My 8 Month Plan!

**dr_skier** · 10-22-2006, 01:05 PM

What do you guys think? Please no dbol bridge flaming as i'm travelling for the whole of dec and part of jan with little access to a gym. I need to retain most of my muscle somehow! Also hey the burst of sex drive while on the 10mg am dbol is nice too.

nov 1st pct (from my current 7weeker)
pct - 5 weeks (hcg/nolva/clomid/aromison)
Nov 21st- begin 10mg am dbol

bon voyage (costa rica/panama 35days)

jan 15-25 5mg am dbol
jan 15-feb03 clomid 50mg/day - recover any even remote slight supression
**the jan 15-feb15 break is taken so i can train hard for a month without any aas to get back any last muscle fiber i may have lost while travelling, no point on starting my blitz cycle at a deficiet.

dnp b4 cycle (200-400mg/ten days) - to utilize the anabolic rebound
blitz cycle 5 weeks feb15-march22
test 1000mg/wk
eq 1000mg/wk
tren 1000mg/wk
t3 75mcg/day
pct
dbol at 10mg am with pct

dnp b4 cycle

may15-aug 15
test 250mg e5d
primo 250mg e5d
t3 25mcg till aug 1
anavar 4 weeks on 4 weeks off @ 50mg/day
hcg 250iu fri/sat through out.
pct

** purpose of this cycle is to maintain being a lean, hard machine throughout the summer months while not killing my system, hence the lower and milder compounds.

Fall 07 time - off / Winter Bulker begins Jan 1 08?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-22-2006, 01:10 PM

Whats your stats cycle experience?

IMO Your cycle is all over the place.

**V_Vandetta** · 10-22-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Whats your stats cycle experience?

IMO Your cycle is all over the place.

Same here it seems to be all over.. as hellmask asked

AGE
training
cycle

Also i cant see where 5mg of dbol will do anything but keep you supprersed also with a short active life you will be up and down

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-22-2006, 01:25 PM

firstly so what if you cant get in a gym. Do press ups,pull ups, make some weights up whatever you need to do to train.Why bridge with Dbol when there are compounds out there that are 100X more suitable.If your going to bridge at least use a dose that will work. Your cycle is horrible IMO. It looks like you wrote some AS names on a dice and rolled it ten times.

**dr_skier** · 10-22-2006, 01:26 PM

age 23, weight 245 (carb depleted), bf 12%
training: currently cutting, lots of cardio, current lifts - Max bench 405x2
cycle history: my 4th cycle currently.

ya i was thinking perhaps that break for the month instead of messing around with 5mg would be a good idea...

As for my cycle being all over the map refrain from looking at the dbol while travelling, just comment on my blitz and summer runs.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-22-2006, 01:33 PM

EQ is pointless for 5 weeks IMO I would use NPP. What test and tren esters? 2nd cycle primo dose Is way low and again which test?

**V_Vandetta** · 10-22-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by dr_skier

just comment on my blitz and summer runs.dnp b4 cycle (200-400mg/ten days) - to utilize the anabolic rebound
blitz cycle 5 weeks feb15-march22
test 1000mg/wk WHAT TEST E C
eq 1000mg/wk NO MATTER WHAT DOSE eq needs to be run for 12 weeks or better
tren 1000mg/wk I HOPE YOU MEAN TREN E NOT A have ever run tren before
t3 75mcg/day FOR HOW LONG
pct
dbol at 10mg am with pct THIS IS JUST CRAZY PCT MEANS COMING OFF

dnp b4 cycle HAVE YOU EVER USED DNP before / not a good idea POST cycleIMO been there tryed that not good responding .. but thats me

may15-aug 15
test 250mg e5d
primo 250mg e5d
t3 25mcg till aug 1
anavar 4 weeks on 4 weeks off @ 50mg/day
hcg 250iu fri/sat through out. THIS IS A NO NO in my book Hcg should be run no more than 7 - 10 days

Bro in truth These dosages are way to high for someone in there 4th cycle also why plan for a cycle and base it off of a previous one when there are lots of things that can happen inbetween ...i.e life style changes catching a cold, flu stick with one cycle at a time .. also there is no methion of a A'I like letro or a dex .. If this were me I would go back to the drawing board and consetrate on one cycel at a time

**guest589745** · 10-22-2006, 01:40 PM

Ive heard of people "blitz" cycling, you guys do know thats what type this is at least right? Even if you don't agree with it.

Short periods of high doses followed by a cruise for the same amount of time then another short cycle burst, thast usually how it goes.

Not for a newbie at all and has its risks/benefits.

**dr_skier** · 10-22-2006, 01:40 PM

when i said eq i ment NPP, as for the test and tren both prop and ace.

PerfectBeast the bridge i'm going with there is one that many people have commented on as being non-suppressive to the hpta.

which bridge would you reccomend?

