Taking clen with ashtma inhaler (epinephrine)?

[ascendant]

Well, never took clen before, but getting ready to, and i do actually have asthma which i know it treats. I take an over-the-counter asthma inhaler, which has the active chemical epinephrine in it as it's asthma treatment (a bronchodilator). If I do need to take the inhaler while on clen., should the two be ok together despite both of them being bronchodilators or could this cause some kind of conflict within my nervous system? Couldn't imagine there being a problem saying as many people take more than one kind of asthma med, but with the strength of clen I just want to make sure it won't react with the epinephrine in some adverse way.

Thanks,
AC

[BigChris]

I can't give you a proper answer to you question because I am not 100% sure of the parmacological interaction between bronchodilators...but I can assure you that you will be putting a heavy strain on your heart by 'combining' those two.

My personal opinion would be to leave the clen in the container.

[Myka]

Ive had asthma...and IMO if your taking it as often as it sounds like...you shouldnt take clen...sound dangerous to me JMO

[brutesinme]

be safe, talk to your doctor

[SS1476]

Im no expert, but it does
sound a little risky. I would
also talk to your doc, if u can.

[ascendant]

i know very well my doctor would say i shouldn't be taking clen in the first place. i'll see if there's someone in the medical field a little more open-minded that i can get the info from. i only use the asthma inhaler once a night before bed, so it's not that frequent, and i'm just figuring since it's over the counter, the drug interactions should be minimal. i'll try to look into it but if anyone knows for sure on here and can let me know, i'd appreciate it.

thanks,
AC

[getnlarge18]

You shouldn't be taking that INHALER in the first place! I'm surprised that they haven't pulled Primatene Mist (epinephrine inhalers) from the shelves yet. There have been SO many cases of deaths related to their use. Epinephrine binds non-selectively to Beta receptors, which means that it not only activates the B-receptors in the lung for bronchodilation but also the B-receptors in the HEART. In my opinion (I've had 4 years of graduate pharmacy school), I would see a doctor about getting on a REAL inhaler. Prescription inhalers selectively inhibit B-receptors, so you'll have fewer cardiac side effects...MUCH safer! Definitely do NOT use clen with an epi inhaler. That's asking for a heart attack.

[Red Monster]

I dont really know how over the counter inhalers work, or what the negative side effects are, but I do know that Primatene inhaler saved my life the other day when I had a rare asthma attack, so Im glad they're still available.

[Chookster]

You shouldn't be taking that INHALER in the first place! I'm surprised that they haven't pulled Primatene Mist (epinephrine inhalers) from the shelves yet. There have been SO many cases of deaths related to their use. Epinephrine binds non-selectively to Beta receptors, which means that it not only activates the B-receptors in the lung for bronchodilation but also the B-receptors in the HEART. In my opinion (I've had 4 years of graduate pharmacy school), I would see a doctor about getting on a REAL inhaler. Prescription inhalers selectively inhibit B-receptors, so you'll have fewer cardiac side effects...MUCH safer! Definitely do NOT use clen with an epi inhaler. That's asking for a heart attack.

thats good info to know...great info

[ascendant]

thanks for the info gettnlarge. i've heard a lot of controversial issues regarding the over-the-counter inhaler as well but never knew if the findings were true or just hype. since i don't have health insurance, it was just much more affordable to me. i'll schedule an appointment with my doctor asap and try to get on a better inhaler before i start the clen.

thanks again,
AC

[getnlarge18]

ascendant -- Your doctor will most likely give you an albuterol inhaler. Make sure you let the pharmacy know that you would like a generic (they'd probably give you one anyway)...I believe a generic albuterol inhaler is only around $11 even without insurance. That inhaler is only for rescue use during an asthma attack...if they decide to give you a preventative inhaler as well, that'll probably be quite a bit more expensive...but (and this is only my opinion, NOT a recommendation so please take it for what it's worth) clenbuterol was originally used as a medication for asthma and I know that it helps mine quite a bit. It wouldn't hurt to mention it to your doctor or pharmacist if you're comfortable talking to him/her about it. The more they know the better they can help you.

[ascendant]

in response to your last post 'getnlarge', first of all, thanks again. secondly, i had no idea albuterol was only around $11 or I would've been taking that instead of the epinephrine. i'll have to ask the doctor for that kind. most the ones they try to recommend to me they tell me are up in the $50-60 range without a prescription, but I think it's the preventative kinds they usually try to get me on. but if i don't need it, i'd rather avoid taking it, so i only need one for emergencies anyway. good to know for all the asthmatics out there!

let our people grow,
AC

[RMBros]

Since clen is used for what you're using the inhaler for, it should handle the asthma before you need the inhaler.

Surprised you can take it right before bed - it makes me all jittery.

Do get an albuterol inhaler. They may also reccomend a preventative inhaler like flovent, but they're usually a little more expensive.

