min dosage for DBOL

[lil-SLIM]

whats the minimum dosage u guys have succesfully run dbol at?

could it be run at 25mg ed succesfully or is that crap?

[goose]

whats the minimum dosage u guys have succesfully run dbol at?

could it be run at 25mg ed succesfully or is that crap?

Min dose is 20mg,you can get good results.I found you dont get any bloat.With lower doses it`s best to run it longer.6-8 weeks is good.

[Decoder]

Why would you want to go minimal? Dbol is a decent price to buy, why not do 45mg? is it the side effects your worried about?

[lil-SLIM]

nah just wondering cause I have 500mg left over from last cycle and didnt know what to do with em I suppose Ill just buy more

[Decoder]

I would do 45mg a week for 5 weeks.

[danamial]

What are your stats? If you have only done one or two cycles 25mg ed should give you good gains with a good diet, and should keep any sides from showing up. I would run it for 8-10 weeks as mentioned before.

[RobbieG]

What are your stats? If you have only done one or two cycles 25mg ed should give you good gains with a good diet, and should keep any sides from showing up. I would run it for 8-10 weeks as mentioned before.

??? 10 weeks of Dbol is not a good idea !

[Decoder]

and thats coming from a vet!!! geez.

[SMAN12b]

??? 10 weeks of Dbol is not a good idea !

10 weeks at a low dose like the VET suggested is FINE !!!

[RobbieG]

and thats coming from a vet!!! geez.

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10 weeks at a low dose like the VET suggested is FINE !!!

erhm.. Goose didn´t recommend 10 weeks.

6.. up to 8 weeks are okay .. I personally like the low dosage usage of dbol.. but 10 weeks are over the limit..

I've used myself dbol @ 15 mg for 6 weeks with really good results, specially while using exemest.. but I would not use it for 10 weeks.. and thats IMO for the reason that my liver values were all over the place. ( the bloodwork was performed in the 7th week)

[rrrozell]

start at 25mg daily if you need more then just up the dose. i would mot run it more then 4-5 weeks bc it is very toxic to the liver

[pwerfll1]

start at 25mg daily if you need more then just up the dose. i would mot run it more then 4-5 weeks bc it is very toxic to the liver

ull get some serious water bloat! i ran 50 mg ed bloated hard

[lil-SLIM]

ive done 50mg and didnt get too much bloat I was going to do 25mg for 3 weeks and try to get like 5 lbs outa a small kickstart but now considering just doing 50mg for 4 weeks again or just dropping it from my cycle completely

the cycle im attempting is a test cyp, winnie masteron cycle what do u think I could gain from this cycle? I want 10lbs and a better look and hardening

I was considering using the dbol to kickstart but now I might just leeve it out

[lil-SLIM]

I react real well to Dbol I gained like 5lbs every week I was on it! and my strength goes way up on it too

[bigrose]

I like dbol best at 30mg daily M-F for 6 wks. I think that gives the best gains with minimal sides and no problems. I love dbol. I seem to get a great feeling from it at a 30mg daily dose that I do not get at higher doses.

[stumbras]

I did 4 weeks 50mg a day but now big bloat or big gains, i used it once a day in the mornoing all 50 mg

[Cat316]

im taking 40mg per day now with great results...going to stick with 5 weeks

[goose]

