Help me design an anti-estrogen

[Property of Steroid.com]

My next supplement will most likely be an anti-estrogen, for use either with MyoGenX, or just while on a cycle.

If you were designing a supplement (and this can really be almost any kind), for use on a cycle, what would it do ideally?

I know it's primarily going to lower estrogen, but what else would it do? Decrease SHBG? Elevate HDL? Lower LDL?

In other words, if you were to drop some coin on a supplement to use during a cycle, which would lower estrogen, what else would it do for you?

Keep in mind, typical research chems (AI's) hurt your cholesterol, etc, etc....

I don't want to compete with research chems, per se, but rather to create a supplement that would be worthwhile to use on a cycle, which REAL steroid users would actually buy, and which natural athletes would find complimentary with their MyoGenX.

Any ideas?

[MASTER]

Well a more powerful legal ai would be nice, the current ones on the market are so far away from adex and letro that its pointless even using them.

[perfectbeast2001]

lower estogen and also help with progesterone related sides, so it could be used with a test/deca cycle and be afffective for both compounds.

[vecchio82]

I would definitely like to see it lower estrogen. If you could get it to positively effect HDL/LDL levels it would be a breakthrough product. That combined with MyogenX would be unreal.
Also, as perfectbeast said, keeping progesterone in check would be a nice addition.

[Swifto]

Lower estrogen (but not to much, pehaps 60-70%).

Lower Prolactin.

Lower Progesterone.

Increase HDL.

Lower LDL.

No effect on Cholesterol.

Finally and most importantly, lower SHBG greatly.

Now that would be a supplement!

[Swifto]

How much does Aromasin decrease SHBG Anthony?

I dont think there is a real need for a new herbal product to decrease estrogen and other hormones, like SHBG.

I know everyone doesnt have access to AS. But combine a bit of Aromasin or Arimidex with low dose Proviron and you can lower estorgen and SHBG effectively IMHO. Unless this new herbel estrogen decreaser costs near to nothing. I dont see it working as well as somehting that increases LH with no negative effect (unless there's one undiscovered).

[chest6]

Lower estrogen (but not to much, pehaps 60-70%).

Lower Prolactin.

Lower Progesterone.

Increase HDL.

Lower LDL.

No effect on Cholesterol.

Finally and most importantly, lower SHBG greatly.

Now that would be a supplement!

lol I wish.

It would be nice if there could be a legal alternative to a great anti estrogren/estrogren protagonist. I don't think much of the ones that are available OTC right now. Don't think much of research chems either btw.

[Property of Steroid.com]

OK....I'LL SEE what I can come up with...

[AnabolicBoy1981]

boy this is gonna be tough. an Anti-estrogen that can be as effective but safer than the currants.
Well, personally, i have no cholesterol issues on adex. my brother does though big tim on letro.

Perhaps something that nails prolactin.
or somethin that nails progesterone, eithor or. Theres more anti-estrogens than anti-prolactins/progestins.

What id like to see maybe is an anti estrogen more like a SERM, that just "blocks" estrogen in the titties and hypothalmus, BUT does not proliferate progesterone receptors, or lower igf-1(or one of the two).
Personally i like the idea of supraphysiologic amounts of estrogen with my test for maximal growth. but it stinks if i cant use it with 19 nors.

i dunno.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I'm thinking, maybe something that has multiple ingredients, some acting as a SERM, some as an AI...

[goose]

An anti E that could be similar to Teslac would be cool,multiple attributes is the key.

[Property of Steroid.com]

An anti E that could be similar to Teslac would be cool,multiple attributes is the key.

Technically Teslac is a steroid, so that may not be possible.

Ideally, my anti-estrogen will:

1. Act as an AI
2. Act as a SERM
3. Improve Blood Lipids and other health markers
4. (*Maybe) lower SHBG

[bigsd67]

I know of some people that feel really emotional on clomid...maybe throw in an energy boost of some sort just to give a general sense of well being (similar to spike by biotest).

