Junior Member
i ordered two bottles of the old Xenadrine formula from ephedrineforsale.com and its been almost 3 weeks and no shipment and I paid for faster shipping, they wont return my phone calls and emails and now their mailbox to their voicemail is full??? Anyone have an experience with these guys???
Associate Member
i have not but i do know great site for ephederine, pm me!!
Anabolic Member
yes you got ripped bro...the old formula is ilegal, and no one is selling it online anymore...at least legally
Anabolic Member
call the credit card company........
Junior Member
well they are old formulas leftover that expire next month but i think i might have, according to their website, my order was shipped
Member
i thought the ban on ephedrine got over turned? i got a bottle of yellow swarm like a month ago.
Banned
ephedrine is still legal as a cough suppressant
Member
SALT LAKE CITY, April 14 -- A federal judge Thursday struck down the FDA ban on supplements containing ephedra, the once-popular weight-loss aid that was yanked from the market one year ago after it was linked to dozens of deaths.
The judge ruled in favor of a Utah supplement company that challenged the Food and Drug Administration's ban. Nutraceutical International Corp. claimed that ephedra has been safely consumed for hundreds of years.
A U.S. district judge struck down the federal ban on ephedra, the weight-loss aid that was removed from the market last year after it was linked to 155 deaths. Nutraceutical, a Utah company that challenged the ban, said in its lawsuit that ephedra "has been safely consumed" for hundreds of years and is a food, not a drug. (Steven Senne -- AP)
Industry groups said supplements that included ephedra were once used by 12 million people. Last year's ban of ephedra was the first such outlawing of a dietary supplement.
Research shows that ephedra -- an amphetamine-like herb -- can speed heart rate and constrict blood vessels even in seemingly healthy people but that it is particularly risky for those with heart disease or high blood pressure or who engage in strenuous exercise. Among the deaths linked to the substance was that of Baltimore Orioles pitching prospect Steve Bechler, who collapsed and died during spring training two years ago.
The judge's decision was seen by some anti-ephedra advocates as falling short of an outright reversal of the ban, though a Nutraceutical lawyer declared flatly, "The ban is gone." The company said it is too soon to say whether it will put the product back on shelves.
The FDA was evaluating the ruling, but Health and Human Services Department spokesman William Pierce said the agency "made the right decision from the standpoint of science and our statutory authority." He added, "This is exactly when the dietary supplement law should apply."
Health officials and Justice Department lawyers are examining the ruling to determine the next step, Pierce said.
U.S. District Judge Tena Campbell agreed with Nutraceutical that ephedra was wrongly being regulated by the FDA as a drug and not a food. She said a 1994 federal dietary supplement law places more restrictive rules on the FDA in determining whether to ban foods as opposed to drugs.
The judge said the law requires the FDA to prove that a dietary supplement is harmful, rather than requiring the manufacturer to prove it is safe, as is required with drugs.
"The [FDA's] statement that a safe level cannot be determined is simply not sufficient to meet the government's burden," Campbell wrote.
Her order prevents the FDA from stopping Nutraceutical from selling its product and sends the case back to the FDA for a determination of what are safe and dangerous levels of ephedrine, ephedra's active ingredient.
Nutraceutical President Bruce R. Hough said the lawsuit had little to do with ephedra and more to do with forcing the FDA to follow the rules Congress set down for it.
"This is a great affirmation for the system, that the court goes back and says, 'This is Congress's intent,' " he said.
Ephedra opponents said the language in the order applies to only a specific, lower-dosage segment of the market. The ruling's final page prohibits the FDA from enforcing the ban on Nutraceutical's supplements containing 10 milligrams or less of ephedra.
Ten milligrams per day was the dosage of Nutraceutical's products.
"No one -- not the FDA, the supplement industry, nor the public -- has been satisfied by how ephedra has been regulated," said Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), who helped write the 1994 law that also deregulated the supplement industry. "Millions of people have used the product with satisfaction, but there is no doubt the product has had some serious problems," he said.
Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), a frequent ephedra critic who worked for the ban, said the ruling underlined the need for "a mandatory and uniform system of reporting adverse health events that result from use of certain dietary supplements."
