can human grade test be dosed over 200??

[nrobleski]

I was told that any test made in a reputable lab made for human use is not does over 200mg ml is this true???

[shredzs]

nope, sust 250, testoviron..ect

[nrobleski]

speaking of cyp and enth though...

[nrobleski]

anyone????

[Snrf]

yeah i seen pharm grade test e at 250mg/ml

[nalbano34]

I just had some guy mention something called T400, supposedly test E,cyp,and prop at 400mg total weight per ML. I called shenanigans!

[gixxerboy1]

yeah i seen pharm grade test e at 250mg/ml

+1 i've seen lots of test 250 for humans. Nothing higher though

[Snrf]

I just had some guy mention something called T400, supposedly test E,cyp,and prop at 400mg total weight per ML. I called shenanigans!

i've seen it for sale, its ugl though not pharm grade

[lzicc]

I have Human Grade test enanthate dosed at 300 mg/ml.

[CYP400]

that must pharmacy compounded, not really like schring or organon..250mg/ml is the most for any human real pharm company

[gixxerboy1]

I have Human Grade test enanthate dosed at 300 mg/ml.

Who makes it? I never seen or heard of it.

[Snrf]

that iranian stuff was 333mg/ml

[Benches505]

that iranian stuff was 333mg/ml

One good batch was. I hope they are consistent

[gixxerboy1]

that iranian stuff was 333mg/ml

I forgot about them Weren't they labeled a lower dose and tested 333?

[jagdpanther]

I was told that any test made in a reputable lab made for human use is not does over 200mg ml is this true???

Sorry bro but the idea of human grade sounds retarded to me. Its either sterile and safe to use (solvents, and their ratios) or it is not. Anything I wouldn't use myself I would not give to an animal.

Just wonderring who told you this and what was the source of their information. Is there any scientific reason behind not going over 200mg/ml?
I've never heard of one.

I can see why a lab that works legally wouldn't need togo over 200mg/ml,
as most legit trt programs run around 150mg/ml week. Even in studies I've seen the upper end was 600mg/week - what is 3ml per week? nothing.

If anything the 200-300mg/ml range is just to look legit. i can't think of any health reason not to go higher.

[gixxerboy1]

Sorry bro but the idea of human grade sounds retarded to me. Its either sterile and safe to use (solvents, and their ratios) or it is not. Anything I wouldn't use myself I would not give to an animal.

Just wonderring who told you this and what was the source of their information. Is there any scientific reason behind not going over 200mg/ml?
I've never heard of one.

I can see why a lab that works legally wouldn't need togo over 200mg/ml,
as most legit trt programs run around 150mg/ml week. Even in studies I've seen the upper end was 600mg/week - what is 3ml per week? nothing.

If anything the 200-300mg/ml range is just to look legit. i can't think of any health reason not to go higher.

How about pain. also stability of the product also.

Why would you need any higher mg's?

[jagdpanther]

My standard test e is 300mg/ml 3%BA,20% BB never had it crash and never had any pain from it. i made tren E @ 342mg/ml (that was as much pwdr as i had) using 3%BA,20%BB, not sure I needed it but based on a friends personal experiance I added 3% guaiacol for good measure never had any pain and it hasn't crashed. I won't use anything that severly dibilitates my work out for several days - so i'm not into making painful gear.

Two main reasons I make higher concentration gear:

1)I'm into running several steroids at a time - with usually at least two or three short esters, I do ED injections not EOD for stability of hormone levels in my blood. The higher the concentrations the smaller the injection volume.
of course with short esters the ceiling is lower. I have yet to make 200mg/ml test prop that is painless.

2) Hormone concentraion effects the rate of release of the hormone in the system. The higher the concentration, the higher the rate of release.Yes this is from a scientific study not from hersay.

[nrobleski]

I was informed that anything over 200mg ballpark range is where a normal solution becomes supersaturated persae and can not safely hold anymore test,,the reason for oversaturating for ug labs is so they can claim its higher dosed than it really is. This info is coming from a competitive canadian bodybuilder with friends who have the ability or minds to figure this shit out for real, lab nerds if you will...So I dont know I mean I'm asking just as much as everybody else, he claims most labs claim 250 but only end up somewhere around 20% less as they lose that much test during production, now by varying the solution they claim they best they can get is just above 200mg per ml, which is also what our pharm labs in china also claim,...I mean if they throw 200 on the bottle and are underscoring themselves I would be suprised,,,like its said somewhere on this site "why make a fake dollar bill when you can make fake twenties",,,I'm sure they could throw 300mg or whatever but this is what they claim and this is what the nerds concurred so I was just looking for some input..