You say my cycle is horrible, well i've talked about a bridge, a 5 week blitz and my summer cycle, which one do you feel is horrible. the second summer cycle is Test E and I am thinking of either using 500mg/primo or using eq, i just want something in the summer that is less harsh on my body.

**guest589745** · 10-22-2006, 01:42 PM

You could run EQ if its prop estered.

**guest589745** · 10-22-2006, 01:43 PM

1000 tren is pretty crazy still. like 700 tops IMO.

**V_Vandetta** · 10-22-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Ive heard of people "blitz" cycling, you guys do know thats what type this is at least right? Even if you don't agree with it.

Short periods of high doses followed by a cruise for the same amount of time then another short cycle burst, thast usually how it goes.

Not for a newbie at all and has its risks/benefits.

yes bro blitz cycles are old and very out dated ....IMO and even than you need to run the right compounds ... But I agree with ya Not for a newbie at all and has its risks/benefits.... I understand where he is coming from and I think its all wrong JMO

**guest589745** · 10-22-2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

yes bro blitz cycles are old and very out dated ....IMO and even than you need to run the right compounds ... But I agree with ya Not for a newbie at all and has its risks/benefits.... I understand where he is coming from and I think its all wrong JMO

Yea I just wasnt sure if everyone had nver heard of that type of cycling and was basing their opinions on "typical" cycling (1-12 weeks straight).

I will actually give it a shot just to see how it goes for me.

**dr_skier** · 10-22-2006, 01:46 PM

The DNP is for before cycle not while in pct.

The dbol is used to lessen the crash in conjunction with my pct drugs. My clomid will be run out longer then the low dose dbol.

I have used Tren A at 700mg/week before so i know how my body reacts.

I have also used tren in 3 of my cycles.

as for the hcg, many many people advocate running a low dose e3d, e5d or fr/sat of each week during the cycle to prevent testicular atrophy in the first place. That protocal is nothing new at all and at doses that do not desensitise the ledyg cells.

Sorry the first cycle test is a test400 blend with prop and Enathate.

as for AI's I'll run my usuall dose of aromoisan 25mg/day for the first cycle and pct and for the second i'll probably use .5mg/arimidex ed throughout.

**dr_skier** · 10-22-2006, 01:49 PM

it's a five week blitz because i want to use it as a bulker. I dont have the time to run a nice 3 month bulker and be in good shape before the summer. I also want to get back and then some any muscle i loose on my trip. Hence the reason for the blitz. I could do a massive bulker then cutter but i'd honestly rather not be on for that long, I'd also rather cut with no aas or be still cutting with the mild cycle.

**V_Vandetta** · 10-22-2006, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Yea I just wasnt sure if everyone had nver heard of that type of cycling and was basing their opinions on "typical" cycling (1-12 weeks straight).

I will actually give it a shot just to see how it goes for me.

To be honest I have tryed somthing very close to blitz cycles .. and really what it comes down to is the short cycle methiode .. And the key is running the right compounds ... Now they can work But when I tryed It was a nightmare ... But in all I get whate he is trying to do ... with running the dnp pre cycle trying to get the ideal prime by dropping fat and keeping muscle .. than run the blitz.... which 1000mg every week would seem a lot but when looking at the short cycle and how it works the right dosing is key to maximze gains .. and this A learn from reading marcus300 post and talking with him ... and thus far on key .....

So what he has laid out is off and to be honest should not even be considered IMo with only a few cycles behind him

SVTMuscle* · 10-22-2006, 01:57 PM

Wicked confused

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-22-2006, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by dr_skier

when i said eq i ment NPP, as for the test and tren both prop and ace. OK this is not bad

PerfectBeast the bridge i'm going with there is one that many people have commented on as being non-suppressive to the hpta. You have been given the wrong info. It will supress (maybe not totally) thus making it pointless to run PCT if you carry on supressing anyway

which bridge would you reccomend? GH,IGF,SLIN, or cruise on low dose test or all of the above.

You say my cycle is horrible, well i've talked about a bridge, a 5 week blitz and my summer cycle, which one do you feel is horrible. the second summer cycle is Test E and I am thinking of either using 500mg/primo or using eq, i just want something in the summer that is less harsh on my body.

Test E and primo or EQ is fine. The reason I think the cycle is bad as outlined is mainly due to the bridging and the use of DNP during a very catabolic time. Maybe talk to Marcus about short cycles he really knows his stuff. This reminds me of cycles I have seen in books that are 5-10 yrs old. Just concentrate on the first part for now. Are you competing in the near future?

**guest589745** · 10-22-2006, 02:03 PM

yea me personally, I would throw out the DNP, T3 and PRIMO (Unless you have tried it and love it). I just don't want to mess with those.

