Looking for info on First cycle..

[n00bs]

Hey guys looking for info on first cycle..

23yo
177cm
108kg

Current lifts
squat 1rm 185kg / 407.855 lb

Deadlift 1rm 220kg / 485 lb , 5rm 200kg / 440.924 lb

Bench 120kg / 264 lb

Clean and press 100 kg / 220.462 lb


All lifts performed with a multitude of hormonal **** ups..

Looking for info on a first cycle. No pct is needed as im on trt.

I currently have very low IGF-1... And have adrenal fatique..

Because of low gh and igf01 im not repairing and the fat wont budge so i need something to help me recover gain some mass and just help me along.

HGH replacement is expensive here its abount $1500 a month for 100iu's. So that isnt something i want do although i may need it i would rather get onto some grp6.

Just curious for some test/deca reccomendations.. As i have heard test alone you dont keep much gains? Maybe rumour looking for experience as thats all that counts, results//

Appreciated,

n00bs

[Noles12]

With the extensive knowledge you have shown i would assuem you could at least propose a cycle to be critiqued

[n00bs]

With the extensive knowledge you have shown i would assuem you could at least propose a cycle to be critiqued

Honestly mate, I dont know about juice..

I know about TRT and nutrition and training to get strong..

When it comes to other things I am seirously in the woods so anything would be a guess on my part...

A dr wanted to prescribe me 1000mg test weekly with 300mg deca.

Shoot eod...

Sounds like alot to me..

So i thought i would ask experienced people as this is out of my league and i admit it...

[stevey_6t9]

Honestly mate, I dont know about juice..

I know about TRT and nutrition and training to get strong..

When it comes to other things I am seirously in the woods so anything would be a guess on my part...

A dr wanted to prescribe me 1000mg test weekly with 300mg deca.

Shoot eod...

Sounds like alot to me..

So i thought i would ask experienced people as this is out of my league and i admit it...

is that a typo?

[Noles12]

is that a typo?

If not that is the second person in the last week that i have seen where a doc has recommended a gram of test

[stevey_6t9]

If not that is the second person in the last week that i have seen where a doc has recommended a gram of test

The docs are getting wackier by the minute

[n00bs]

is that a typo?

No mate its not a typo at all... This isnt my Dr btw.. Another Dr.

The only concern i have with a cycle is that my shbg is already low..

[BJJ]

No mate its not a typo at all... This isnt my Dr btw.. Another Dr.

The only concern i have with a cycle is that my shbg is already low..

Could you post your values?

[stevey_6t9]

No mate its not a typo at all... This isnt my Dr btw.. Another Dr.

The only concern i have with a cycle is that my shbg is already low..

why are you concerned about low shbg?

using aas will raise it 2 fold after 8 weeks.

[Noles12]

Where too much for a first cycle. Since yo are on TRT, i would put the test around 500 mg/week. The deca would be good around 300-400 mg/week (some may prefer to go higher but since this is a first cycle i would see how you grow off of these doses)

[BJJ]

Where too much for a first cycle. Since yo are on TRT, i would put the test around 500 mg/week. The deca would be good around 300-400 mg/week (some may prefer to go higher but since this is a first cycle i would see how you grow off of these doses)

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[n00bs]

Cortisol Profile morning 15.2 (6.0-42)
Miday 8.3 (0.0-11)
Afternoon 12.8 (2-11)
Evening 1.5 (1-8)

nmol/L

DHEAs

Morning 18.3 (5.0-30)
DHEA/CORTISOL AM 1.2 (0.2-0.6)

===========================
Results for IGF
IGF-1 39 nmol/L (24-102)
IGFBP3 151 nmol/L (115-265)


Thyroid results ( i believe are masked by adrenal funciton if this is the case thyroid hormones pool in the blood and are not entering cells thus giving serum levels that everything is ok..
TSH - 1.67mU/L (0.40-3.5
ft4 14.8pmol/L (9.0-19.00)
ft3 4.7 pmol/L (2.6-6.0)

