Might have to end cycle early...

[Knockout_Power]

Well, as shitty as it may be, it looks like I have to stop my first cycle after only 4 weeks (4 weeks dbol, 3rd week Test E 500/week) because I cant handle the pain that is coming from the Test E. Well, I can handle the pain, but its bad enough that I cant do any kind of leg workout which makes a cycle pretty useless.

This is too bad cause I invested a lot of time and even money (suppliments and food) to make sure things would be as suitable as possible for optimzed results. Besides the pain, Ive been really psyched about this cycle and actually feeling better as a whole with the strict diet Ive been on for the last 2 months.

I guess my only small chance of continuing is when my friends brother comes back from oversea's in 2 weeks. He is bringing himself and his brother some Sust 250 and he usually brings a little extra.

Is it ok to change substances a month into a cycle?

My other question would be proper PCT to come off such a short cycle. I have Letro, Clomid and Nolva.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

KOP

PS, thanx to everyone who helped me with questions up until this point. I will take a lot from this experience and use it towards my next cycle as well as to help others where I can.

[Knockout_Power]

Oh, the Test was UGL. Past batches have shown great results in others and mine was from a brand new batch.

[perfectbeast2001]

damn shame mate. swap for the sus no problems. I would stick with it till the sus arrives. Have you tried adding injectable B12 into the shots? That normally sorts it out..

[Knockout_Power]

yah, my last 3 shots were 1:1 with B12 and nothing. Tried massaging for 10 mins, tried heating pads and still a day after the shot Im limping around. 4-5 days before the pain goes away per injection.

[T3/T4 GSR]

it's your first time. It took me like 6 weeks to get used to the oil in my muscles. Ride it out and be a man.

[wes cst rydr]

damn....that bad!hope i never run into that batch!ive had quad pain but i just kept going.yours mustbe fvcked up to have to quit.good luck,maybe you can stick i t out till the other stuff gets there?

[Venomous Nemisis]

Not trying to sound like a dick but, SUCK IT UP
Seriously my last cycle was the most painful thing I have ever put myself through, but I got strong as an ox and put on some good weight
Good Luck

[evil pepsi]

Well, as shitty as it may be, it looks like I have to stop my first cycle after only 4 weeks (4 weeks dbol, 3rd week Test E 500/week) because I cant handle the pain that is coming from the Test E. Well, I can handle the pain, but its bad enough that I cant do any kind of leg workout which makes a cycle pretty useless.

This is too bad cause I invested a lot of time and even money (suppliments and food) to make sure things would be as suitable as possible for optimzed results. Besides the pain, Ive been really psyched about this cycle and actually feeling better as a whole with the strict diet Ive been on for the last 2 months.

I guess my only small chance of continuing is when my friends brother comes back from oversea's in 2 weeks. He is bringing himself and his brother some Sust 250 and he usually brings a little extra.

Is it ok to change substances a month into a cycle?

My other question would be proper PCT to come off such a short cycle. I have Letro, Clomid and Nolva.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

KOP

PS, thanx to everyone who helped me with questions up until this point. I will take a lot from this experience and use it towards my next cycle as well as to help others where I can.

maybe the ba level is too high in the test. have you tried adding more oil?

[axemurderer187]

Not trying to sound like a dick but, SUCK IT UP
Seriously my last cycle was the most painful thing I have ever put myself through, but I got strong as an ox and put on some good weight
Good Luck

haha, i cherish the bluntness of venoms post but I have to agree w him, suck it up and drive on... my last cycle sucked with the pain but I actually pysched myself out to like the pain... puts hair on your chest

[king6]

Try a different site. I have heard guys have absolute horrible pain in quads or glutes, but feels fine in delts or pecs, and vice versa.

[Knockout_Power]

Well, I appreciate all the feedback, even the ones stating that Im a pussy because hey, I like to be critisized. I will describe the pain a little more indepth just so we have an understanding. I have played hockey with major back spasms because my team was in the finals, Ive have my rotator cuff f'ed up in the first round of a wrestling tournament and still fought 2 more matches within 20hrs just cause I hate to give up and I generally like pain. So its not like Im talking about a little swelling that makes my little bum bum hurt... sniffle sniffle

My last quad injection is keeping me from even putting my shoe on. I cant even go through the movement of a squat with or without weight. Im still in the gym 4-5 times/week getting every other muscle group worked hoping that this pain will work itself out with each injection. I just dont want to end up with a massive upper body with little legs.

I dont mean to sound like a jerk, I honestly do appreciate the comments, they are keeping me going, but you can rule the "he's just a pussy" whining thing out cause that is not it at all. 2 hours ago I went ahead with todays injection so hopefully it gets better.

KOP

[Knockout_Power]

Try a different site. I have heard guys have absolute horrible pain in quads or glutes, but feels fine in delts or pecs, and vice versa.