I would blitz like this:

1-6
IGF-1 LR3 60mcg PWO
Dbol 75mg ED
NPP 150mg ED
Drostanolone Propionate: 100-150mg ED
(Maybe tren Acetate 75mg ED with some cabergoline)

7-12:Cruise on 250mg test approx/ get bloodwork

13-18:
LR3 IGF-1 60 mcg PWO
Winstrol 50mg ED
Boldenone Propionate 150mg ED
+1 fast acting compound

Id run GH the whole time if I could afford it.

Cruise for however long to clear the compounds then PCT./bloodwork

**V_Vandetta** · 10-22-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

yea me personally, I would throw out the DNP, T3 and PRIMO (Unless you have tried it and love it). I just don't want to mess with those.

I would blitz like this:

1-6
IGF-1 LR3 60mcg PWO
Dbol 75mg ED
NPP 150mg ED
Drostanolone Propionate: 100-150mg ED
(Maybe tren Acetate 75mg ED with some cabergoline)

7-12:Cruise on 250mg test approx

13-18:
LR3 IGF-1 60 mcg PWO
Winstrol 50mg ED
Boldenone Propionate 150mg ED
+1 fast acting compound

Cruise for however long to clear the compounds then PCT.

see now that dont look to bad what would be the other... +1 fast acting compound..? also you know that Htpa will be suppressed even on the cruise .. or dam near shut down ... unless you are one of the lucky ones that will recover .... but I am no prince ..running long cycles 20-25 weeks or better cruiseing than on to the next

**guest589745** · 10-22-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

see now that dont look to bad what would be the other... +1 fast acting compound..? also you know that Htpa will be suppressed even on the cruise .. or dam near shut down ... unless you are one of the lucky ones that will recover .... but I am no prince ..running long cycles 20-25 weeks or better cruiseing than on to the next

Might as well cruise sicne you wont haev enough time to PCT really and it will be less harsh on your HPTA to just keep it off completely other than off/on/off/on dont you think? Im not sure about the actual damage done to your HPTA when going on/off/on/off but I am assuming you might as well get it over with and keep cruising in between blitzes.

The one other fast acting compound? Whatever you choose, try something different though, form the last blitz. Any prop/phenylprop/acetate ester (Or no ester) I guess.

**V_Vandetta** · 10-22-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Might as well cruise sicne you wont haev enough time to PCT really and it will be less harsh on your HPTA to just keep it off completely other than off/on/off/on dont you think? Im not sure about the actual damage done to your HPTA when going on/off/on/off but I am assuming you might as well get it over with and keep cruising in between blitzes.

The one other fast acting compound? Whatever you choose, try something different though, form the last blitz. Any prop/phenylprop/acetate ester (Or no ester) I guess.

it's one of them things you have to try and see while getting B/W.. but in all I have had good things with long cycles and got the bad .( permadent HTPA damage) So its up to the person

**guest589745** · 10-22-2006, 02:21 PM

Yup, true.

**dr_skier** · 10-22-2006, 05:04 PM

Ok for now, for all arguements sake lets just focus on a nice short bulker that doesn't make me fat and bloated, followed by some time off, then jumping back on a nice mild cycle like the one i outlined from may15-aug15. I'd much prefer to do that as to be honest i've run LONG cycles before and i know my body and my body doens't recover well from them. That's why I want to run this blitz cause i can use some hard compounds and high doses and recover a lot better than if it were a 12weeker.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-22-2006, 05:36 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224569

Marcus's guide to short heavy cycles.

**ironaddict69** · 10-22-2006, 05:43 PM

wait dr skier you get a sex drive boost from dbol at 10 mg?

**dr_skier** · 10-22-2006, 07:36 PM

not a raging sex addict problem, but definatly a bounce in my step.

**ironaddict69** · 10-23-2006, 12:23 AM

hmm. thanks. im trying it soon. thats definitely a plus. i want a drug where im a raging sex addict lol

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-23-2006, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

hmm. thanks. im trying it soon. thats definitely a plus. i want a drug where im a raging sex addict lol

I wouldn't put to much faith in dbol....test maybe but not dbol.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-23-2006, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

hmm. thanks. im trying it soon. thats definitely a plus. i want a drug where im a raging sex addict lol

how about a stack of
Test E
Proviron
Melanotan II
Caber

makew sure you stock up on some decent porn before you commence!!

**ironaddict69** · 10-23-2006, 03:17 PM

yeah well my test is high, my thyroid and cortisol is low that why im not that horny anymore. my endos takin care of all of this though.

oh and beast...the caber sides are terrible for me.
proviron i will try though. (how do you pronounce it?)

what else dose melanotan do? i dont know the dosing or anythign else about it i already checked lion, but it just said it makes u tanner skin.

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