[vitor]

I like the idea of putting an Anti-E in Myogenx as 1 supplement.

Myogenx would be even more effective at increasing T-levels if the estrogen recepter in the scalp was blocked(as a SERM would do) from estrogen, as there will be increased aromatasion from yust using a test-booster alone...

Could put it in a new improved Myogenx if possible, and also as a stand-alone supplement.

[goose]

I would just like to make a comment to you.I got your myno genx and it`s great,a really classy product.This is the problem; its related to your European and british customers.Here in England we have value added Tax,when I got my 4x myo I had to pay just under 100$ tax !!!! They included the super fast expensive post,hence, the 100$ bill.I have been preaching to a number of guys about the amazing product,however,the tax bill has turned them away from Purchasing.

Lets take the example of lion,the guy thats sells research products on this board,he has taken consideration and the importance of the European market.I made an order over 150$,it arrived with no tax bill,on the parcel he states its not Commercial and does not post the price from outside,this tralates to no tax bill and the potential of repeat customers the most Important factor.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I would just like to make a comment to you.I got your myno genx and it`s great,a really classy product.This is the problem; its related to your European and british customers.Here in England we have value added Tax,when I got my 4x myo I had to pay just under 100$ tax !!!! They included the super fast expensive post,hence, the 100$ bill.I have been preaching to a number of guys about the amazing product,however,the tax bill has turned them away from Purchasing.

Lets take the example of lion,the guy thats sells research products on this board,he has taken consideration and the importance of the European market.I made an order over 150$,it arrived with no tax bill,on the parcel he states its not Commercial and does not post the price from outside,this tralates to no tax bill and the potential of repeat customers the most Important factor.

How about this:

I'm going to take your feedback and do a couple of things with it. Firstly, I'm going to talk to the people at PF and see what they can do to help bring the product into the EU market without killing people with the tax.

Secondly, I think that MyoGenX and my upcoming Anti-Estrogen will have to remain as seperate products (for cost purposes), BUT I will talk to PF and see if they'll allow me to do some kind of special Promotion where I'll be able to offer both products together to steroid.com members, at a reduced rate.

How does that sound?

Just like with my book, where I gathered feedback from hundreds (if not thousands) of members here to produce the best possible product, I'm going to really try in the upcoming months to gather feedback from you guys, and try to bring products to the market that we all WANT to see, and which we all WANT to use.

Lets make this a project everyone can be involved with...you guys figure out what you want to see in a product (i.e. what you want it to do), and I'll figure out some way to get the thing out there on the market.

[Swifto]

How about this:

I'm going to take your feedback and do a couple of things with it. Firstly, I'm going to talk to the people at PF and see what they can do to help bring the product into the EU market without killing people with the tax.

Secondly, I think that MyoGenX and my upcoming Anti-Estrogen will have to remain as seperate products (for cost purposes), BUT I will talk to PF and see if they'll allow me to do some kind of special Promotion where I'll be able to offer both products together to steroid.com members, at a reduced rate.

How does that sound?

Just like with my book, where I gathered feedback from hundreds (if not thousands) of members here to produce the best possible product, I'm going to really try in the upcoming months to gather feedback from you guys, and try to bring products to the market that we all WANT to see, and which we all WANT to use.

Lets make this a project everyone can be involved with...you guys figure out what you want to see in a product (i.e. what you want it to do), and I'll figure out some way to get the thing out there on the market.

Something that will make back to back cycles still be effective...

Now I'm dreaming.

[anabolicpower]

I am for the things chest6 mentioned. What i am mostly for is: 1) act as a serm and anti-e 2) lower progesterone levels so that it can be used both with 19-Nor derived and testosterone-derived steroids. 3) Not too expensive and easy obtainable on the legal market.
Good luck, hope you will keep us informed about it.