[nrobleski]

I also see the results these monsters have by taking this 200mg stuff,, they claim the most they use is around a gram a week, some fo them also make a lot of the canadian gear that gets a good rap on here yet they dont even use their own shit, they swear by this 200mg chinese stuff, so I'm gonna pay the $20 extra and give er a go...

[jagdpanther]

I don't sell gear and have no interest in fabricating numbers. i can tell you from personal experiance that 200mg/ml is no where near the limit for long esters - although the upper limit is ***endent on the amounts and types of solvents and the particular ester you are working.

Go check a few home lab forums on this site and others and you will see that 200mg/ml is pretty low for long esters. By the way most labs will try and save some cake on solvents to reduce the price - this does limit the upper range.

[Valac]

200mg is low for long esters, 400-500mg is pretty good strenght for long esters but anythin over 500mg u might have a lil trouble gettin it to hold, so there is no reason why they cant be made at 300-400mg/ml w/o any troubles what so ever

[lzicc]

I get it through the HRT company that I use. It comes from US pharmacy.

Who makes it? I never seen or heard of it.

[Snrf]

I was informed that anything over 200mg ballpark range is where a normal solution becomes supersaturated persae and can not safely hold anymore test,,the reason for oversaturating for ug labs is so they can claim its higher dosed than it really is. This info is coming from a competitive canadian bodybuilder with friends who have the ability or minds to figure this shit out for real, lab nerds if you will...So I dont know I mean I'm asking just as much as everybody else, he claims most labs claim 250 but only end up somewhere around 20% less as they lose that much test during production, now by varying the solution they claim they best they can get is just above 200mg per ml, which is also what our pharm labs in china also claim,...I mean if they throw 200 on the bottle and are underscoring themselves I would be suprised,,,like its said somewhere on this site "why make a fake dollar bill when you can make fake twenties",,,I'm sure they could throw 300mg or whatever but this is what they claim and this is what the nerds concurred so I was just looking for some input..

i've made stuff hold at 350mg/ml just fine, the upper range for long esters is somewhere around 600mg ml, esp for EQ

[CYP400]

stuff you get from a hrt pharmacy is pharmacy compounded(probably made by them) so that is why it is higher, no real pharma company(organon,schering,syntex, norma, galenika etc.) has ever made anything over 250mg/ml, yes some were over dosed but they aim for 250mg/ml, it doesn't matter what you can do in your"lab" we are talking about real pharma companies that produce steroids

[Snrf]

stuff you get from a hrt pharmacy is pharmacy compounded(probably made by them) so that is why it is higher, no real pharma company(organon,schering,syntex, norma, galenika etc.) has ever made anything over 250mg/ml, yes some were over dosed but they aim for 250mg/ml, it doesn't matter what you can do in your"lab" we are talking about real pharma companies that produce steroids

Yes I know and we've covered that. If you read the part I quoted his friend told him that the upper range for making anything hold is 200mg/ml...so I was responding to that

[CYP400]

oh np mate,just wanted to make that clear,

[skipp]

We only carry 200 & 300mg/mL in the pharmacy I work at.. I've never seen, nor have had access to higher (US Companies); although there might some.

[nrobleski]

300 from a reputable lab ??? you dont work in mexico do u

[cookiemonstR]

I was told that any test made in a reputable lab made for human use is not does over 200mg ml is this true???

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Ya i just picked some up not to long ago, dosed at 250 mg's

[nrobleski]

yeah so I hear 250 seems to be the highest,,wonder if the lab nerds were right though saying that 250mg is what it is dosed at b4 loses and pharm will put that on because thats what pharms do, they are there to make money like anybody else and can get away with puting 250 on label...

[Snrf]

yeah so I hear 250 seems to be the highest,,wonder if the lab nerds were right though saying that 250mg is what it is dosed at b4 loses and pharm will put that on because thats what pharms do, they are there to make money like anybody else and can get away with puting 250 on label...

its the highest because thats the highest needed for legitimate Medical uses.

not because its the highest possible.

[jagdpanther]

yeah so I hear 250 seems to be the highest,,wonder if the lab nerds were right though saying that 250mg is what it is dosed at b4 loses and pharm will put that on because thats what pharms do, they are there to make money like anybody else and can get away with puting 250 on label...

Bro you are talking with people that get raw powder just like the pharmacies.
Actually many homebrewers will use solvents that are better then what the pharmacies use.