Article by Bransholme

This article was originally intended to be a history of the anabolic steroid dianabol and it's usage in bodybuilding, but there is little real evidence of how it was used in previous decades. However, in the course of research, I have come to the conclusion that current use of dianabol as a supplement is not as efficient as it could be. Most of the modern thoughts on dianabol use reflect around myths and irrelevant scientific studies; this article attempts to explain new ways of thinking on dianabol usage using scientific evidence and people's experiences.
Dianabol (or dbol as it's commonly called) is one of the most commonly used oral steroids. Its chemical name is methanedienone or methandrostenolone and there are many different pharmaceutical and generic varieties including Anabol and Naposim. In this article we look at lower dose usage of dianabol as a supplement, as opposed to using pro-hormones or pro-steroids.
Liver Toxicity of Dianabol
The 17 alpha-alkylated properties of methanedienone do make it liver toxic, but this, I believe, is overstated as most of the evidence of its toxicity comes from studies on individuals and not from studies on large groups of dianabol-using bodybuilders. One study on rats (1) showed that regardless of dose or time of administration, dianabol produces changes in enzymatic activity, which leads to hypertrophy of hepatocytes; which basically shows that dianabol is toxic to the liver. But in another study (2) Nerobol (Russian Dianabol) was found to favour a rapid normalisation of functional and metabolic disorders of the liver, which contradicts the earlier evidence. This shows that the whole idea of dianabol being dangerous is in no way as bad as some would make out.
Benefits of Dianabol Use
Dianabol has been shown to increase anaerobic glycolysis (3), which increases lactic acid build up in the body. This is beneficial because lactic acid is used by the muscles to form glycogen, which in turn provides energy in anaerobic metabolism. Lactic acid is also a key chemical in the disposal of dietary carbohydrates, which means you are less likely to get fat while using dianabol.
A study on osteoporosis (4) showed that at a dosage of just 2.5mg per day for 9 months dianabol was more effective than calcium supplementation in reducing osteoporotic activity, it was also shown to increase muscle mass more effectively. Another study on osteoporosis (5) which lasted 24 months, showed just how dianabol works on osteoporosis; dianabol increased total body calcium, and also total body potassium. This may not mean much to you as a bodybuilder, but the actions of calcium are very important to bodybuilders, as it transports large numbers of amino acids and also creatine and these two things are vital in muscle growth. Potassium is also very important, as it assists in muscle contractions, transmitting nerve signals, and insulin release; so it is also a very anabolic substance.
One very interesting study (6), although not significant in bodybuilding terms, showed that dianabol increases the sensitivity of laryngeal tumour cells to radiotherapy, and concluded 'recommending this hormone to be used during radiotherapy of patients with the laryngeal cancer'.
How to Cycle Dianabol
To create a cycle for dianabol that is based around using it more as a supplement than a steroid, we first need to look at the current trend for cycling dianabol and analyse what is wrong with it. An average cycle of Dianabol is usually structured as 25-40mg split throughout each day for 4-6 weeks, either alone or stacked with other steroids.
Firstly a dose of 25mg or more commonly causes water retention. It is well known that dianabol does aromatise quite easily, and most of the water retention is usually attributed to a build up of excess estrogen. However, it is my belief that initially water retention is caused by the body holding on to water due to the effects of dianabol on the body's mineral balance, in particular the potassium/sodium balance. This coupled with the fact that dianabol cause estrogenic side effects, leads to a lot of water build-up, and as there is little we can do about the change in the bodies mineral balance, the only other thing we can do is try to reduce aromatisation, usually with Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or other anti-estrogens. This is not the only method though, by reducing the dose, less of the drug will aromatise, which leads to less estrogen and more importantly less water retention. Reducing the drug during a cycle would lead to estrogen levels dropping slowly, so we should start the cycle with a lower dose of 10-20mg each day.
Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone, it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.
Now if we look at cycle duration, 4-6 weeks seems too short to have any real effect at a low dose, but how can we use dianabol for longer without placing more risk on our liver? The solution is actually quite simple; by taking weekends off from the drug we will give our livers a break from processing the drug. Due to the short half-life any active substances will be out of our system within 24 hours of your last dose, now this may seem like it will cost you gains, but in actual fact it will cost you little or no losses in the long run as even though there is no active drug in the body the effects are still present i.e. extra intramuscular water, and a more anabolic mineral balance. These effects usually taper off over several days. This method will not however, help your natural testosterone to return from its inhibited state, as this process can take considerably longer. If we take weekends off and use a lower dose, we should in theory be able to use dianabol for 10 weeks with no problems. A simple bit of mathematics can show this point best:

• 6 weeks @25mg each day = 1050mg of Dianabol in total
• 10 weeks with weekends off @15mg each day = 750mg of Dianabol in total

So as you can see, by using this system your liver will actually process less dianabol than in a conventional cycle, add this to the fact that you can make gains for 10 weeks instead of 6, and with fewer side effects, and you get a very solid cycle.
Summary
This Cycle Theory can be applied in many different situations, for instance a beginner could use the dianabol on it's own for 10 weeks and gain very well. A more experienced steroid user could use this alongside an injectable cycle for very good gains too, getting the benefit of the initial quick gains of the Dianabol, with the slower but stronger gains of an injectable.
This cycle may seem to go against many of the current trends of dianabol use, but I believe that by using dianabol as a supplement to good training and nutrition you can make very good gains.
References

• Effects of methandrostenolone on liver morphology and enzymatic activity. Nesterin MF, Budik VM, Narodetskaia RV, Solov'eva GI, Stoianova VG.
• An experimental study of the hepatoprotective properties of phytoecdysteroids and Nerobol in carbon tetrachloride induce liver lesions. Syrov VN, Khushbaktova ZA, Nabiev AN.
• Effects of methanedienone (methandrostenolone) on energy processes and carbohydrate metabolism in rat liver cells. Serakovskii S, Mats'koviak Iu.
• Calcium, vitamin D and anabolic steroid treatment of aged bones: double-blind placebo-controlled long-term clinical trial. Inkovaara J, Gothoni G, Halttula R, Heikinheimo R, Tokola O.
• Changes in body composition following therapy of osteoporosis with methandrostenolone. Mann V, Benko AB, Kocsar LT.
• Radiomodifying effect of methandrostenolone on laryngeal cancer cells. Bordiushkov IuN, Kucherova TI, Kisliakova ND, Vagner VP, Zubkova TV.

[danamial]

I agree with goose here, d-bol at low doses for a longer period gave me better results than taking 50mg ed for 5 weeks. I had no bloat compared to the higher doses. The only thing missing from the a smaller dose is the feeling of being superman!