Packing on more mass...cycle proposal

[GymDog]

I'm sitting about 243, and I was going to run a Prop/Slin/Anavar/Masteron/Winstrol cycle in late Fall 2004, however, I think I'd like to pack on some more mass, and I've never tried Deca. I never tried Deca because of it's long detection time, and also I've had some progesterone gyno symptoms with Fina, so I think Deca would not be something I'd want to mess with (at least right now). Instead, I was thinking of running Durabolin, the shorter ester phenylpropionate "sister" of Deca, because of its shorter half-life, if gyno symptoms cae on, I could stop using it immediately to avoid any permanent side-effects. So here's my proposed cycle:

1-4, 16iu's/ED Humulin-R
9-12
1-12 150mg/ED Test. Propionate
1-8 50mg/ED Anavar
1-12 50mg/ED Durabolin
9-12 50mg/ED Winstrol

1-12 10mg/ED Miotolan
1-15 20mg/ED Nolvadex
1-12 200mg/ED Vitamin B6
1-15 .5mg Liquidex
13-15 Clomid PCT

Comments? Suggestions?

[PT]

thats alot of testprop a week

[ElWrightyJr]

if you want to pack some more mass i would take out the Prop and take some Test E 250mg EOD

[GymDog]

if you want to pack some more mass i would take out the Prop and take some Test E 250mg EOD

LOL, not to be a dick, bro, but T. Propionate and T. Enanthate are the SAME HORMONES. The only diference is their esters, or simply pur, their half-lives. And BTW, I ran T. Enanthate for my first cycle, and the next four cycles after that I used nothing but Propionate, because 1.)stable hormone levels, 2.)I liked the ED injects, and 3.)it's in/out of my system quicker. It takes me 4 weeks to notice Enanthate kicking in, whereas Prop is rocking me after Day 3! Trust me, from experience, Prop is my first choice when it comes to what test to run.

[GymDog]

thats alot of testprop a week

I tried 1400mg/wk my last cycle for the first 9 days, but backed it down to 1050mg/wk due to bad sides (dangerously high BP). I've found 150mg/ED for me is the magic number...

Does anyone have any experiences with Durabolin?

[Da Bull]

I'm sitting about 243, and I was going to run a Prop/Slin/Anavar/Masteron/Winstrol cycle in late Fall 2004, however, I think I'd like to pack on some more mass, and I've never tried Deca. I never tried Deca because of it's long detection time, and also I've had some progesterone gyno symptoms with Fina, so I think Deca would not be something I'd want to mess with (at least right now). Instead, I was thinking of running Durabolin, the shorter ester phenylpropionate "sister" of Deca, because of its shorter half-life, if gyno symptoms cae on, I could stop using it immediately to avoid any permanent side-effects. So here's my proposed cycle:

1-4, 16iu's/ED Humulin-R
9-12
1-12 150mg/ED Test. Propionate
1-8 50mg/ED Anavar
1-12 50mg/ED Durabolin
9-12 50mg/ED Winstrol

1-12 10mg/ED Miotolan
1-15 20mg/ED Nolvadex
1-12 200mg/ED Vitamin B6
1-15 .5mg Liquidex
13-15 Clomid PCT

Comments? Suggestions?

Cycle looks fine to me bro...happy growing!!!

[kingofmasters]

I'm sitting about 243, and I was going to run a Prop/Slin/Anavar/Masteron/Winstrol cycle in late Fall 2004, however, I think I'd like to pack on some more mass, and I've never tried Deca. I never tried Deca because of it's long detection time, and also I've had some progesterone gyno symptoms with Fina, so I think Deca would not be something I'd want to mess with (at least right now). Instead, I was thinking of running Durabolin, the shorter ester phenylpropionate "sister" of Deca, because of its shorter half-life, if gyno symptoms cae on, I could stop using it immediately to avoid any permanent side-effects. So here's my proposed cycle:

1-4, 16iu's/ED Humulin-R
9-12
1-12 150mg/ED Test. Propionate
1-8 50mg/ED Anavar
1-12 50mg/ED Durabolin
9-12 50mg/ED Winstrol

1-12 10mg/ED Miotolan
1-15 20mg/ED Nolvadex
1-12 200mg/ED Vitamin B6
1-15 .5mg Liquidex
13-15 Clomid PCT

Comments? Suggestions?

Anavar/winstrol/Masteron is overkill!
3 DHT derivatives will not lead to any benefit (since they all sort of have the same characteristics)!

[Da Bull]

Anavar/winstrol/Masteron is overkill!
3 DHT derivatives will not lead to any benefit (since they all sort of have the same characteristics)!

Are you just commenting on his idea that he changed?Or am I missing something here?

[GymDog]

bump for any Durabolin (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) experiences?

[Angelis]

Just to inform you there Gymdog not to seem like an ass but there is a difference other than the esters and there half-lives.... With a finished product Prop has 84mg Test per
100mg of oil while enth has only 72mg

... not to seem like an dick or anything bro

[GymDog]

Just to inform you there Gymdog not to seem like an ass but there is a difference other than the esters and there half-lives.... With a finished product Prop has 84mg Test per
100mg of oil while enth has only 72mg

... not to seem like an dick or anything bro

I'm aware of that, but look at my post a little closer...ElWrightlyJR said I would acheive MORE mass by switching to Enanthate instead of Propionate. First of all, they're the same friggin' hormone! Testosterone is testosterone is testosterone. The only differences are the ester chains and release times. Yes, you are right, Propionate does give you more test/ml than Enanthate, because of ester weight. The point you were trying to make falls in "esters and their half-lives" category. The ester chain is longer with Enanthate, and therefore heavier, so some of the volume is taken up by the extra atoms attached to the hormone. ElWrightyJR said I'd see better gains of 250mg EOD of Enanthate? 250mg/EOD roughly equates to 750mg/wk. 750mg would equate to 540mg of the base hormone, testosterone. I've taken 1050mg/wk of Propionate in past cycles, and 1050mg equates to 882mg of raw testosterone...you do the math.

[kingofmasters]

Are you just commenting on his idea that he changed?Or am I missing something here?

Yes ---> I'm a total idiot sometime