Just wondering if employers test for juice or just if you compete. More interested in fire depts. testing for juice, thx
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Do Any Employers Test For As?
Just wondering if employers test for juice or just if you compete. More interested in fire depts. testing for juice, thx
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No they don't. Do a search on drugs tests and you'll find lots of threads on this subject.
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The NFL.
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How do players still manage to juice with those tests?Originally Posted by inheritmylife
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it is easier than you think to pass a drug test. Sometimes however they are strict and it makes it harder but still possible. Also in the NFL where many of the athletes juice, it is probably more common that the coaches, trainers, etc, help to hide the use. Also many athletes will juice in the off season and use drugs that leave the system quickly.
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Howdy Head,
This is bad and dangerous advice.
My present job DID test for AAS's in the pre-employment drug test. My old job also tested for AAS's in the pre-employment drug test. Plus they checked for AAS's in the annual drug test.
Some jobs might test, alot doesn't because of the cost. Only the employer and the lab rats know what they test for.
Most college and all pro football players have trainers that deal w/ the AAS use & testing. When guys ask for help on cycles because they play football, they are HS kids. In college, the trainers handle these things. Some HS even do this.
Stengun
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Dude they don't even test ppl for AS at the federal level, that includes the service, customs, secret service etc.
State police, local cops, fire fighters etc DO NOT get tested for AS.
I have friends in all of the above mentioned jobs and EVERYONE of them was juiced out of the skulls when they were given their drug tests.
What's given is a 9 pannel drug screen which does NOT include AS.
If you got tested for AS then the company you work for must have had a reason to test you...They don't do it plain and simple....
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Howdy,
More bad and dangerous advice.
At both jobs they check everybody. As a military vet they started checking for AAS's in Jan. '88. I'm not sure if the still do. As a former federal gov't employee, they do test for AAS's. My wife is an Arkansas state employee and they test for AAS's. I have a friend that works for UPS and they test for AAS's. I have a friend that got fired from the Arkansas State Police for AAS's detected in a drug test.
Everybody needs to post about their job, and not just say that they don't check for AAS's use. Alot of jobs do, but most don't. My buddy that lost his job w/ the ASP was told that AAS's can't be detected by a drug test and that they don't check for AAS's. I tried to tell him that they could be detected and that the ASP probably checks for them.
Better safe than sorry. Best thing to do, is to check on what they test for.
Stengun
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So how do u find out what they test for and how long it stays in your system?? They have to test for a specific substance.
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It's hard to say this without sounding like sounding like a prick, but this is ridiculous. You honestly think/believe that they spend the money to test everyone for AAS? Which would they look for? If they did look for AAS, they may as well check for anti e's. You really think they fork out the money to test for all the various compounds? They could just as reasonably give everyone an MRI to check for a third kidney. There is no way in hell any company would throw money down the toilet like that without sufficient cause. I don't care what your buddy at the lab said. Sorry for being harsh, but this has to stop.
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when anyone does a test whether it be law enforcement or employers it costs money. Usually one does a Urine analysis since it is cheaper than blood tests. The more compounds that are tested, the more expensive it is since they require more tests. Usually tests focus mainly on rec drugs such as cocaine and thc. In other words, testing for steroids is expensive and usually not considered in employment. It usually wont even be tested by law enforcement unless they have a reason too.
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I had to do a report on this in school and found out it is very expensive and rarely done. I'm not saying nerver though. I had some friends applying for the police dept. and were given lie detector tests instead.
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Sten if you can tell us what type of work do you do, nothing specific.thx for the info bros looks like i'm in for some serious research.
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check your pm's new
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If they do test for AS what is the best for leaving your system fast!
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Ok Im gonna settle something really quick as a Person curently in the military and did urinalysis's the US MILITARY DOES NOT CHECK FOR AS.... Also someone applying with a Police dept.. The POLICE Also DO NOT check for AS... UNLESS They have reason to belive you are talking something.. I mean if you dont look the part you have nothing to worry about.. If your like SUPPER huge and im talking SUPPER HUGE then MAYBE MAYBE they will look into giving you a test for that.. I mean ok look Ronie colman ring a bell? He was a cop right? You think he took a test for AS? hahahah I dont think so he would have lost his job 20 yrs ago. Sorry if I seem like a prick didnt mean to just trying to give some helpful thoughts.
