Which steroids for first cycle?

[Young Bodybuilder]

Hi guys, ok so i have been doing research into steroids and know the necessary dosages, PCT, milk thistle, liv52 etc.. But what i don't know is what to have as a first cycle? I don't want to dabble in injectables just yet, I'm not ready for that. I was thinking a 6 week cycle of D-bol + 2 weeks Nolvadex but people have said D-bol only cycles create water retention and a bloating effect and also that you lose most of the gains when you come off it? I don't want to be guzzling dozens of different pills, just a simple cycle that will burn any excess fat and most importantly help me pack on the poundage. Seasoned answers would be much appreciated, thanks

[t-dogg]

Wait till you are 25 to do gear. Your age you shouldnt have any issues gains or leaning out at all. Read our stickies and check out the diet section for now.

[Young Bodybuilder]

Wait till you are 25 to do gear. Your age you shouldnt have any issues gains or leaning out at all. Read our stickies and check out the diet section for now.

I have already made up my mind on the decision to take steroids, i assure you i am of age where damaging my endocrine system is not an issue, I'm simply looking for advice from seasoned members who have actually ran cycles, rather than reading articles on the web which could be a load of flannel, thank-you for your concern though

[Judah]

I have already made up my mind on the decision to take steroids, i assure you i am of age where damaging my endocrine system is not an issue, I'm simply looking for advice from seasoned members who have actually ran cycles, rather than reading articles on the web which could be a load of flannel, thank-you for your concern though

Your not going to get "good advice" or any advice on here especially from the vets here with that approach. You don't know enough to be giving cocky responses like that. Be smart, adjust your approach to start encouraging good advice from those you want it from.

[Shadowmaker]

Your not going to get "good advice" or any advice on here especially from the vets here with that approach

cause the "vets" decide for you... kinda reminds me of Stalin and "the good old days"....

anyways, here's my bad advice - if you MUST use steroids and want to use only orals - Stanozolol or Dbol i gues... Start at 20mg, if you feel need - can go higher, but i wouldnt go higher than 40mg because of possible acne.
Dbol can cause kidney f*ck-up like im having now - hurts a bit, so start low dosages first.

Orals as dbol are ok for starters because they get out of the system much faster them some injectables, and if you screw up, you'll just have to suffer for a week or so

EDIT - if your diet is not perfect youll just gain water and lose it all a few weeks after... diet is 80% of all the result.

[Judah]

cause the "vets" decide for you... kinda reminds me of Stalin and "the good old days"....

anyways, here's my bad advice - if you MUST use steroids and want to use only orals - Stanozolol or Dbol i gues... Start at 20mg, if you feel need - can go higher, but i wouldnt go higher than 40mg because of possible acne.
Dbol can cause kidney f*ck-up like im having now - hurts a bit, so start low dosages first.

Orals as dbol are ok for starters because they get out of the system much faster them some injectables, and if you screw up, you'll just have to suffer for a week or so

EDIT - if your diet is not perfect youll just gain water and lose it all a few weeks after... diet is 80% of all the result.

No it's universal in life. If you have no experience in a certain field of knowledge and you walk up to somebody and tell him you've made your mind up about something very specific in that area, you're not sending a very mature message to motivate experts to help you. If a guy asks you "hey I'm hungry how do I make a shit sandwich?" You don't just tell him how to make a shit sandwich, you educate him about other options that could quite possibly be much better than shit sandwich.

[papa-g]

cause the "vets" decide for you... kinda reminds me of Stalin and "the good old days"....

anyways, here's my bad advice - if you MUST use steroids and want to use only orals - Stanozolol or Dbol i gues... Start at 20mg, if you feel need - can go higher, but i wouldnt go higher than 40mg because of possible acne.
Dbol can cause kidney f*ck-up like im having now - hurts a bit, so start low dosages first.

Orals as dbol are ok for starters because they get out of the system much faster them some injectables, and if you screw up, you'll just have to suffer for a week or so

EDIT - if your diet is not perfect youll just gain water and lose it all a few weeks after... diet is 80% of all the result.