Oestradiol 61pmol/l <160
Testosterone 28.0 nmol/L (11.5-32) (50mg testogel daily without it 4.3nmol/L)
SHBG 12 nmol/L* 15-50
FAI 233.3* % (15-100)

[BJJ]

Cortisol Profile morning 15.2 (6.0-42)
Miday 8.3 (0.0-11)
Afternoon 12.8 (2-11)
Evening 1.5 (1-8)

nmol/L

DHEAs

Morning 18.3 (5.0-30)
DHEA/CORTISOL AM 1.2 (0.2-0.6)

===========================
Results for IGF
IGF-1 39 nmol/L (24-102)
IGFBP3 151 nmol/L (115-265)


Thyroid results ( i believe are masked by adrenal funciton if this is the case thyroid hormones pool in the blood and are not entering cells thus giving serum levels that everything is ok..
TSH - 1.67mU/L (0.40-3.5
ft4 14.8pmol/L (9.0-19.00)
ft3 4.7 pmol/L (2.6-6.0)

Oestradiol 61pmol/l <160
Testosterone 28.0 nmol/L (11.5-32) (50mg testogel daily without it 4.3nmol/L)
SHBG 12 nmol/L* 15-50
FAI 233.3* % (15-100)

Interesting, thanks.

Two Questions here:

Why did not you check also TBG?
What is FAI?

[n00bs]

Interesting, thanks.

Two Questions here:

Why did not you check also TBG?
What is FAI?

FAI is free androgen index it measures androgens that are well FREE lol.. Subtracts shbg and other binding proteins albumin ect and shows you a ratio that is free.. I think i have a good raito there..

Didnt do TBG as it was hard enough getting t3 and t4 in this country other wise they only do TSH and if that is fine miraculously you have no problem..

Totally retarded thinking because if that was the case we should only measure testosterone from LH and if LH is fine then testosterone must be fine right? Beep wrong their morons.. We know many people have normal LH vlaues and below range testosterone (myself included. )

I could get the test done myself but i dont have the cash at the moment.. I just spent 120 on saliva cortisol testing (as they believe only 1 draw in the morning is adequate what rubbish!) also i got an iGG food intolerence test. Thats about 300... Also i need to order a 24h urinary GH test thats like 300 again..

Im a student who works 1-2 days a week.. Cash is strapped at the moment..

[BJJ]

FAI is free androgen index it measures androgens that are well FREE lol.. Subtracts shbg and other binding proteins albumin ect and shows you a ratio that is free.. I think i have a good raito there..

Didnt do TBG as it was hard enough getting t3 and t4 in this country other wise they only do TSH and if that is fine miraculously you have no problem..

Totally retarded thinking because if that was the case we should only measure testosterone from LH and if LH is fine then testosterone must be fine right? Beep wrong their morons.. We know many people have normal LH vlaues and below range testosterone (myself included. )

I could get the test done myself but i dont have the cash at the moment.. I just spent 120 on saliva cortisol testing (as they believe only 1 draw in the morning is adequate what rubbish!) also i got an iGG food intolerence test. Thats about 300... Also i need to order a 24h urinary GH test thats like 300 again..

Im a student who works 1-2 days a week.. Cash is strapped at the moment..

Well, I am glad you are on of those who recognize the importance of blood work.
Keep it up.

[n00bs]

Well, I am glad you are on of those who recognize the importance of blood work.
Keep it up.

I have suffered with my problems for 12 years or so...

I diagnosed myself with secondary hypogonadism my gp wouldnt even test me at first, then he refused to test my e2 as he said oestrogen cant make you fat.. Lol i laughed and left. I just get so frustrated with retarded dr's...

Want something done right you do it yourself..

[n00bs]

Thought so...

**** its 440am andi cant sleep.. Benelike this all week its ****ing ridiculous. Im not going to recover from workouts

[Swifto]

SHBG is of no concern to use AAS user's, 99% of the time. The total androgen amount/load will compensate.