Junior Member
well these arent newly made bottles, these were left over bottles of Xenadrine that expire next month....their website has it and i was surprised myself when i saw it but of course they rape you with the price, almost double from its original price...75 bucks a bottle!!!!!!!!!!
Member
search yellow swarm 25mgs E 300mgs c i think they were $39
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
Yes.
Look up "vasapro". Thats what you want.
BE CAREFUL WITH THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!
Junior Member
old Xenadrine worked soo well for me years ago, if it aint broke dont fix it u know!!
Junior Member
what is in vasapro??? how does it compare to the old xenadrine????
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
just trust me, its what you want and the cheapest too.
25mg ephedrine
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
fuk xendadrine and ripped fuel etc etc, vasapro is the best/cheapest product if you want ephedrine.
Banned
Originally Posted by Skullsmasher
vasopro or vasapro????
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
post the link
Anabolic Member
Next time just go to the gas station. It's next to the register.
Junior Member
the gas station has the ephedrine hcl with guafensisn...is vasapro just epehdrine hcl alone?
Associate Member
yes!!
New Member
i can buy stackers with ephedrine at the local gas station. they are also at some party stores.
Associate Member
whats the difference between
ephedrine hcl with guafensisn and just epehdrine hcl.... when i say difference I mean reaction to the body.
Member
probably nothing bad this is from drugs.com
Guaifenesin is an expectorant. Guaifenesin loosens phlegm and increases the lubrication of your lungs allowing for a productive cough and decreased chest congestion.
No serious side effects are expected from guaifenesin therapy. Stop taking guaifenesin and seek emergency medical attention if you experience an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of your throat; swelling of your lips, tongue, or face; or hives).
• Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to take guaifenesin and talk to your doctor if you experience
· dizziness or headache,
· a rash, or
· nausea, vomiting, or stomach upset.
• Side effects other than those listed here may also occur. Talk to your doctor about any side effect that seems unusual or that is especially bothersome.
Associate Member
wow yummy more sides thats all we need!!!LOL
Member
haha
yeah just go get vasopro without it your are usign the internet right now so buy it
Junior Member
what is the best site that sells vasopro with fast shipping....
Member
just google it
Banned
your wallet wasnt the only thing they ripped....lol
They bent you over and ripped something else...
Call credit card company...and yr posse...have them shoot something up....
When someone rapes me, I rape them back....
Junior Member
yeah i figured i got ripped off, i mean xenadrine was stopped being made years ago so how the hell could this site have bottles left over....well, my credit card company will reverse the charge, specially when they find out this was from a compnay based out of the US...
Junior Member
I'll keep you updated, but learn from me, if its too good to be true it is!
Associate Member
the constitution prohibits the passing of ex-post facto laws, thus any ephedrine products manufactured before the ban went into effect are still legal to obtain and possess, the same holds true for automatic weapons created before 1986 and assault rifles created before 1994 and after 2004 just to name a few comparable examples. Just because a law was passed that makes it illegal now, does not mean that you can be punished for previously manufactured LEGAL products............ I just wanted to correct a common misnomer that I see all the time in these forums.
Member
you can still get pre ban stacker 2 so why not xenadrine.
Junior Member
yea this makes a lot of sense..thanks very much on clarifying this, so maybe i will still get the old xenadrine shipped, who knows, either way, im reverseing the charges for making me wait liek this and not resposnding, very shady
Also where can you still get old stacker 2's from???the only site i found for the old xenadrine was www.ephedrineforsale.com
Member
google "stacker 2 for sale" i just found 50 sites
Junior Member
OMG...one site has original stacker 2's for $140 bucks a bottle??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????? Holy shit!! They are trying to rape people here. but out of the 50 sites u mentioned, only one has the original formula, the rest are marketing google words that lead to to the "ephedra free" formulas instead...
Junior Member
To my surprise, the two bottles of olde formula Xenadrine arrived today?? I cant belive it!!!! Bottles were sealed and everythgin, it was shipped from Canada??? Anyway, figure i let u guys know..
Member
you still got ripped on the price tho but i guess your lucky
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