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Very few companies, if any, have the capacity to do their own drug tests in house. That being said, they will almost always contract to an outside lab Such as Quest or Labcorp. When they do, they set up accounts. The account rep examines their business needs and comes of with a Profile, that profile has a specific number assigned to it. The profile requires the testing of samples for Specific, pre-agreed upon drugs. The drug profile has a specific cost assigned to it. Anywhere from 30-80 dollars usually and may include 3-8 substances to be tested for. Anything outside of the profile requirements would have to be SPECIFICALLY requested and the patient would know about it in advance. There are no secret tests for anything, as everything has a number assigned to it. As a former lab tech, if a company were to request testing for some substance NOT found in the pre-agreed upon Drug Profile, It would have to be added to the recquistion manually, and the patient would be told about it and would have to sign for authorization. Hope that helps...
As far as beating the test, urine is the preferred method for detecting AS (and just about any other drug like pot, coke, whatever) and the best way to beat it, especially if you KNOW you are going to take a test, say tomorrow, is to drink MASSIVE amounts of water ahead of time. The tests look for metabolites, which can be diluted so they fall below a certain threshold. You are either Positive or Negative in your results. There is no result, sent to an employer who paid for the test, that says "oh..this guy is 10% positive for this or that". The law is on your side here, for the most part. You HAVE to reach a certain, pre-determined threshold in order to be legally positive in terms of results. Otherwise, you are negative and good to go. Things like Goldenseal and other crap that just costs you money, are not worth the time. Some labs will even test for these substances and report THAT back to the potential employer!
Also, if you DO force fluids, IE:a gallon or more, the night before (which could be dangerous so be careful) make sure to take a good multivitamin or two. If the urine is totally clear, thats a warning sign to a tech. The multi-vits will give it that nice, yellow urine color we all know and love! Good Luck bro...
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I think when it comes to civil service jobs like police and fire like new said...they would pay money for that type of test.
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True, but only under certain circumstances. We used to do the drug profiles for major PD's in the area, they were all looking for opiates, pot, coke...never EVER saw a roid in there. Like I said, this is all set up in advance, so they can just give the recquistion to the potential client and send them to the lab...they get a special price for their panels and stuff and dont deviate, as a general rule, unless there are special circumstances, such as if the client admitted using a drug that is not already IN the panel.....
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Trust me they do not test for AS's for fire depts i am a firefighter and have many friends on fire departments that use and have taken many drug test. this is speeking for the midwest anyway
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I dont and I work as a firefighter.
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well i wonder if any plice recruits or applicants know??
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second question got lost in all of the excitement, what gets out of your system fast? and how fast. Thx
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just do a search for anabolic steroid half life...heres an example result...
http://www.anabolicreview.com/halflife.php
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I'm not going to even argue this anymore...If state police or armed services tested for AS then 6 of my friends from the state police and 4 of my friends in the Airforce (including my brother who was a pilot) would have never gotten jobs, not to mention my other friend that just got out of the secret service adcademy.
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The NIDA (federally mandated) DOT testing is only done for cocaine, amphetamines, marijuana, PCP and opiates with attention to heroin .
I am really unclear where Stengun is getting his information. Just call any testing center and ask about the DOT (Department of Transportation) approved testing. NO AS testing is included in that panel.
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Howdy,
You are forgetting stuff like valuims, phenybarbitol, LSD, and some designer drugs like MDMA, GBL and the list goes on.
All the test is done inhouse and the info comes from a friend that is a lab rat at the clinic. Plus, at my last job, one of the supervisors was fired for AAS's during his annual physical. It is a haz waste plant and they perform every freaking test that you can think of. They require a minimun .5 liters of urine and 40 ml of blood. They do a chest X-ray, EKG, plumanary function, hearing, vision, full liver function test, check ur nuts, butthole, teeth, and the list goes on and on. Its a real MF of a test. The first time I took the test, it took over 5 hours. The new job is self-insured and they look for reason to fire/ not hire people. Since AAS's have a bad rep. with the public in general, and the med. professionals beleive that it causes long-term damage/ health problems, this is one of the things that they test for. On my last drug test at work, they required 300ml of urine, 20 ml of blood, and most of the hair on my head, well ....a wad the size of a #2 pencile.
This is where I get my info. I don't know about your job, I just know about my job and several other peeps that I know.
The thread didn't really get off topic. MBarso said that the fire dept doesn't check for AAS's. How does he know this? If I had ask on this forum if my new job would test for AAS's, I would have been told "no", when in fact they do and I would have lost a $55,000.00 dollars a year job. Since I live in rural Arkansas this is a very good paying job. In LA, CA, it would be equal to about $125,000.00 a year job. I glad I checked, and planned accordingly.
Stengun
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Not necessarily in this order
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I'll make this quick and simple for you. I am a firefighter (hence the name, obviously) and no they don't test for AS. They screen for cocaine, MJ, heroin... things like that. I was on juice at my last physical...which included a drug test, and I am still working and drug screen came back negative. Anybody that thinks different, I challenge you to prove it. The only exception is if a specific department has adopted a policy to test for AS for whatever reason, but as a rule I would say almost no departments check for AS. Believe opinions if you want, but I know this to be a fact.