This is bullshit. But then again since you are also 22 what would you know anyway!

Op. whether you made up your mind or not, you owe it to yourself to do your own research on this subject. It's your body and your gonna have to live with the consequence if something should go wrong. So please check out the stickies and read about the affects of these compounds. There is a ton of free knowledge here if you just take some time to look. There is alot more at risk then liver damage at your age. Some of which may not be reversable. How would you like to be 30 and not be able to get a hard on or suffer from depression. Or would if you hit the gym and blow out your knee trying to be a stud. This could happen it you put to much weight on and the connective tissue can't handle it. These are full what ifs and like I said. You owe it to yourself to at leaste get a good grasp if it before you go asking for any of the vets here to help u plan a cycle.

Papa

[stpete]

cause the "vets" decide for you... kinda reminds me of Stalin and "the good old days"....

anyways, here's my bad advice - if you MUST use steroids and want to use only orals - Stanozolol or Dbol i gues... Start at 20mg, if you feel need - can go higher, but i wouldnt go higher than 40mg because of possible acne.
Dbol can cause kidney f*ck-up like im having now - hurts a bit, so start low dosages first.

Orals as dbol are ok for starters because they get out of the system much faster them some injectables, and if you screw up, you'll just have to suffer for a week or so

EDIT - if your diet is not perfect youll just gain water and lose it all a few weeks after... diet is 80% of all the result.

We give solid advice and get a lot of great help from other members here that believe in doing things the right way. That's what this board is about. And we don't decide on what a person will ultimately do, that's up to the individual. What we do decide on though, is how long we're going to tolerate posts like this. You admittedly have kidney issues yet still tell OP it's ok to use orals. That's just plain bad advice.

Please refrain from posting this nonsense in the future.

[Tigershark]

cause the "vets" decide for you... kinda reminds me of Stalin and "the good old days"....

anyways, here's my bad advice - if you MUST use steroids and want to use only orals - Stanozolol or Dbol i gues... Start at 20mg, if you feel need - can go higher, but i wouldnt go higher than 40mg because of possible acne.
Dbol can cause kidney f*ck-up like im having now - hurts a bit, so start low dosages first.

Orals as dbol are ok for starters because they get out of the system much faster them some injectables, and if you screw up, you'll just have to suffer for a week or so

EDIT - if your diet is not perfect youll just gain water and lose it all a few weeks after... diet is 80% of all the result.

We have a universal code on this site and it is not to give advice to people that may hurt them. It is not a Stalin "thing" and you should be suspended just for spewing that garbage and garbage advice.

[t-dogg]

I have already made up my mind on the decision to take steroids, i assure you i am of age where damaging my endocrine system is not an issue, I'm simply looking for advice from seasoned members who have actually ran cycles, rather than reading articles on the web which could be a load of flannel, thank-you for your concern though

OK, well vets will tell you the same thing lol. Next, I said read OUR STICKIES, not the webs.

BTW, since you said your system is good to go my question is how do you know?

[Twin]

i assure you i am of age where damaging my endocrine system is not an issue, I'

[songdog]

if you knew 1/2 wat you thought you knew.You wouldnt be here now.Do to the health risks we dont give cycle advice to anyone under 25.

[Judah]

Hi guys, ok so i have been doing research into steroids and know the necessary dosages, PCT, milk thistle, liv52 etc.. But what i don't know is what to have as a first cycle? I don't want to dabble in injectables just yet, I'm not ready for that. I was thinking a 6 week cycle of D-bol + 2 weeks Nolvadex but people have said D-bol only cycles create water retention and a bloating effect and also that you lose most of the gains when you come off it? I don't want to be guzzling dozens of different pills, just a simple cycle that will burn any excess fat and most importantly help me pack on the poundage. Seasoned answers would be much appreciated, thanks

There is no "dabbling"when using AS dude.