I brew my own gear and as i pointed out in the pm i sent u 26grams of powder would show up some place it just doesn't disappear. If you new anything about the process - when you heat a solution that is borderline supersaturated all the powder disolves. - When it cools it crashes - it comes out of solution and usually forms crystals. All of the powder is accounted for it does not just disappear.
your BB friend from canada either misunderstood his lab nerd friends or they need to go back to school.

Actually i know it has to be one of those two answers because your bb friend should have specified that maximum concentration ***ends on the solvents, the ester, temp, and to a degree the base steroid itself.

[nrobleski]

so what are the crystals??

[1buffsob]

so what are the crystals??

A certain portion of the hormone that isn't able to go into solution. Couple reasons for that. Typically the recipe is wrong, usually not enough solvent and/or too much hormone for the capacities of the oils/solvents used.

***ending on the hormone used, along with the oil/solvents, you can easily make gear upwards of 5-600mg per ml. The only reason pharm companies don't dose gear that high is because medical practices don't warrant such large dosages.

[jagdpanther]

A certain portion of the hormone that isn't able to go into solution. Couple reasons for that. Typically the recipe is wrong, usually not enough solvent and/or too much hormone for the capacities of the oils/solvents used.

***ending on the hormone used, along with the oil/solvents, you can easily make gear upwards of 5-600mg per ml. The only reason pharm companies don't dose gear that high is because medical practices don't warrant such large dosages.

Exaclty!

[jagdpanther]

I'm not trying to pick on you nronbleski. Its just that a lot of people read these posts and I'd hate to see more rumors or myths spread about steroids. I was Lucky when I started using because I did a lot of research on my own before starting. Had I just listened to my lifting partner who had been using for ten years - but learned everything on myths I would be all messed up. He didn't know about AIs - it was a concern for me as I was gyno prone, he thought the only way to take tren was by eating finaplex - really the list goes on and on. He had no clue what esters did. At this point i still don't think he understands that much but he knows i know a lot more then him so now he asks me to set up his cycles for him - which actually is pretty basic. Not that i'm some sort of guru, I don't know as much as many people who have been at the game a lot longer then me. I still frequenlty ask questions.

I'd just like to get this straightened out before some people who don't know all the details start spreading more rumors.

[Jon0489]

like they said theres a certain point where you get the hormone collecting on the bottom because of a too high of a concentration , but it has to be around 350-450 that this would happen, my buddy makes his dosed at 350 no problem

[kynetguy]

2) Hormone concentraion effects the rate of release of the hormone in the system. The higher the concentration, the higher the rate of release.Yes this is from a scientific study not from hersay.

Not true. The release RATE is the same. You just have more of it in your system to release. But mL to ml the rate of release is the same.

Sorry, I have a thing for details.

[jagdpanther]

Not true. The release RATE is the same. You just have more of it in your system to release. But mL to ml the rate of release is the same.

Sorry, I have a thing for details.

If I'm wrong please point it out as it only helps me better understand. I think I either did a poor job of explaining myself in the 2nd statement or u misunderstood. I'm basing my statement on the following data.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/90/5/2624



If you look at the second graph - 4ml ND in gluteal and compare it to 1ml Nd in glutes(3rd graph) and 1ml ND in deltoid (4th graph) it looks to me like the 4ml ND does not attain the same pinnacle and its rate of decay or the slope of the decrease is not as steep as the two 1ml injections. looks to me like the hormone is being absorbed or de-esterfied at a faster rate with the higher 1ml concentrations.

This is from the materials and methods section:
In this stratum, volunteers received either nandrolone phenylpropionate (Durabolin; Organon) (group 1) or nandrolone decanoate (DecaDurabolin; Organon) (group 2), administered as a single deep i.m. injection of 100 mg nandrolone ester into a single injection site (gluteal) in a fixed volume (4 ml of arachis oil vehicle). In the second stratum, a single ester (nandrolone decanoate) with fixed dose (100 mg) and volume (1 ml of arachis oil vehicle) was injected into two different sites, gluteal (group 3) or deltoid (group 4) muscles. This design also allowed comparison between different injection volumes (4 ml vs. 1 ml) for a single nandrolone ester with fixed dose and injection site (i.e., group 2 vs. group 3).
So one can see the dose of 100mg was fixed and the volume was one of the variables - meaning the concentration. Don't think the differance is enough to significanlty change the half life but the rate of release is different.

Science is not my profession so if I misinterpreted this please explain. Hell even if science were my profession - please explain as i'd rather be wrong and know the right answer then think I'm right and use the wrong answer.