I'd try not to mix the clen and the inhaler, even if you get an albuterol inhaler. Watch mixing with asprin too, you can get the effect of an ECA stack if you aren't careful.

[Myka]

preventative inhaler like flovent

try to avoid this...side affects include weight gain...my brother is pretty dependant on these and he used to be a bb but cant keep his weight down now...(btw the evidence isnt exclusive to him)

[stupidhippo]

You shouldn't be taking that INHALER in the first place! I'm surprised that they haven't pulled Primatene Mist (epinephrine inhalers) from the shelves yet. There have been SO many cases of deaths related to their use. Epinephrine binds non-selectively to Beta receptors, which means that it not only activates the B-receptors in the lung for bronchodilation but also the B-receptors in the HEART. In my opinion (I've had 4 years of graduate pharmacy school), I would see a doctor about getting on a REAL inhaler. Prescription inhalers selectively inhibit B-receptors, so you'll have fewer cardiac side effects...MUCH safer! Definitely do NOT use clen with an epi inhaler. That's asking for a heart attack.

so true...

[ascendant]

well, seems 20mcg isn't nearly enough to be an effective treatment for asthma and i haven't seen my doctor yet to get albuterol, so i had to take a puff of my epinephrine inhaler last night. obviously i'm still alive, though i guess it was cause i was only on 20mcg while i needed it.

today i took 40mcg and yet again tonight, my asthma is bothering me. don't have much of a choice but to use my epinephrine again. hopefully i'll be getting an albuterol inhaler on tues., but you guys think it'll be ok to keep using the epi. till then? i know it's not the greatest idea, but i'm just figuring people take clen along with cytomel, and sometimes even ephedrine, coffee, asprin, etc., so i'm thinking since i'm only on clen and using the epi. for a few days there shouldn't be a problem, right? any help would be greatly appreciated. from what i've tried to research so far, it seems like these two would just compete over receptors and my heart would get extra stimulation from the epi., but at this point the clen shouldn't be putting much stress on my heart anyway. let me know what you guys think. thanks.

[stupidhippo]

i still find it shocking that u would use epi for asthma these days... but to answer ur question I think u will be ok...

[ascendant]

i know hippo, epi is a horrible med. if i had known how bad it was, i would've come off it a long time ago. i didn't start hearing all the stories of it killing people until the past few months, and even then i wasn't sure how much was truth and how much was just rumors, so i kinda blew it off. i've heard way too much negative fb about it now though to NOT come off it. hopefully i'll have an albuterol on tues. i just don't get why they can't have a safer over-the-counter med for asthma?

[ACKBAR]

When i was on higher doses of clen my asthma never really bothered me

[ascendant]

right "ackbar", that's what i'm hoping for, but the 40mcg still hasn't done it yet. i should've known better than to start the clen before i got the albuterol inhaler, but i just can't stand cutting cycles and want to get it done and over with. how high of a dose did it take you till the clen started effectively treating the asthma? so far, the clen is just giving me a continuous headache.

[ACKBAR]

I was about 100mcg/day when I didn't need the inhalers.
I used to use albuterol as a rescue inhaler and advair diskus for prevention, but after not using them for so long my asthma has improved greatly.
I swear the inhalers offer no room for improvement, you just become dependant.

[stupidhippo]

the thing is that clen and albuterol have the same effector mechanism.. only albuterol is inhaled... if ur asthma is really bad u should think like a combination of meds: corticosteroid (pulmicort + b2 agonist as needed). The present medical information do suggest that asthma medication should be taken (the b2 agonist only as needed).. maybe ur improvement is due to other factors.. dunno.. depends on how bad is the asthma

[stupidhippo]

the albuterol only widens the airways it doesnt really treat the asthma while the corticosteroid can control the inflammation etc.... I think u should really consult ur doctor..

[ascendant]

thanks for all the info guys, really appreciate the help. as far as a corticosteroid, i had been on one of those for a while when i was younger, but the thing is the doctor had me taking that 2x a day (1x morning, 1x night), then another preventative inhaler along with it 2x a day as well (1x morning, 1x night), so i was taking 4x of inhalers a day compared to once (if that) a day on an "emergency only" inhaler. i'd rather take what i can the least frequently. besides, it's no big deal to me. i don't get exercised induced asthma or anything like that. i only get it when i'm very very sick or when i go to bed at night (allergies), so i rarely need more than 1 puff a day. for some that get asthma often, i'm sure it's great, but to me it's just too much meds for too small of a problem. albuterol will be fine for me. sure the cortico info will be very usefull for others though, so thanks again.

[stupidhippo]

ok then... I think albuterol or similat b2 inhaler will be good.. U would think though that clen would help also.... but yeah,, get that inhaler and ditch the epi... they work through the same receptors anyway. Epi only has a lot more side effects..

[Dru]

Don't do it! Better safe than sorry!