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Howdy firefitr,
Just because your dept doesn't check for AAS's doesn't mean his dept will not test for them. Plain and simple, this is all I'm saying. Wouldn't you love having to explain to your S.O. why you lost your job just because someone told you that they didn't check for AAS's when they do and you didn't plan for it and you got fired over it? I dought that another fire dept would give you a job after getting fired for failing a drug test.
Just my $.02.
Stengun
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Besides, you won't lose your job anyways because in most departments when you are caught on drugs all you have to do is say you have a problemand request counseling and they cannot fire you. It's a loophole that is a joke in the fire service.
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I have bros in over 50 fire depts all over the country, and none of them are tested for AS, just your regular recreational drugs, so it's not just my department. I said there may be departments that do it, but if so it is EXTREMELY rare. The only ones that would test would be ones that have had situations involving AS problems before (like on the job injuries and then docs trying to blame steroids or something like that). Do IO know every departments standard operating procedures? No, but i do know that there is not one dept that I have heard of that does it, and I do have a pretty broad knowledge of the departments. Federal firefighters (such as military firefighters and federal forestry firefighters) may fall into a different group, so I won't comment on them but the city, county, and state level firefighters are not tested.
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Howdy firefitr,
That's good to know. I didn't think about all the firemen being one big family. I know the ones around here all know each other even if the work 100 miles from each other.
I just didn't want someone to get jambed up in a drug test by thinking they don't test for AAS's. I know most jobs don't test, but a few do.
Stengun
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Sten,
I was a firefighter for 4 years in a large city and was never tested for AS. The amount of testing that you went through is nothing short of extreme!! And, I can now see where you are coming from.
As to the DOT basic test, it is not comprehensive in the least, which is what I was trying to illustrate. They do not even check for alcohol. I oversee all drug testing for our company and had a nice chat today with our contracted lab. The basic test we have our employees go through is much more thorough than the DOT. I was surprised to see how little they test for.
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Howdy MBaraso,
Stengun....Your a jerk off...Plain and simple
sign up for the armed services, get tested and see what happens.
Thanks for the compliment!
Been there done that. I've got a total of 7 years in the military. Combat vet w/ over 25 missions. I've been shot, stabbed w/ an icepick, cut 3X's w/ a knife, an burned my lt leg from a flash-bang grenade.
Experince.....Honduras '83, '84, '85; Costa Rica & Nicaragua '84 & '85; Egypt, Turkey, and Brazil in '87; Philippines, Korea, Kooloon, Saudia, Oman, Qatar, UAE in '88 & '89: Peru in '90. All the stuff in '89 & '90 was while I worked for Uncle Sam after I got out of the military. I can't hear much w/ my left ear due to gun fire, so I had to retire. Since I can't hear I can't get a job where you have to pass a hearing test.
Stengun
P.S. In Jan. '88, the DoD ruled AAS's a prohibited drug and started testing for it. I knew several people that got discharged w/ OTH discharges that tested + for AAS's. I don't know if they still test for AAS's but they did in '88.
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You must be a lefty. Earplugs don't do much good when you need to tell someone to get their as* the fuc* down, or hear them telling you. Earplugs or no, SMAWs and AT-4s will get you in the habit of saying "what?" quickly.
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lol...thats funny....I still have permanant "ringing" in my ears from all the weapons firing and demo goin off...I was with the Marines for 2 tours...got out in 89....we hardly ever wore those **** ear plugs....
I remember back in 88-89, the Marines were rumored to be testing for AAS. but only if the individuals CO thought it necessary on an individual basis...the Marines have a budget too....
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My friend was tested, but only after pinz and vials were found in his room and he denied using them. He also had a little bit of an anger problem.
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Howdy,
In early '88, I escorted two Marines from the Philippines to the Navy brig in Seattle, WA that had been popped for AAS's in a piss test.
Nope, I'm a righty. My left ear faced to enemy. We used mainly used MP-5SD w/ a suppressor, but they usually used AK-47's. I have a little hearing in the lower ranges w/ my left ear, but nothing in the higher ranges. My right ear is just below avg. in all ranges.
Stengun
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I work for the 9th largest fire dept. in the nation, its in our union by-laws what will be tested. They cannot test for it unless they have reason and its specified. Also before this was in our by-laws. NOONE ever was tested for AAS. I have seen some scrawny rookies come in and within 2 years look like monsters. I have heard even some of our chiefs talk and joke about someone being on steriods. Its just to expensive
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