gains, so it is best to try and keep a clean diet or use a different compound to prevent water bloat.

[BJJ]

Because lowering your estrogen can hinder gains, so it is best to try and keep a clean diet or use a different compound to prevent water bloat.

...So?

[workoutfreak078]

...So?

He was asking why you didn't just take an anti-estrogen to reduce bloat. I assumed you didn't want to take it because it hinders gains. That is where my response came from.

[G4R]

Stay clean with your diet and you shouldnt have too much of an issue.

[Mooseman33]

BJJ- run some prop, with ur knowledge im sure ur diet is on point.
just research ur prop first as u do not want prop that will cripple u.
there is painless prop around, take ur time and get it..

u will be happy brother

[BJJ]

BJJ- run some prop, with ur knowledge im sure ur diet is on point.
just research ur prop first as u do not want prop that will cripple u.
there is painless prop around, take ur time and get it..

u will be happy brother

You are talking about the quality of the propionate, right?
Also, what do you mean for painless propionate? I mean, if the prop is legit regardless the source of origin, the chemical structure is the same, so why painless?

[cvictorg]

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

[BJJ]

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

Do you mean the first three weeks only?

[cvictorg]

Do you mean the first three weeks only?

No I mean 3x/week for the length of the cycle - stop the EQ 2 weeks before the end od the cycle - continue with the prop - then start the pct

[BJJ]

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

With that amount of eq, is the increase of appetite severe?

[cvictorg]

With that amount of eq, is the increase of appetite severe?

Not severe - very controllable - what I did notice was that my cardio became easier so I had to increase the resistance on the elliptical at my gym and the definition became quite noticiable

test prop + eq - a very good cycle to be on

[hot stuff]

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

Two weeks into this exact cycle and I love it! Yes, I have used Enanthate before, but I like this cycle better. I shoot EOD with no problems. The effects are almost immediate (from the prop.) and no side problems. Very controllable.

[Airnzah]

Two weeks into this exact cycle and I love it! Yes, I have used Enanthate before, but I like this cycle better. I shoot EOD with no problems. The effects are almost immediate (from the prop.) and no side problems. Very controllable.

this thread is making me think twice about what cycle I'm gonna do! originally this is what I also planned. but I think I'll do this the next time.

OP keep us posted on your progress

[urbanbody]

You are talking about the quality of the propionate, right?
Also, what do you mean for painless propionate? I mean, if the prop is legit regardless the source of origin, the chemical structure is the same, so why painless?

Why painless? Bro you will for sure get tired of injecting prop when it hurts. Sometimes you can find a ugl that is less BA which will make it less pain!

[urbanbody]

I always get more bloat with enanthate no matter what diet is like. I always used enan in the past but last 2 years ive gotten better results with prop! Most of my friends who fight only use Prop as a test due to the short ester and drug test.

[BJJ]

I always get more bloat with enanthate no matter what diet is like. I always used enan in the past but last 2 years ive gotten better results with prop! Most of my friends who fight only use Prop as a test due to the short ester and drug test.

That is what I was thinking.
Sure the diet is fundamental but propionate should give you a better shape compared to enanthate.

[urbanbody]

That is what I was thinking.
Sure the diet is fundamental but propionate should give you a better shape compared to enanthate.

Thats what my experience as many others are as well.

[Mooseman33]

prop can be legit and hurt like a SOB
can also be legit and be painless.
i have used both, right now i have the smoothest prop i ever used..

i dont know all the tech. terms, someone who brews will shed some light but it has to do not with the test powder but with the other chems used to complete the process.

[BJJ]

prop can be legit and hurt like a SOB
can also be legit and be painless.
i have used both, right now i have the smoothest prop i ever used..

i dont know all the tech. terms, someone who brews will shed some light but it has to do not with the test powder but with the other chems used to complete the process.

Of course, it is logic. My bad!
Thanks

[Mooseman33]

he means 3 times a week.

[BJJ]

he means 3 times a week.

Today I must be drunk!

[Critical Mass]

If you are gonna inj ed or eod go with prop. There is really no need to inj enan eod.

Use a 12,7mm syringe for ed inj.

[BJJ]

If you are gonna inj ed or eod go with prop. There is really no need to inj enan eod.

Use a 12,7mm syringe for ed inj.

I did not mean to inject en ed or eod but twice a week.
What's gauge is the syringe you advised?

[chuckt12345]

yea my last bttl of prop i had bout mad me cry eveytime just thinkn about my next shot

[G4R]

You get used to the pain with prop. Just rotate your injection spots all over. Quads, Glutes, Delts, Biceps, Chest.

Remember, you have 3 different muscle heads in your Delts you can inject into (although the outer head can be difficult to reach sometimes), and 2 different muscle heads in your biceps, outer (long head) and the inner (short head).

[BJJ]

You get used to the pain with prop. Just rotate your injection spots all over. Quads, Glutes, Delts, Biceps, Chest.

Remember, you have 3 different muscle heads in your Delts you can inject into (although the outer head can be difficult to reach sometimes), and 2 different muscle heads in your biceps, outer (long head) and the inner (short head).

Definitely, I am going to follow your suggestion.
I do not want to become a gruyère...

Also, it must be very painful to inject on ones bicep, or?