If your not ready for injectables, then your not ready period.

You have not done research you have casually browsed around or you would already know how and why you keep or lose gains after a cycle.

You really feel you have done thorough research?

[Young Bodybuilder]

There is no "dabbling"when using AS dude.

If your not ready for injectables, then your not ready period.

You have not done research you have casually browsed around or you would already know how and why you keep or lose gains after a cycle.

You really feel you have done thorough research?

I've heard stories online saying that most of the gains are retained water, this is why I'm here. As i said, i want advice from experienced users.

[Judah]

I've heard stories online saying that most of the gains are retained water, this is why I'm here. As i said, i want advice from experienced users.

Well your statement is not "the full story", I'm not blaming you for that it's just important that you know that. Let me explain further. Size and weight increase can be a result of some "water retention" however if your training and eating correctly regardless of any water retention you get you will also achieve great gains. Don't start thinking that certain gear just makes you hold water and thats why your bigger. Most gear that has that effect also makes you really effin strong. You get stronger, you can lift more, and then grow more. Gear with these characteristics are typically good bulkers.

Does that help at all?

[Young Bodybuilder]

Didn't come here to get flamed. Just wanted some advice etc.. You were all novice's once, no? ...

[papa-g]

Didn't come here to get flamed. Just wanted some advice etc.. You were all novice's once, no? ...

Hey bro, I don't think anyone is flaming you. And you will get solid advise if you ate willing to listen and learn. Why make the same mistakes others did when it can be avoided right? But remember, your the one who started out by saying you had you your mind made up and that was that. With an attitude like that you won't get too far Round here. But it sounds like you do have alot to learn and you might be willing to listen when people talk so I hope you make the right choices that best fit what you want out of life. And on the gaining water question, yes, some AAS will cause extra water weight. The use of an on cycle AI will help this. Other compounds have almost zero water weight gain associated with them.

These are reasons why if you take the time to read the steroid profiles you will better understand how they work and what they can do. Also take note that none of that will matter if you don't eat right and train hard while getting enough rest in between. Stick around and you will learn alot. Most will come from reading other threads a d then, if you get stuck, ask. You will get help.

Papa.

[MuscleInk]

Hey bro, I don't think anyone is flaming you. And you will get solid advise if you ate willing to listen and learn. Why make the same mistakes others did when it can be avoided right? But remember, your the one who started out by saying you had you your mind made up and that was that. With an attitude like that you won't get too far Round here. But it sounds like you do have alot to learn and you might be willing to listen when people talk so I hope you make the right choices that best fit what you want out of life. And on the gaining water question, yes, some AAS will cause extra water weight. The use of an on cycle AI will help this. Other compounds have almost zero water weight gain associated with them.

These are reasons why if you take the time to read the steroid profiles you will better understand how they work and what they can do. Also take note that none of that will matter if you don't eat right and train hard while getting enough rest in between. Stick around and you will learn alot. Most will come from reading other threads a d then, if you get stuck, ask. You will get help.

Papa.

^^^^Precisely. Posting a nutrition and training plan will be helpful so we can so the bigger picture and help with a total plan to achieve goals.

[Young Bodybuilder]

Okay, I've read the answers on here. Although a lot of "overprotective parent" style answers on here from guys that probably dosed way before the age of 25 and are complete hypocrites (i do understand you are trying to help me, but the way you go about it is not practical and frankly plain stupid, all I'm saying is that if someone came to me looking for advice i would rather educate them and make sure they know all the pro's and cons etc before starting a cycle, than feeding them a load of flannel, that boogeyman will come and eat you etc..so the individual does not feel ill-informed, thinks these guys are a bunch of assholes and goes off and swallow's a whole tub of dbol.. you get the picture) there were a few that were informative and helpful ones though. I went to the doctors and have had blood work done. Also he confirmed my epiphyseal plates are fully closed. I'd just like to thank Papa g as i thought his answers were among some on the most informative and helpful to me, so again thank-you.