[guest589745]

lower estogen and also help with progesterone related sides, so it could be used with a test/deca cycle and be afffective for both compounds.

bingo. Caber/bromo aint cheap

[Property of Steroid.com]

I think I'm going to be able to design an anti-estrogen which acts as a SERM (like Nolvadex), an AI (Like Arimidex or Letrozole) and even lowers SHBG (like Aromasin)

[goose]

This time if you do design another good product like myogenx......Keep the ingredients secret if you can,but due to legal Reasons I dont think thats possible.

[Property of Steroid.com]

This time if you do design another good product like myogenx......Keep the ingredients secret if you can,but due to legal Reasons I dont think thats possible.

What I want to do here is design a good product that people will see the NEED to use during a cycle. Something that will help them with being an anti-estrogen, but can also do some good things that anti-estrogens typically are very bad for (immune function, blood lipids, etc...).

I think...if I make a good product, sales will come...I can't keep the ingredients secret, per se, but if it's a good product and we keep the manufacturing top notch, then it'll be the one that becomes a must-have kind of item for people trying to stay healthy and still get rid of estrogen on a cycle.

The problem with traditional AI's is that they're not too great for you health -wise...maybe I can come up with something that solves that problem.

That's all I can hope for I think...

[goose]

I was more Directing towards what has happened with MYO,in that other companys are mimicking MYO because they know the key ingredients; fadogia agrestis.If this was hidden it would be another story.I just feel sorry for you,you explore,then the industry steals.Welcome to capitalism!!!

I really looking forward to your fat burner,I read your article inferno,great read.

[Bryan2]

Is this going to be a new compound???

Or a mix of some that are out already?

is it going to be a steroidal AI?

[guest589745]

Can't you name the ingredients something else when they are put together? I know fat burners just call their stuff "Thermogenic compound" or someshit.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I was more Directing towards what has happened with MYO,in that other companys are mimicking MYO because they know the key ingredients; fadogia agrestis.If this was hidden it would be another story.I just feel sorry for you,you explore,then the industry steals.Welcome to capitalism!!!

I really looking forward to your fat burner,I read your article inferno,great read.

I appreciate the input....here's my honest thoughts on what happened with MyoGenX...

I think....my focus shouldn't be on trying to hide ingredients, or anything like that...

I'm trying to (bear with me here)....well, create a name, and a brand ....which people will want to support, and which offers some really cool products at the best price possible.

I think if I can come out with good products, and offer them at good prices, then people will stick with me and my brand instead of going to buy some other product which is ripping me off....

That's my thing right now...I realize I'll be ripped off by people, but I think it won't matter if I can treat all of my customers right and get them to be brand-loyal when it comes to this kind of thing....to stick with the original and trust that I'll put out a good product and price it below any others on the market.

[perfectbeast2001]

I would rather buy from the original and trusted brand than the companies that stole the idea.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Is this going to be a new compound???

Or a mix of some that are out already?

is it going to be a steroidal AI?

I don't know, man. I doubt that it's going to be a steroidal AI because I don't think that ATD is so hot honestly, and that's the main one on the market, Also, that AI doesn't fit my criteria...it isn't going to be great for blood lipids or make you healthier at all....I want an AI that I produce to make you healther, not make you feel like garbage.

It may be a mix of things which aren't really on the sports supplement radar right now, for the most part, and it may include something totally new....not 100% sure.

[StoneGRMI]

I've had someone tell me that they took an anti estrogen to help lose fat. They weren't on a cycle or anything but they took an anti estrogen. Any truth to it helping to lose fat?

[Property of Steroid.com]

CyoGenX.

[spywizard]

CyoGenX.

are we still looking at the end of feb??? or will it be sooner..

[Property of Steroid.com]

are we still looking at the end of feb??? or will it be sooner..

I'll be looking at labels on Monday, we bought the URL already, and 2/3rds of the formula has been sourced and purchased. We're waiting on the third ingredient, which is not currently found in any other product in the world.

[Schmidty]

lower estogen and also help with progesterone related sides, so it could be used with a test/deca cycle and be afffective for both compounds.

Thats what I was thinking