yes thanks i found it - i have never had much luck when i did take creatine- made my stomach sick more then anything else... phosagan GH seemed to work the best put some size on quick but stopped real quick after bout five pounds added to my weight and it did nothing else... so this stuff will always keep my veins popping out to right? also i know this is a creatine forum, but ever hear of elite k ? any good? thanks