I will try delts next week. Have not done an injection there yet as it would keep me from being able to work anything if the result is the same.

[rafael]

have you tried using a different muslce? like your delt maybe...split it between both your delts perhaps.

[Knockout_Power]

As in rotate between delts or split a single dose between delts?

[Maldorf]

sounds like too much solvent, either too much BA or BB or both. What is the concentration of the test E that you are using? I hope its not that test 400.

[rafael]

i split one dose between both

[Swiggy]

cant you just stick to glutes and delts? if you rotate thats 4 shots. and the amount of pain your talking about seems extreme. the most pain i ever get comes from my quad shots so i just avoid it as much as possible.

[evil pepsi]

probably too much ba. add equal parts sterile grapeseed oil and double your dose so you are getting full strength...

[BigNicky]

Hey Bud...I feel for ya...Been going thru the same crap with Test E 500mg week split between 2 shots...im doing my glutes. Ive been "sucking it up" for six weeks now...some worse than others ..half so bad i couldnt get my butt down to squat...The worst of it is not knowing if its an infection..Pain was worse than tearing my medialis..or a damn kindney stone. Feels like a softball is under my skin. The pain and swelling passes after 4 to 5 days. Im 45 and after lots of research and was looking forward to my first cycle..lets just say..Il never forget it. But today..im sticking myself again...gonna try boiling the crap first to see if I can get some of the alcohol out. I feel for ya...what seems to help me a little is to shoot after i get up...muscles relaxed...Heat the stuff up before shooting...Massage the crap out of it..I mean hard...then do the heating pad....then I try to do glute or leg work to keep the muscles working to spread the crap. Good luck to you ...your not alone..

[samcam]

Here's just another post of encouragement, ride it a little longer. I am going through the same thing. I'm on my second cycle week 5 and this is the most pain I have ever gone through in my life, I consider myself to have a very high tolerance for pain like yourself but this almost brings tears to my eyes.

My suggestion on leg day: you literally just have to lose your mind and say fuc* it! I did this two weeks ago and I almost had to be carried out of the gym and was in extreme agony for a week but I survived. Some shots are worse than others, you just have to decide how bad you want it.

[axemurderer187]

before I inject I start a hot shower, jab, then go right in the shower.. No soarness in the slightest when I do this..

Are you using a 1.5" pin for glutes? You want to make sure you go deep when injecting the glute.

My last cycle totally sucked with the pain bro but seriouisly, just ride it out. You will learn to atleast adapt with your pain and learn how to train knowing that you are going to be in pain. My shit hurt so bad last time I had to inject well before leg day because I knew it would be tough. Just be smart. You seem like a sharp kid.. You'll be fine and when your done with your cycle you will know for next time what/what not to order. I actually thought the pain was a good humbling experience for my first time.

I would also suggest a lab test. Your gear could be bunk or something else then what it's labeled.

Good luck and keep us posted.

[Knockout_Power]

sounds like too much solvent, either too much BA or BB or both. What is the concentration of the test E that you are using? I hope its not that test 400.

Yah, its 400. My last glute shot was a day ago and this one is not hurting much at all. My buddy is a pharmacist (a legal one) and he gave me 75mg tabs of APO DICLO SR. Its an anti-inflamitory. Not sure if those are abreviations but I took 1 tab 4 hours after the injection and every 5 hours since and Im all good. My last quad shot which was friday still hurts a bit and is very tight but I will try and push out a leg routine tonight.

Sorry to hear that so many of you have gone through this kind of experience, but thanx for the feedback

KOP

[MuscleScience]

Yeah That sucks ass had the same thing with me. I switched to two 1cc shots in each delt. still get pretty sore but only feel it if I bump something

[kamchez]

hey guys ..dont mean to hijack this thread ...but Im in the same situation here... almost ...

the thing is ..I just started my cycle (2 week) :
decabol - 375 mg /week
Test E - 500 mg W

I started this cycle even tho my libido / erections and my hpta were not back to normal (from my last cycle , dec/test) ... I really do not want to cope with the soft / limp dick issue ... I rather end the cycle now since I can do my workout without juice and still gain a few pounds until the summer.

I have nolva/clomid on hand ....and some liquid letro from a-research ... (1 year old tho does it matter? )

oh ..and I also have alot of test prop ... (I rather not order hcg/tongkat etc since I have clomid/nolva already and rather use them instead)

anyways .. what are your suggestions for a good PCT ! (I've made my decision to not go on with the cycle)

thanks (sorry for hijacking your trhread even tho your question probably got answered already

[Dog-Slime]

The research products have a shelf life of two years. I would run clomid at 100 mg ED for 1 week and then at 50 mg ED for 2nd week you could also use .25 mg of the letro ED. That should be good since you were only on for two weeks.

[axemurderer187]

Yah, its 400.KOP

there is your answer right there!

if survive this you'll be able to take anything.. haha

seriously T400 ****en sucks with the pain